Obvious Observations and Ramifications of the NBA Scandal(s)

[MisterV]

Aha...new learning: never read about that, thanks.

You have been here for 8 years and did not know how to view a linked quote?

You've never bothered to verify a quote?

You've been taking everyone's word for it when they posted a quote?

You're not that bright, are you.

Are you really an attorney?

Calm down, acerbic one.

It's simply a feature I'd never known about: my computer skills have always been sub par; hell, I resist change and most new learning: my daily driver is a 1982 Volvo 244 Turbo, I listen to a lot of LP's and don't own or want to own a smart phone.

And yet...and yet...somehow I was quite successful.

Go figure.

[coach belly]

Go figure.

I figure you're embellishing about your success.

I've overestimated you...my bad, you're a Tasha-level character at best.

[kewlJ]

It's clear that he's not back because he contributes anything to this forum, aside from trolling.

Neither do you or Mdawg contribute anything to this forum other than trolling. If that is the criteria, neither of you should be here either.

[MDawg]

Why are you still here?

[coach belly]

If that is the criteria

Dan determines whether someone contributes anything to this forum, aside from trolling.

That's obviously incomprehensible to a dolt like you.

[MisterV]

Go figure.

I figure you're embellishing about your success.

I've overestimated you...my bad, you're a Tasha-level character at best.

Whatever you want to believe, coach.

I have more money than I'll likely ever need, I'm loved by my family, my ex and I get along, I have some friends...what else is there to life, eh?

40 years of practicing law and a nice inheritance is what gave me financial security; treating people well helped with the rest of it.

How are things going with you, eh?

[accountinquestion]

Go figure.

I figure you're embellishing about your success.

I've overestimated you...my bad, you're a Tasha-level character at best.

Whatever you want to believe, coach.

I have more money than I'll likely ever need, I'm loved by my family, my ex and I get along, I have some friends...what else is there to life, eh?

40 years of practicing law and a nice inheritance is what gave me financial security; treating people well helped with the rest of it.

How are things going with you, eh?

As much as I bust Singer's balls - I believe the guy is happy. Kewl I'm unsure of and same with Mdawg.

But if there is one guy completely fucking mental miserable it must be Coach !

[DGenBen]

Anyone looking for a new .sig file?

May I suggest:

"Not only was nobody's ass in my mouth last night, but nobody's ass has EVER been in my mouth. NEVER! Not once!"

That was a good one & made me laugh!

However I’m not sure if even on THIS forum there is anyone degenerate, depraved, and basically just a sick & disgusting enough person to actually use that as their signature line.

[mickeycrimm]

So I am curious, based on your recent Vegas trip did you find a lot of "competition" for these plays. More advantage slot players lurking around Vegas than other areas you might travel to?

Yes, there were plenty of slot AP's hovering around on the strip keeping everything knocked down. Same thing downtown.

For CZR I stayed at the Flamingo so had access to Cromwell, Horseshoe and Paris in one direction. And Linq, Harrah's in the other direction. Plus Caesar's across the street. To run through all these places I used my secret weapon. My power chair. It runs at 3.75 MPH, which is faster than people walk. When I'm running I'm like "get the hell out of my way you slow poker strip walkers!" With slot AP's there's always the speed walkers to contend with. They want to cover as many machines as they can. My power chair is the equivalent of speed walking. It vastly speeds up the process for me. And when I'm thru with a lap around the casinos I'm not worn out like I would be if I tried to walk it.

It will go 15 miles between charges. So from Flamingo I easily went thru Ling, Harrahs, then across the road to Casesar's then across to Bellagio, across to Paris and Horseshoe, then across to Cromwell, then back to Flamingo on one charge.

So with CZR I'm getting everything comped. How do I sustain that? By running action. But I got all these slot AP's hovering around keeping the machines stripped of any advantage plays. How do I run action that isn't negative? I had to look for plays that were barely advantage and live with the fluctuation. There was few games in particular the slot AP's wouldn't play below a certain level that I knew could be played at lower numbers. And they were in every casino.

So spread out over 8 days I ran 35K in action. That was what the traffic would bare to play with an edge, but not a big edge. That's about a 4.4K wager per day. That's easily enough action per day to sustain a diamond card. You have to run a 75K wager per year to maintain diamond. I'm diamond until Feb 2027. Starting Jan 1, 2026 I'll have to run a 75K wager to maintain diamond until Feb 2028. At a 4.4K wager per day that's just 17 days play to maintain diamond. And I have a year to do it.

Plus I stayed 4 payed days at Excalibur to see if I could jump start comp from MGM Rewards. I ran a 20K wager but ran bad and lost $900. No hill for a climber. That was in september. So they have initially sent me a 2 day comp for Excalibur.

So this makes it possible to stay 5 days on CZR, then 2 days at MGM, that back for another 5 days at CZR, if that's the way I want to work it. Maybe. I have to figure out what 2 free days at Excaliber means. Does that mean the room is free but you pay resort fee's? If you look on their website the room rate is like $20 with a $50 resort fee, plus tax. So does that mean I'm just getting a $20 discount? I'll have to give them a call.

I just received a 3 day comp offer yesterday from Mesquite Gaming. That's Casa Blanca/Virgin River in Mesquite. I stopped there for the night on my September trip. So I've got a comp play working there too.

I haven't received anything from the downtown casinos so far. But well see. I did get a 2 day from Santa Fe Station. Nothing from Red Rock so far. Nothing from Durango. I seen Aliante Station on my way from Durango to Santa Fe. I thought damn, that casino is in the middle of nowhere but didn't stop.

I have enough working to easily spend a couple of weeks at a time in Vegas for free.

In short, KJ, if I were after maximizing the amount of money I'm making from slot AP I wouldn't go to Vegas. I have much better places. But it's a great vacation spot.

[kewlJ]

In short, KJ, if I were after maximizing the amount of money I'm making from slot AP I wouldn't go to Vegas. I have much better places. But it's a great vacation spot.

This is what I figured mickeycrimm. Thanks for the informative and entertaining report. Continue to enjoy your travels and play.

Amongst the Station properties, with the Fiesta now closed since covid, Boulder Station and Palace Station are probably the easiest places to get offers from (lower play required). They are also the 2 less desirable location, because of location and being a little run down.

Sunset Station and Sante Fe are sort of the middle tier. Nice casinos, restaurants, hotel, just a little of the beaten path.

And Red Rock and Green Valley the top tier.

Stations has slotted Durango into that Top tier for now, because of the newness. But at some point it should settle into mid-tier with Sunset and Sante Fe.

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And as far as Aliante, which you said you didn't get to yet, mickey, it is a Boyd property, but if you do get there at some point you will notice that it every much looks like a station casino because it was built a Station casino, "Aliante Station". Boyd acquired it after it filed for bankruptcy.

Really nice casino, but I guess they just built it TOO far out way from everything. I have NEVER seen the place anything but empty, although I am not sure I have ever made it there on a Saturday night, so...

[MDawg]

It also burns UNKewlJ to no end that even more posters at WOV have in recent times been expressing back up for MDawg's winning ways. Aneurisms coming galore for the perennially UNKewl one....

[Keystone]

It also burns UNKewlJ to no end that even more posters at WOV have in recent times been expressing back up for MDawg's winning ways. Aneurisms coming galore for the perennially UNKewl one....

[accountinquestion]

So I am curious, based on your recent Vegas trip did you find a lot of "competition" for these plays. More advantage slot players lurking around Vegas than other areas you might travel to?

Yes, there were plenty of slot AP's hovering around on the strip keeping everything knocked down. Same thing downtown.

For CZR I stayed at the Flamingo so had access to Cromwell, Horseshoe and Paris in one direction. And Linq, Harrah's in the other direction. Plus Caesar's across the street. To run through all these places I used my secret weapon. My power chair. It runs at 3.75 MPH, which is faster than people walk. When I'm running I'm like "get the hell out of my way you slow poker strip walkers!" With slot AP's there's always the speed walkers to contend with. They want to cover as many machines as they can. My power chair is the equivalent of speed walking. It vastly speeds up the process for me. And when I'm thru with a lap around the casinos I'm not worn out like I would be if I tried to walk it.

It will go 15 miles between charges. So from Flamingo I easily went thru Ling, Harrahs, then across the road to Casesar's then across to Bellagio, across to Paris and Horseshoe, then across to Cromwell, then back to Flamingo on one charge.

So with CZR I'm getting everything comped. How do I sustain that? By running action. But I got all these slot AP's hovering around keeping the machines stripped of any advantage plays. How do I run action that isn't negative? I had to look for plays that were barely advantage and live with the fluctuation. There was few games in particular the slot AP's wouldn't play below a certain level that I knew could be played at lower numbers. And they were in every casino.

So spread out over 8 days I ran 35K in action. That was what the traffic would bare to play with an edge, but not a big edge. That's about a 4.4K wager per day. That's easily enough action per day to sustain a diamond card. You have to run a 75K wager per year to maintain diamond. I'm diamond until Feb 2027. Starting Jan 1, 2026 I'll have to run a 75K wager to maintain diamond until Feb 2028. At a 4.4K wager per day that's just 17 days play to maintain diamond. And I have a year to do it.

Plus I stayed 4 payed days at Excalibur to see if I could jump start comp from MGM Rewards. I ran a 20K wager but ran bad and lost $900. No hill for a climber. That was in september. So they have initially sent me a 2 day comp for Excalibur.

So this makes it possible to stay 5 days on CZR, then 2 days at MGM, that back for another 5 days at CZR, if that's the way I want to work it. Maybe. I have to figure out what 2 free days at Excaliber means. Does that mean the room is free but you pay resort fee's? If you look on their website the room rate is like $20 with a $50 resort fee, plus tax. So does that mean I'm just getting a $20 discount? I'll have to give them a call.

I just received a 3 day comp offer yesterday from Mesquite Gaming. That's Casa Blanca/Virgin River in Mesquite. I stopped there for the night on my September trip. So I've got a comp play working there too.

I haven't received anything from the downtown casinos so far. But well see. I did get a 2 day from Santa Fe Station. Nothing from Red Rock so far. Nothing from Durango. I seen Aliante Station on my way from Durango to Santa Fe. I thought damn, that casino is in the middle of nowhere but didn't stop.

I have enough working to easily spend a couple of weeks at a time in Vegas for free.

In short, KJ, if I were after maximizing the amount of money I'm making from slot AP I wouldn't go to Vegas. I have much better places. But it's a great vacation spot.

I'm curious which machines the hustlers don't get. Quickhits? There is a buffalo game I mess with sometimes with a wheel spin bonus but it was still -EV. I was just in LV and walked the floor a couple of times. Looked for stuff where I'd be neutralish EV just to show more action on my card and keep the occasional free room offer. Especially on the weekends. Only saw 2 hustlers but I wasn't spending enough time to really run into them. Standard Asian hustlers.

I guess there are probably quite a few combo plays that go beyond the expertise of these people who more likely just look for single number for entry points.

I also figure you won't answer me but I am curious.

[mickeycrimm]

I spent plenty of nights at the Western and Ambassador Inn when downtown. This goes back to the 90's and 2000's.The Ambassador had weeklies at $120 a week. But then I moved up to the Budget Inn, 201 w. Main, $140 a week. Much safer. Out the backdoor of the Budget, around the corner and into the casino center entrance to the Golden Nugget, and I was in action.

On the strip the great thing about Budget Suites behind the Stardust was there was no neighborhood. No one from the hood hanging out. More expensive, $230 a week but I liked the place.
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A quote of the OP:

"But to the obvious -- the tech and techniques used at the poker tables are obviously accretional. They could have been (and were) developed and used as individual techniques and strategies. The fact that they landed en masse at this particular set of games likely demonstrates (1) they have been used individually for eons at various games around the country and (2) they just happened to all land at this particular game because this kind of manipulation is mature, as in "has been done forever in part in various games." But these folks decided to slap it all together in a Super Adaptoid format (Marvel comics readers get that reference) because...why not be greedy and micro-manage everything? To argue that these techniques haven't been used separately for a long, long time is silly.

Meanwhile, the kewlJs of the world have existed in LV for decades and know nothing about any of this except as it pertains to blackjack, which speaks to either (A) they ain't what they say they are or (B) they are dumb as rocks and more blind than Ms. Keller or (C) both."

Of course, this is all hindsight by ditz. He chides us for not knowing, but what the fuck did he know about it? Nothing.

Years ago KJ seen some funny shit from one of those shufflers and wrote about it extensively here. Sure, he's a blackjack player, but what simp wouldn't know that if BJ could be cheated by these machines then poker could easily be cheated too. I took note of it but was never around it.

Ditz admits in this thread he wasn't talented enough to make it as a year around gambler. Just 100 days a year in Las Vegas leaves 265 days a year in Johnson City greeting folks at Walmart.

Ditz' "friend" Munchkin is a multi accounter. Munchkin has interviewed dozens of the most notable gamblers in the world. For some reason ditz puts himself high on Munchkin's list. ROTFLMAO I don't think so. Ditz still refuses to admit he turned Munchkin down for an interview. And at this point in time its glaringly apparent that ditz never intended to ever do an interview of any kind. To chickenshit. He's just been talking shit the whole time.

I'll do an interview with anyone at any time.

Other than that, mickey, you're spot on. As usual.

If you want to interview me in Las Vegas, I'll give you some air miles and fly you down for it. James Dennison, who has some film directing credits, can film it. I'll ask Munchkin to sit in on it, if you like.

I can't be more hospitable than that. I'll even buy you dinner once or twice.

Shoot me an email at integritysports@aol.com, and we can pin down some dates.

If Munchkin is there he will interview you. But here’s the thing. You keep throwing up roadblocks that show your insincerity/bullshit. You can do an interview over the phone or the internet. Very simple. No one has to travel. Why do you insist on everyone jumping thru all these hoops? Plain and simple. You’re a chickenshit motherfucker.

And I have already said I’m no longer interested in hearing anything you have to say in an interview. You strung the situation out to long. I’m just pointing out that you’ve been lying to us for 2 years about it. Your nothing so fuck off.

[mickeycrimm]

The mob was involved only in the poker, not sports betting. And only involved in the New York poker games.

[coach belly]

Ditz still refuses to admit he turned Munchkin down for an interview.

The dispute is whether or not redietz turned Munchkin down for an interview.

That is your contention...and it amounts to hearsay.

redietz has been here consistently disputing your hearsay, and we haven't heard from Munchkin.

redietz is willing to fly you in to sit with him and Munchkin in order to set the record straight.

If you're not interested in clearing this up, then why do you keep bringing it up?

[redietz]

I spent plenty of nights at the Western and Ambassador Inn when downtown. This goes back to the 90's and 2000's.The Ambassador had weeklies at $120 a week. But then I moved up to the Budget Inn, 201 w. Main, $140 a week. Much safer. Out the backdoor of the Budget, around the corner and into the casino center entrance to the Golden Nugget, and I was in action.

On the strip the great thing about Budget Suites behind the Stardust was there was no neighborhood. No one from the hood hanging out. More expensive, $230 a week but I liked the place.
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A quote of the OP:

"But to the obvious -- the tech and techniques used at the poker tables are obviously accretional. They could have been (and were) developed and used as individual techniques and strategies. The fact that they landed en masse at this particular set of games likely demonstrates (1) they have been used individually for eons at various games around the country and (2) they just happened to all land at this particular game because this kind of manipulation is mature, as in "has been done forever in part in various games." But these folks decided to slap it all together in a Super Adaptoid format (Marvel comics readers get that reference) because...why not be greedy and micro-manage everything? To argue that these techniques haven't been used separately for a long, long time is silly.

Meanwhile, the kewlJs of the world have existed in LV for decades and know nothing about any of this except as it pertains to blackjack, which speaks to either (A) they ain't what they say they are or (B) they are dumb as rocks and more blind than Ms. Keller or (C) both."

Of course, this is all hindsight by ditz. He chides us for not knowing, but what the fuck did he know about it? Nothing.

Years ago KJ seen some funny shit from one of those shufflers and wrote about it extensively here. Sure, he's a blackjack player, but what simp wouldn't know that if BJ could be cheated by these machines then poker could easily be cheated too. I took note of it but was never around it.

Ditz admits in this thread he wasn't talented enough to make it as a year around gambler. Just 100 days a year in Las Vegas leaves 265 days a year in Johnson City greeting folks at Walmart.

Ditz' "friend" Munchkin is a multi accounter. Munchkin has interviewed dozens of the most notable gamblers in the world. For some reason ditz puts himself high on Munchkin's list. ROTFLMAO I don't think so. Ditz still refuses to admit he turned Munchkin down for an interview. And at this point in time its glaringly apparent that ditz never intended to ever do an interview of any kind. To chickenshit. He's just been talking shit the whole time.

I'll do an interview with anyone at any time.

Other than that, mickey, you're spot on. As usual.

If you want to interview me in Las Vegas, I'll give you some air miles and fly you down for it. James Dennison, who has some film directing credits, can film it. I'll ask Munchkin to sit in on it, if you like.

I can't be more hospitable than that. I'll even buy you dinner once or twice.

Shoot me an email at integritysports@aol.com, and we can pin down some dates.

If Munchkin is there he will interview you. But here’s the thing. You keep throwing up roadblocks that show your insincerity/bullshit. You can do an interview over the phone or the internet. Very simple. No one has to travel. Why do you insist on everyone jumping thru all these hoops? Plain and simple. You’re a chickenshit motherfucker.

And I have already said I’m no longer interested in hearing anything you have to say in an interview. You strung the situation out to long. I’m just pointing out that you’ve been lying to us for 2 years about it. Your nothing so fuck off.

Actually, mickey, you are dead wrong vis-a-vis interviewing. Go read a couple dozen studies on human communication. The majority of information exchanged when people interact is non-verbal. So being in someone's physical space during a conversation not only provides more information than if not, it actually provides the majority of the information exchanged.

See, mickey, you learn something new and obvious every day just from hanging around me.

[DGenBen]

Go figure.

I figure you're embellishing about your success.

I've overestimated you...my bad, you're a Tasha-level character at best.

Whatever you want to believe, coach.

I have more money than I'll likely ever need, I'm loved by my family, my ex and I get along, I have some friends...what else is there to life, eh?

40 years of practicing law and a nice inheritance is what gave me financial security; treating people well helped with the rest of it.

How are things going with you, eh?

I think it’s pretty clear from the tone & content of Coach Belly’s posts how things are going with him.

When you post you always come across as light hearted & happy.

Contrast that with him, a depressed, lonely, & miserable old curmudgeon lol

[coach belly]

My god, look at your tag line.

You actually had to type that...what is wrong with you?

a depressed, lonely, & miserable old curmudgeon lol

[DGenBen]

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