Obvious Observations and Ramifications of the NBA Scandal(s)

[DGenBen]

Anyone looking for a new .sig file?

May I suggest:

"Not only was nobody's ass in my mouth last night, but nobody's ass has EVER been in my mouth. NEVER! Not once!"

Maybe Rob slipped up and inadvertantly gave us the secret to the longetivity of his marriage. (And no - not based on how desperate his wife is.)

Redietz - What does this have to do with LV? What were you going on about anyway?

Redietz - you are insane. You started a whole thread that said nothing outside of being a failed attempt at insulting the rest of the board. Everyone knows what you do. Just like always.

Redietz - As far as this story and who knows what and this and that - I know a few things beyond what you're thinking. I'm pretty certain Degenben knows what I am referencing and might even know a few other little tidbits that aren't obvious to you. But we both know it isn't worth the effort trying to explain it to you, ol ditz.

I know exactly what you are referencing & I can’t believe Redietz doesn’t see it

It is so obvious that as I was reading this thread even my dog saw it & started barking & pawing at that part of the screen

[kewlJ]

This story involves people making bets on inside information involving fixed prop bets. Las Vegas being Las Vegas, of course some wagers were made in Las Vegas. BUT the vast majority of them were made at off shore books. The second part to the story involves professional athletes or ex-professional athletes setting up poker games that were fixed, using all these different cheating methods. These games were set up all over the country, Most in the New York City area, but at least 1 in Miami, one or more in the Pacific Northwest and one or more in Las Vegas. They were after degenerate gamblers for these games, so of course some games were set up in Las Vegas. You would think Southern California as well, although I haven't seen it mentioned.

BUT the bottom line is that this is NOT a Las Vegas gambling story or scandal as redietz seems to be implying. And I have seen no mention of "the Las Vegas" mob that Redeitz likes to talk about. Didn't he claim he has a girlfriend from a Las Vegas mob family? IIRC, he threatened me with that at one point.

Look, this redeitz poster (Bob Dietz) is a tout. He is NOT a professional gambler (AP). He is NOT a professional sports bettor as he claimed for many years. He is or was a TOUT, selling sports picks. And that required him to spend some time in Las Vegas where he found these "clients or marks". Hence the "100 days a year in Vegas" comments.

The guys lives in East Bumblefuck (Bumble) Tennessee, in hillbilly land Appalachia, NOT Las Vegas. What does THAT tell you? And about this 100-days-a-year in Vegas claim, lately he seems to take 2-3, 3 to 4 night trips to Vegas a year, just like many tourists/degen gamblers and isn't even spending 100 days. So enough about this clown and his Las Vegas expertise. If he wants to share the breaking News from East Bumblefuck Tennessee, he can. I don't see him and his journalism degree as qualified for anything more.

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Now I do live in Las Vegas....365 days a year. (less a couple weeks on out of town trips I guess). I don't claim to know everything that happens or is going on in Vegas. Dan Druff seems to like to keep up on that and that is fine. Nothing wrong with that. What I make it my business to know and learn are things involving the specific AP plays I engage in.

And the only part of this story that I see that is even slightly related to what I do is some of the talk about the rigged shuffle machines and how easy it is to hack them and take control of them. Believe me, that isn't new to me, I discussed that, along with some personal incidents, years ago. I think I said 5 years ago earlier, but it has been longer, probably 7-8 now. Absolutely nothing new about these shuffle machines and the ability to rig games. That is old news. I am not saying, nor have I ever said that every shuffle machine in every casino is rigged. But they have that ability (which they never should have had) and I know from experience of several cases where a few were rigged for at least a short period.

End of story, except of course updates, from the know-it-all in East Bumblefuck Tennessee.

[kewlJ]

Not every AP or professional gambler lives in Las Vegas. Some don't even play Las Vegas. But of those that play Vegas and spend time here (like 100 days), they either live in Las Vegas or maintain a second residence here, like Munchkin, Wong and others did. I have never heard of a professional player spending 4 months in Vegas a year and living in those cheap weekly places for 40 years like Redietz did. Again....what does that tell you?

Edit: You know what...there was a professional player that stayed in the weeklys for a short time when he moved to Las Vegas. I had forgotten about Zenking. But he had some specific issues, like lack of credit (not necessarily bad, just no credit) which prevented him from renting a regular apartment. So he stayed in weeklys for a period until he got things straightened out and then moved to a regular (I am told nice) apartment.

But that is a little different than a guy that spent 100 days a year in Vegas living in weeklys for decades.

[accountinquestion]

Livin' in the weeklies builds character IMO.

Trust me.

[AxelWolf]

Livin' in the weeklies builds character IMO.

Trust me.

The Harbors Island off of Harmon's way back in the early 90s was actually a pretty nice place, beautiful pool, hot tubs, workout center, and well-kept grounds.

Throughout the years, I stayed at the weekly places on and off many times. I can't recall ever having a problem. But yeah, they all became pretty sketchy overall.

[redietz]

Livin' in the weeklies builds character IMO.

Trust me.

The Harbors Island off of Harmon's way back in the early 90s was actually a pretty nice place, beautiful pool, hot tubs, workout center, and well-kept grounds.

Throughout the years, I stayed at the weekly places on and off many times. I can't recall ever having a problem. But yeah, they all became pretty sketchy overall.

First of all, the only reason Axelwolf has any idea where I have stayed is because I have made the occasional self-deprecating comment. That isn't me being too dumb to protect my image; that's me being funny.

I stayed at Harbor Islands for a few seasons. I also stayed at the large Budget Suites directly behind the Stardust for a number of years, which was actually nicer than Harbor Islands -- better apartments, better workout center, nicer pools, tennis courts, and populated by the girls working the clubs on what is now Dean Martin. I also stayed at the Convention Center Lodge, directly across the strip from the Stardust, which was nice and had a clientele that, these days, would be hosting poker games, if you get my drift. I spent some seasons rotating between downtown casinos -- El Cortez, Plaza, what was the Holiday Inn, and yes, the occasional Gold Spike weekend. To my eternal credit, I even stayed (twice) a couple of days at The Western. Builds character. I stopped doing that after the morning I woke to the maids yelling, "Look at all that blood!" outside my door. I walked outside -- yep, lots of blood. I had slept through it. LOL. Oh well.

If you want to look at these places, which were not dives except for The Western (which was worse than a dive), just find some strip-driving videos from the 90's on YouTube. The Convention Center Lodge is directly across the street from the Stardust.

My first year in LV, I shared a two-bedroom apartment in the Harmon area with a guy who worked security at two clubs. He was a Karate Kid kind of guy -- had been training in martial arts since he was four or five (I saw the photos). He was a black ninja and could do things physically that were unbelievable. I remember walking out of our apartment, which was on the second floor, and he nonchalantly vaulted over the second floor railing and landed on the sidewalk below without halfway bending his knees. He just did it like you or I would jump off a step. Then he waited for me to make it down the stairs. Great stuff living with him. After that, I got my own place each year.

Here's what staying in Las Vegas a hundred days a year tells you. I am what I say -- a college football specialist who spent 100 days a year in Las Vegas and left when the college season was done (Thanksgiving). About 85% of my wagering each year was college football. I'm not some gamble-holic addict thinking he has an edge where there is none. I had no interest in blackjack, slots, table games, and "AP" types of survival. I had minimal interest in trying to conquer everything because I'm not some gamble-holic, and I don't presume I can beat sports 99.9% of other people are not beating. My wife was pursuing a double doctorate at Penn State, so I left LV after my hundred-day stint each year.

The only casino games I played were video poker during the Dancer heyday. Sports comps had been dramatically cut, so I played five or six hours of video poker each week to explore what kinds of meals and comps I could get. I made a marginal amount of money while accruing a couple of meals each week and a dozen to two dozen comped nights at Boyd each year.

See, this is how real human beings who are not gamble-holics conduct themselves. They do what they are good at, then go do something else.

I can't believe people would actually criticize me for this. This forum is run by a poker player. Tens of thousands of poker players follow this blueprint every year for the WSOP.

[Rob.Singer]

This story involves people making bets on inside information involving fixed prop bets. Las Vegas being Las Vegas, of course some wagers were made in Las Vegas. BUT the vast majority of them were made at off shore books. The second part to the story involves professional athletes or ex-professional athletes setting up poker games that were fixed, using all these different cheating methods. These games were set up all over the country, Most in the New York City area, but at least 1 in Miami, one or more in the Pacific Northwest and one or more in Las Vegas. They were after degenerate gamblers for these games, so of course some games were set up in Las Vegas. You would think Southern California as well, although I haven't seen it mentioned.

BUT the bottom line is that this is NOT a Las Vegas gambling story or scandal as redietz seems to be implying. And I have seen no mention of "the Las Vegas" mob that Redeitz likes to talk about. Didn't he claim he has a girlfriend from a Las Vegas mob family? IIRC, he threatened me with that at one point.

Look, this redeitz poster (Bob Dietz) is a tout. He is NOT a professional gambler (AP). He is NOT a professional sports bettor as he claimed for many years. He is or was a TOUT, selling sports picks. And that required him to spend some time in Las Vegas where he found these "clients or marks". Hence the "100 days a year in Vegas" comments.

The guys lives in East Bumblefuck (Bumble) Tennessee, in hillbilly land Appalachia, NOT Las Vegas. What does THAT tell you? And about this 100-days-a-year in Vegas claim, lately he seems to take 2-3, 3 to 4 night trips to Vegas a year, just like many tourists/degen gamblers and isn't even spending 100 days. So enough about this clown and his Las Vegas expertise. If he wants to share the breaking News from East Bumblefuck Tennessee, he can. I don't see him and his journalism degree as qualified for anything more.

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Now I do live in Las Vegas....365 days a year. (less a couple weeks on out of town trips I guess). I don't claim to know everything that happens or is going on in Vegas. Dan Druff seems to like to keep up on that and that is fine. Nothing wrong with that. What I make it my business to know and learn are things involving the specific AP plays I engage in.

And the only part of this story that I see that is even slightly related to what I do is some of the talk about the rigged shuffle machines and how easy it is to hack them and take control of them. Believe me, that isn't new to me, I discussed that, along with some personal incidents, years ago. I think I said 5 years ago earlier, but it has been longer, probably 7-8 now. Absolutely nothing new about these shuffle machines and the ability to rig games. That is old news. I am not saying, nor have I ever said that every shuffle machine in every casino is rigged. But they have that ability (which they never should have had) and I know from experience of several cases where a few were rigged for at least a short period.

End of story, except of course updates, from the know-it-all in East Bumblefuck Tennessee.

Kew, you've never learned that the less you say, the better.

When it takes multiple posts and a thousand words where you try to convince others you know what you're talking about, it's a sure sign that you're making things up on the go. You're simply not educated enough or experienced enough to do it correctly.

And you wonder why there's so many quotes about you and your bullshitting ways floating around.....and why you have the need to call every kew-slayer a bully and a troll.

[smurgerburger]

Redietz -

It's not your choice of accomodations that causes people to not respect you.

[accountinquestion]

Livin' in the weeklies builds character IMO.

Trust me.

The Harbors Island off of Harmon's way back in the early 90s was actually a pretty nice place, beautiful pool, hot tubs, workout center, and well-kept grounds.

Throughout the years, I stayed at the weekly places on and off many times. I can't recall ever having a problem. But yeah, they all became pretty sketchy overall.

First of all, the only reason Axelwolf has any idea where I have stayed is because I have made the occasional self-deprecating comment. That isn't me being too dumb to protect my image; that's me being funny.

I stayed at Harbor Islands for a few seasons. I also stayed at the large Budget Suites directly behind the Stardust for a number of years, which was actually nicer than Harbor Islands -- better apartments, better workout center, nicer pools, tennis courts, and populated by the girls working the clubs on what is now Dean Martin. I also stayed at the Convention Center Lodge, directly across the strip from the Stardust, which was nice and had a clientele that, these days, would be hosting poker games, if you get my drift. I spent some seasons rotating between downtown casinos -- El Cortez, Plaza, what was the Holiday Inn, and yes, the occasional Gold Spike weekend. To my eternal credit, I even stayed (twice) a couple of days at The Western. Builds character. I stopped doing that after the morning I woke to the maids yelling, "Look at all that blood!" outside my door. I walked outside -- yep, lots of blood. I had slept through it. LOL. Oh well.

If you want to look at these places, which were not dives except for The Western (which was worse than a dive), just find some strip-driving videos from the 90's on YouTube. The Convention Center Lodge is directly across the street from the Stardust.

My first year in LV, I shared a two-bedroom apartment in the Harmon area with a guy who worked security at two clubs. He was a Karate Kid kind of guy -- had been training in martial arts since he was four or five (I saw the photos). He was a black ninja and could do things physically that were unbelievable. I remember walking out of our apartment, which was on the second floor, and he nonchalantly vaulted over the second floor railing and landed on the sidewalk below without halfway bending his knees. He just did it like you or I would jump off a step. Then he waited for me to make it down the stairs. Great stuff living with him. After that, I got my own place each year.

Here's what staying in Las Vegas a hundred days a year tells you. I am what I say -- a college football specialist who spent 100 days a year in Las Vegas and left when the college season was done (Thanksgiving). About 85% of my wagering each year was college football. I'm not some gamble-holic addict thinking he has an edge where there is none. I had no interest in blackjack, slots, table games, and "AP" types of survival. I had minimal interest in trying to conquer everything because I'm not some gamble-holic, and I don't presume I can beat sports 99.9% of other people are not beating. My wife was pursuing a double doctorate at Penn State, so I left LV after my hundred-day stint each year.

The only casino games I played were video poker during the Dancer heyday. Sports comps had been dramatically cut, so I played five or six hours of video poker each week to explore what kinds of meals and comps I could get. I made a marginal amount of money while accruing a couple of meals each week and a dozen to two dozen comped nights at Boyd each year.

See, this is how real human beings who are not gamble-holics conduct themselves. They do what they are good at, then go do something else.

I can't believe people would actually criticize me for this. This forum is run by a poker player. Tens of thousands of poker players follow this blueprint every year for the WSOP.

I don't think many people are following Todd's "blueprint"


All those wsop geeks are about bracelets of which Todd has won 1. No slight to him but it was so long ago this doesn't put him on the radar. You know so little about poker. Stop it. The other day when this broke I was playing and hadn't seen the news but the game I was in was a green chip game and one of the few pros at this private game had direct experience with this shit. I didn't quite catch it. Only thing the dude said for most of the night.

Your obsession with lowlife aka gangsters is pathetic at your age.

Your insecurities aimed at APs is clearly insurmountable for you in this life time.

For the umpteenth time, stick with your stories and you'll be more respected. Your constant need to turn everything into an insult is just lol.

[AxelWolf]

Livin' in the weeklies builds character IMO.

Trust me.

The Harbors Island off of Harmon's way back in the early 90s was actually a pretty nice place, beautiful pool, hot tubs, workout center, and well-kept grounds.

Throughout the years, I stayed at the weekly places on and off many times. I can't recall ever having a problem. But yeah, they all became pretty sketchy overall.

First of all, the only reason Axelwolf has any idea where I have stayed is because I have made the occasional self-deprecating comment. That isn't me being too dumb to protect my image; that's me being funny.

Don't flatter yourself, Bro, my comment had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with you, I don't even remember you ever saying you stayed there.

I lived there MYSELF when I was about 20-21 years old (I take it you were much older than that when you stayed at those places) for about 6 to 8 months. I also stayed at the one next to the Frontier and Stardust for a short time as well.



I came to Vegas Via a Greyhound bus when I was 18 with less than $300 in my pocket from the sale of my blown 1970 Chevy Nova. I moved around to different places many times in Las Vegas. I would say there have been more than 20 different places that I have lived in Vegas. Oftentimes, I didn't have a choice; I just took the cheapest, most convenient thing I possibly could as I was living paycheck to paycheck until I got into Advantage Play. I had no safety net.

I lived on 1st and Bonneville, Cason and 11th, The Katie Arms apartments on Twain and Swenson, 13th Street and Mayland Parkway, and in the Naked City. At the time, I didn't think those places were that bad; it's not like I was able to get into the safety of my car and drive away, as I didn't have a vehicle at the time, therefore, I walked or rode my bike everywhere.

Perhaps it was just ignorant bliss, but I didn't think those places were all that bad at the time and I never seemed to have an issue at the places I lived or in the neighborhoods. During my younger years in Vegas, I was almost never home anyway. I used my house to sleep, shower, shave, and fuck. Other than that, I was either out working, chasing tail, shooting pool, or hanging out with friends and then chasing more tail.

[redietz]

The Harbors Island off of Harmon's way back in the early 90s was actually a pretty nice place, beautiful pool, hot tubs, workout center, and well-kept grounds.

Throughout the years, I stayed at the weekly places on and off many times. I can't recall ever having a problem. But yeah, they all became pretty sketchy overall.

First of all, the only reason Axelwolf has any idea where I have stayed is because I have made the occasional self-deprecating comment. That isn't me being too dumb to protect my image; that's me being funny.

I stayed at Harbor Islands for a few seasons. I also stayed at the large Budget Suites directly behind the Stardust for a number of years, which was actually nicer than Harbor Islands -- better apartments, better workout center, nicer pools, tennis courts, and populated by the girls working the clubs on what is now Dean Martin. I also stayed at the Convention Center Lodge, directly across the strip from the Stardust, which was nice and had a clientele that, these days, would be hosting poker games, if you get my drift. I spent some seasons rotating between downtown casinos -- El Cortez, Plaza, what was the Holiday Inn, and yes, the occasional Gold Spike weekend. To my eternal credit, I even stayed (twice) a couple of days at The Western. Builds character. I stopped doing that after the morning I woke to the maids yelling, "Look at all that blood!" outside my door. I walked outside -- yep, lots of blood. I had slept through it. LOL. Oh well.

If you want to look at these places, which were not dives except for The Western (which was worse than a dive), just find some strip-driving videos from the 90's on YouTube. The Convention Center Lodge is directly across the street from the Stardust.

My first year in LV, I shared a two-bedroom apartment in the Harmon area with a guy who worked security at two clubs. He was a Karate Kid kind of guy -- had been training in martial arts since he was four or five (I saw the photos). He was a black ninja and could do things physically that were unbelievable. I remember walking out of our apartment, which was on the second floor, and he nonchalantly vaulted over the second floor railing and landed on the sidewalk below without halfway bending his knees. He just did it like you or I would jump off a step. Then he waited for me to make it down the stairs. Great stuff living with him. After that, I got my own place each year.

Here's what staying in Las Vegas a hundred days a year tells you. I am what I say -- a college football specialist who spent 100 days a year in Las Vegas and left when the college season was done (Thanksgiving). About 85% of my wagering each year was college football. I'm not some gamble-holic addict thinking he has an edge where there is none. I had no interest in blackjack, slots, table games, and "AP" types of survival. I had minimal interest in trying to conquer everything because I'm not some gamble-holic, and I don't presume I can beat sports 99.9% of other people are not beating. My wife was pursuing a double doctorate at Penn State, so I left LV after my hundred-day stint each year.

The only casino games I played were video poker during the Dancer heyday. Sports comps had been dramatically cut, so I played five or six hours of video poker each week to explore what kinds of meals and comps I could get. I made a marginal amount of money while accruing a couple of meals each week and a dozen to two dozen comped nights at Boyd each year.

See, this is how real human beings who are not gamble-holics conduct themselves. They do what they are good at, then go do something else.

I can't believe people would actually criticize me for this. This forum is run by a poker player. Tens of thousands of poker players follow this blueprint every year for the WSOP.

I don't think many people are following Todd's "blueprint"


All those wsop geeks are about bracelets of which Todd has won 1. No slight to him but it was so long ago this doesn't put him on the radar. You know so little about poker. Stop it. The other day when this broke I was playing and hadn't seen the news but the game I was in was a green chip game and one of the few pros at this private game had direct experience with this shit. I didn't quite catch it. Only thing the dude said for most of the night.

Your obsession with lowlife aka gangsters is pathetic at your age.

Your insecurities aimed at APs is clearly insurmountable for you in this life time.

For the umpteenth time, stick with your stories and you'll be more respected. Your constant need to turn everything into an insult is just lol.

This is account's response because he didn't spend 30 seconds (his usual investigative investment) googling about La Cosa's current Las Vegas presence.

So, let me pin you down, genius. Are the "gangsters" considered "lowlifes" because they were caught currently (as in "recently") scamming seven million or whatever from folks, or are they "lowlifes" because they aren't operating at a high enough income/sophistication level for your tastes? Or are they "lowlifes" because they are smarter than you and yours?

Don't be shy, account. I'm sure if these guys funneled seven million trackable current dollars from these games, the actual figures stretching back years would be significantly more robust. So how do you define "lowlifes?" They probably dress better than you, own more than you, understand gambling better than you, make more money than you, and are more educated than you. So my only conclusion is that you are making a very curious and self-serving value judgement.

Far be it from account to be a "lowlife." He's just trying to do to casinos what these guys did to their wealthy marks. Only they were successful for years. And made more money than account. And likely dress better. And likely eat better. And likely have more money. And...you get the picture.

Welcome to the Jungle, genius.

[The Boz]

You know what my take from this is, granted I knew it for years about them?

There are multiple people here that have made successful lives for themselves here through mostly AP in their own way. Axel, Mickey, RED, KJ, Druff and a few others have done it from semi different backgrounds, but did it through hard work, learning, listening and discipline. I understand the trolling and arguing but it’s hard to argue with the fact that they live and lived life their own way and seem to have enjoyed the freedom it gave them. I would never argue they didn’t work as hard as those who had “regular” jobs in life and hang out here. To me their lives and career choices are something to be celebrated, not degraded.

In fact as far as I know there is only one person here who was handed almost everything in life and seems to be the one most upset that no one legitimately respects or believes him. And yes, Singer doesn’t believe most of what the guy claims either, even if he uses him as a useful dupe in his attacks on KJ.

Peace everyone.

[redietz]

The Harbors Island off of Harmon's way back in the early 90s was actually a pretty nice place, beautiful pool, hot tubs, workout center, and well-kept grounds.

Throughout the years, I stayed at the weekly places on and off many times. I can't recall ever having a problem. But yeah, they all became pretty sketchy overall.

First of all, the only reason Axelwolf has any idea where I have stayed is because I have made the occasional self-deprecating comment. That isn't me being too dumb to protect my image; that's me being funny.

Don't flatter yourself, Bro, my comment had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with you, I don't even remember you ever saying you stayed there.

I lived there MYSELF when I was about 20-21 years old (I take it you were much older than that when you stayed at those places) for about 6 to 8 months. I also stayed at the one next to the Frontier and Stardust for a short time as well.



I came to Vegas Via a Greyhound bus when I was 18 with less than $300 in my pocket from the sale of my blown 1970 Chevy Nova. I moved around to different places many times in Las Vegas. I would say there have been more than 20 different places that I have lived in Vegas. Oftentimes, I didn't have a choice; I just took the cheapest, most convenient thing I possibly could as I was living paycheck to paycheck until I got into Advantage Play. I had no safety net.

I lived on 1st and Bonneville, Cason and 11th, The Katie Arms apartments on Twain and Swenson, 13th Street and Mayland Parkway, and in the Naked City. At the time, I didn't think those places were that bad; it's not like I was able to get into the safety of my car and drive away, as I didn't have a vehicle at the time, therefore, I walked or rode my bike everywhere.

Perhaps it was just ignorant bliss, but I didn't think those places were all that bad at the time and I never seemed to have an issue at the places I lived or in the neighborhoods. During my younger years in Vegas, I was almost never home anyway. I used my house to sleep, shower, shave, and fuck. Other than that, I was either out working, chasing tail, shooting pool, or hanging out with friends and then chasing more tail.

Truly, a life well lived.

And yes, Sheldon, that was sarcasm.

Thank God I met Richard Munchkin, because if I thought Axelwolf represented the creme de la creme of "APing," holy juvenility, Batman.

If I die and go to hell, I may be living Axelwolf's life.

Coach, please take it away. I have no further insights. Anybody asks what I think of Axelwolf, I will just quote his post above and not add a word.

[kewlJ]

You know what my take from this is, granted I knew it for years about them?

There are multiple people here that have made successful lives for themselves here through mostly AP in their own way. Axel, Mickey, RED, KJ, Druff and a few others have done it from semi different backgrounds, but did it through hard work, learning, listening and discipline. I understand the trolling and arguing but it’s hard to argue with the fact that they live and lived life their own way and seem to have enjoyed the freedom it gave them. I would never argue they didn’t work as hard as those who had “regular” jobs in life and hang out here. To me their lives and career choices are something to be celebrated, not degraded.

In fact as far as I know there is only one person here who was handed almost everything in life and seems to be the one most upset that no one legitimately respects or believes him. And yes, Singer doesn’t believe most of what the guy claims either, even if he uses him as a useful dupe in his attacks on KJ.

Peace everyone.

Good to hear from you Boz.

I have a bit of a problem with the 5 members you listed, Axelwolf, mickeycrimm, myself, Dan Druff and Redietz. Four of us won money from the casinos. Technically, a poker player like Druff, wins from other players more than casinos. That is not disqualifying, just a little different as far as advantage play for a living. But he also does some advantage play stuff. BUT the 5th guy, Redeitz, makes money (as a tout) from other players. He doesn't win money from other players, he sells them pciks. It is NOT the same.

I enjoyed reading Axelwolf's post today of his early years, including where he stayed as he was getting started. Just as I have always enjoyed mickeycrimms accounts of the same. For me, my early struggling days (when building a bankroll) didn't occur in Las Vegas. They occurred when I lived in Philly and played Atlantic City. And I have written about that. You will see some similarities.

But again, Redietz, while posting accounts of some of the lower end places he stayed, it is an entirely different scenario. He wasn't an advantage player, getting started, building a bankroll. he was a dude looking for "marks" to sell to. And you know how we know this is what he did? HE told us by linking to his website, where he had written out the investment pitch he used. He did that! THAT was the proof that he was a tout selling to and using other people's money to bet. THAT is a salesman, not an AP or professional gambler.

Now along the way, Redietz, muddied the waters with all this contest claims and shit. It was Kim Lee that came along and exposed that part. That the contests are nothing more than a tool used by the different touts back in the day. And they weren't even necessarily legit. Players could pay to have good results shown.

The other thing Kim Lee exposed was when he said he "studied" all the contest results that redietz has pushed on us for years and Kim Lee concluded Redietz did not have a great winning percentage. His conclusion was that he may of broke even or made a small amount of money betting some years. THAT just is NOT and advantage player or a professional player or professional gambler or whatever terminology you want to use. THAT is a guy selling shit! Selling a product that just happens to be his sports picks. I mean he can dress it up anyway he wants with the "investment opportunity", but he was a tout! And he used other peoples money to wager when he did bet, rather than building a BR and using his own money.

The Redietz story is the story of a sports betting Tout, not an advantage player or winning gambler. I mean, I guess that is alright. He just should have told us that up front instead of all this other bullshit. So I just don't appreciate Red's accounts of the places he stayed like I do, legitimate AP's getting started and building a bankroll. Maybe that is just me.

[MDawg]

KewlJ, You can't complain about supposed lies told about you if you are the king of lying yourself.

[coach belly]

Coach, please take it away. I have no further insights.

I'm struck by the fact that the little guy only had 300 bucks and a bus ticket to his name at age 18.

I would never argue they didn’t work as hard as those who had “regular” jobs

Yeah, OK.

[Keystone]

KewlJ, You can't complain about supposed lies told about you if you are the king of lying yourself.

[redietz]

You know what my take from this is, granted I knew it for years about them?

There are multiple people here that have made successful lives for themselves here through mostly AP in their own way. Axel, Mickey, RED, KJ, Druff and a few others have done it from semi different backgrounds, but did it through hard work, learning, listening and discipline. I understand the trolling and arguing but it’s hard to argue with the fact that they live and lived life their own way and seem to have enjoyed the freedom it gave them. I would never argue they didn’t work as hard as those who had “regular” jobs in life and hang out here. To me their lives and career choices are something to be celebrated, not degraded.

In fact as far as I know there is only one person here who was handed almost everything in life and seems to be the one most upset that no one legitimately respects or believes him. And yes, Singer doesn’t believe most of what the guy claims either, even if he uses him as a useful dupe in his attacks on KJ.

Peace everyone.

Good to hear from you Boz.

I have a bit of a problem with the 5 members you listed, Axelwolf, mickeycrimm, myself, Dan Druff and Redietz. Four of us won money from the casinos. Technically, a poker player like Druff, wins from other players more than casinos. That is not disqualifying, just a little different as far as advantage play for a living. But he also does some advantage play stuff. BUT the 5th guy, Redeitz, makes money (as a tout) from other players. He doesn't win money from other players, he sells them pciks. It is NOT the same.

I enjoyed reading Axelwolf's post today of his early years, including where he stayed as he was getting started. Just as I have always enjoyed mickeycrimms accounts of the same. For me, my early struggling days (when building a bankroll) didn't occur in Las Vegas. They occurred when I lived in Philly and played Atlantic City. And I have written about that. You will see some similarities.

But again, Redietz, while posting accounts of some of the lower end places he stayed, it is an entirely different scenario. He wasn't an advantage player, getting started, building a bankroll. he was a dude looking for "marks" to sell to. And you know how we know this is what he did? HE told us by linking to his website, where he had written out the investment pitch he used. He did that! THAT was the proof that he was a tout selling to and using other people's money to bet. THAT is a salesman, not an AP or professional gambler.

Now along the way, Redietz, muddied the waters with all this contest claims and shit. It was Kim Lee that came along and exposed that part. That the contests are nothing more than a tool used by the different touts back in the day. And they weren't even necessarily legit. Players could pay to have good results shown.

The other thing Kim Lee exposed was when he said he "studied" all the contest results that redietz has pushed on us for years and Kim Lee concluded Redietz did not have a great winning percentage. His conclusion was that he may of broke even or made a small amount of money betting some years. THAT just is NOT and advantage player or a professional player or professional gambler or whatever terminology you want to use. THAT is a guy selling shit! Selling a product that just happens to be his sports picks. I mean he can dress it up anyway he wants with the "investment opportunity", but he was a tout! And he used other peoples money to wager when he did bet, rather than building a BR and using his own money.

The Redietz story is the story of a sports betting Tout, not an advantage player or winning gambler. I mean, I guess that is alright. He just should have told us that up front instead of all this other bullshit. So I just don't appreciate Red's accounts of the places he stayed like I do, legitimate AP's getting started and building a bankroll. Maybe that is just me.

I will debunk this each and every time.

First of all, McCusker used a very stringent, limiting grading system, assigning spreads from Friday noon at Leroy's as the earliest numbers, and Saturday noon as the latest closing numbers, so any wagering on teams was assigned only those spreads, not the spreads handicappers wagered. Now maybe kewlJ, in his naivete, doesn't realize this, but those differences cost somewhere between 1 and 2 percentage points to any record most years. So a 55% with McCusker would be, long-term, more like a 57%. Boz can verify this stuff.

Second of all, kewlJ is taking a biased sample. He is using Kim Lee's reportage of the McCusker reports, which include my opening year monitored by McCusker, when I was eight or nine games Under .500, and appyling that to the long-term record, which is fair in some sense, but it conveniently does NOT include my prior year to being monitored by McCusker. The prior year, my column in the Valley View Citizen-Standard, published Wednesdays, yielded an 82-35 ATS college record. So this was a documented, monitored result, read by thousands of people, that was NOT included in the McCusker Reports because it was a year prior to my being monitored by McCusker. If you add in that Citizen-Standard ATS record, my overall muti-year ATS record puts me very comfortably into profitable territory. If you do not use it, then that initial McCusker year drags me down in the multi-years. When I am clear of that, I dominate, to the tune of being in the top five in two, three, and five-year college ATS records when the McCusker Report stopped publishing.

Third, this "kewlJ accounting" method also does not include my 20+ year Wise Guys ATS record, which took place AFTER the McCusker Report stopped publishing. The Wise Guys record, dragged down by the fact I had to compete for 18 weeks and college football lasts 12, is still comfortably in positive territory. It is either the best or second best overall ATS record for the 20 years of the competition in which I participated.

So the question arises, why would kewlj, someone claiming to be a professional gambler, who adheres to alleged real numbers, lie about my track record? Why would Kewlj just ignore all the other data points besides the McCusker Report, data points which can be investigated and verified? Now admittedly, scrolling through microfiche to get the Citizen-Standard tally would be no fun, but if you are not willing to do that, why lie?

The answer is obvious. KewlJ lies about damned near everything.

And MDawg, quote me on that.

P.S. I have copies of a Super Bowl interview that the Shenandoah Evening Herald did with me after that monster 82-35 ATS college column in the Citizen-Standard. If there is a clamor for that published interview, which obviously the Herald vetted, I guess I could locate it and post it here. It was a classic interview, although they took a photo of me right after I played hoops, so I am wearing prescription combat glasses (like Rambis).

[kewlJ]

The Valley View Citizen-Standard?

This is now your PROOF of anything? And a column you wrote for this media Giant no less....shades of one Rob Singer.

Dude, you embarrass yourself more and more with each new post. Are you alright Bob Dietz? Seriously are you going through some sort of Medical problem or issue right now?

[MisterV]

Are the "gangsters" considered "lowlifes" because they were caught currently (as in "recently") scamming seven million or whatever from folks, or are they "lowlifes" because they aren't operating at a high enough income/sophistication level for your tastes? Or are they "lowlifes" because they are smarter than you and yours?

I thought the answer to this question would be obvious.

Gangsters can aptly be branded as "lowlifes" because they engage in and support themselves by ongoing criminal activity.

Q.E.D.

Doesn't matter how much money they have, or what they drive: crooks are crooks and crooks are BAD.

Which is not to say that they do not perform services valuable to some non-gangsters: patrons of prostitutes, junkies: but they're equally "lowlife."

There are no brownie points in life or on this board from associating with gangsters; only the silly notion that this somehow makes someone special.

Crime and criminals have always been deemed a evidence of a society's failure, akin to cancer.

But we mere mortals often avail ourselves of their offerings even though we know better: Wicked World.