Singer was Wrong. (about everything)

[kewlJ]

Look, Bob Dietz, the point I am making here is 'people that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones'. I don't care about your little tout business. Maybe you started in grade school, taking milk money from kids. Who cares. You have lied and exaggerated many things on this forum. And again, YES I have lied and been less than honest about a few things, but none of it is my basic story of what I do. It is always unrelated shit that I feel like I have to throw people (like you and Turtle) off my scent.

But you Dietz, just like Turtle, have lied and been dishonest about your basic gambling story and claims. Big difference.

So just stop throwing stones, you bald loon.

I haven't lied about a single thing.

That's why the enterprise has always been Integrity Sports.

Go ahead, pull up a quote where I lied about anything. You only have thousands of samples. Surely you can find one.

You got everything wrong again. What is wrong with you?

Find a single quote where I lied about anything. You will not.

ahhh..50 years!!! That lie was proven and admitted to you only 20 minutes ago. Your dementia really is getting worse.

But the bigger lie was your whole claim. That you somehow were a successful sports bettor. Tying yourself to Billy Walters. You WERE NOT a sports bettor. YOU were a TOUT!

[MisterV]

But the bigger lie was your whole claim. That you somehow were a successful sports bettor. Tying yourself to Billy Walters. You WERE NOT a sports bettor. YOU were a TOUT!

KJ, methinks you climbed to the end of a tree branch and are sawing the branch off...wouldn't a tout bet sports?

Are you seriously claiming redietz never bet sports?

That's what your post seems to say, and ... well...

[kewlJ]

But the bigger lie was your whole claim. That you somehow were a successful sports bettor. Tying yourself to Billy Walters. You WERE NOT a sports bettor. YOU were a TOUT!

KJ, methinks you climbed to the end of a tree branch and are sawing the branch off...wouldn't a tout bet sports?

Are you seriously claiming redietz never bet sports?

That's what your post seems to say, and ... well...

No MrV. He probably bets sports along the way. Actually, I am quite certain of it. Kim Lee concluded that Dietz probably made a little money betting sports, but not enough to crow about. Not even enough to support himself.

What I object to is Dietz for years told us or implied that he was a successful sports bettor. Ala Billy Walters. When the facts are he was a tout selling picks and needing other people's money to bet. That is not a professional sports bettor. That is a tout. His whole claim was based on a lie.

That really puts him on par with someone like Turtle or Singer claiming all their ridiculous winnings in my book. It just isn't what he claimed.

There are people that play professionally. Professional gamblers if you will. Everything from the table games that I play to Machines (mickeycrimm), to people doing a variety of advanced things like Grosjean and munchkin. (I prefer the term AP, because they are doing something at an advantage that they came explain the math of). But that is not what any of these jackwads are. they are posers and want-a bes. A guy selling picks and needing new suckers (marks) is not a professional sports bettor. any more than Singer and Turtle are real winning players.

To me what redietz claimed to what he really was would be like if a blackjack dealer (his fulltime job), who played blackjack on the weekends called himself a professional player. he is NOT and I don't like it. I don't like that Redietz in his condescending ways, lied to us all these years.

[kewlJ]

A good part of it has to do with knowing and understanding risk. Real professional players, whatever they are doing understand risk. We LIVE risk. If we don't win (long-term) we don't have income.

these posers don't even have a clue about risk. Not real risk. Not real gambling for a living.

These posers want to be a professional gambler, but they aren't. They are lawyers born into money, or low level government workers that have a wife working in the government and supporting him while he runs around pretending, or a guy that does whatever Redietz does 8 months a year (writes for a newspaper) and had a wife that supported him and later lived off her estate while he pretended to be a professional gambler 4 months a year.

If you want to be a professional gambler, then fucking do it. Take the risks and live the life. Don't just be a poser pretending and making up stories.

I get tired of it. And everyone of us real APs and players can spot these guys about 20 seconds into their routine.

[MDawg]

TWO "well-known local AP's" who know him and have seen him play.

[redietz]

A good part of it has to do with knowing and understanding risk. Real professional players, whatever they are doing understand risk. We LIVE risk. If we don't win (long-term) we don't have income.

these posers don't even have a clue about risk. Not real risk. Not real gambling for a living.

These posers want to be a professional gambler, but they aren't. They are lawyers born into money, or low level government workers that have a wife working in the government and supporting him while he runs around pretending, or a guy that does whatever Redietz does 8 months a year (writes for a newspaper) and had a wife that supported him and later lived off her estate while he pretended to be a professional gambler 4 months a year.

If you want to be a professional gambler, then fucking do it. Take the risks and live the life. Don't just be a poser pretending and making up stories.

I get tired of it. And everyone of us real APs and players can spot these guys about 20 seconds into their routine.

Just to be clear, my late wife died a long time ago, in 2002. The "estate" consisted of 50K in life insurance, about half of which went to cover costs traveling for experimental treatments at UAB and the National Institutes of Health in Baltimore.

Other than that, kewlJ is his usual truth-dealing self.

He's a joke. And not the funny kind.

He really should not be allowed on forums. I can't post here if Todd is going to allow him to lie about my late wife. It's just too disrespectful.

Todd, drop me a line if you decide my posting here is important enough for you to suspend kewlJ for lying about my late wife. The email is IntegritySports@aol.com.

[Keystone]

TWO "well-known local AP's" who know him and have seen him play.

[kewlJ]

He really should not be allowed on forums. I can't post here if Todd is going to allow him to lie about my late wife. It's just too disrespectful.

OMG, another crybaby!

Deitz, I said nothing disrespectful about your late wife. What that she supported you, so you could engage in your little sports betting tout business? That was Kim Lee's conclusion based on examining your records and history.

If you want to talk about disrespectful compare what i said, which is no way was disrespectful to what some of what the trolls and haters said when my partner passed away.

Also if you want to talk disrespectful, it was YOU Dietz that started that whole KJ is a prostitute thing. Not, turtle. Not seedvalue. IT was YOU. They just repeated it.

My objections to Dan Druff were met with a "Thems the rules here". You have been here how long Dietz? You should know what is allowed and not.

As Kim Lee concluded, at best you broke about even or made a little bit of money. Not enough to support yourself. Somebody supported you and it was you late wife. After she passed, you inherited that little house in east bumblefuck, and lived rent free, so she continued to support you after her death, may she rest in peace.

The trolls and haters here, which YOU are now firmly one of have been trolling and hating on me for a long time now. Well, I am returning fire now and going to turn it up a notch.

So go fuck yourself.

[Rob.Singer]

He really should not be allowed on forums. I can't post here if Todd is going to allow him to lie about my late wife. It's just too disrespectful.

OMG, another crybaby!

Deitz, I said nothing disrespectful about your late wife. What that she supported you, so you could engage in your little sports betting tout business? That was Kim Lee's conclusion based on examining your records and history.

If you want to talk about disrespectful compare what i said, which is no way was disrespectful to what some of what the trolls and haters said when my partner passed away.

Also if you want to talk disrespectful, it was YOU Dietz that started that whole KJ is a prostitute thing. Not, turtle. Not seedvalue. IT was YOU. They just repeated it.

My objections to Dan Druff were met with a "Thems the rules here". You have been here how long Dietz? You should know what is allowed and not.

As Kim Lee concluded, at best you broke about even or made a little bit of money. Not enough to support yourself. Somebody supported you and it was you late wife. After she passed, you inherited that little house in east bumblefuck, and lived rent free, so she continued to support you after her death, may she rest in peace.

The trolls and haters here, which YOU are now firmly one of have been trolling and hating on me for a long time now. Well, I am returning fire now and going to turn it up a notch.

So go fuck yourself.

This is why kew is the only reason I get any enjoyment at all out of this forum anymore. Here we have internet gambling forums' most notoriousl proven compulsive liar--one who makes up false facts about those who've long had him and his concocted online life pegged--and one who cannot handle or withstand any negative comments or the debunking of his many phony claims and cries out and whines like a spoiled brat to the forum owner every time he's called out and/or caught in one of his whoppers, actually calling someone else a CRYBABY??!!

Any question why the fool's craving for respect and overwhelming/desperate need to convince others is laughed at across the entire spectrum?

Wake up and smell the urine kew. Watching you do yourself in is one of my favorite past times.

[jdaewoo]

Why isn't this retard pretending he can afford an RV?

[MDawg]

You do everything you accuse others of when it suits your purpose: racial slurs, threats, repeating embellishments or outright lies about others over and over. Obviously you are so deluded you have no idea even who you are. I'm coming to understand you must actually believe everything you say, even the lies you tell yourself about yourself. I agree with AinQ, I don't want to chase you off the forum either, just get help. Seriously you need a therapist to help you connect with reality.

So my suggestion to kewlJ is to just tell the truth. And if you need to lie in order to be able to present a story out here, just don't present the story at all.

[Keystone]

You do everything you accuse others of when it suits your purpose: racial slurs, threats, repeating embellishments or outright lies about others over and over. Obviously you are so deluded you have no idea even who you are. I'm coming to understand you must actually believe everything you say, even the lies you tell yourself about yourself. I agree with AinQ, I don't want to chase you off the forum either, just get help. Seriously you need a therapist to help you connect with reality.

So my suggestion to kewlJ is to just tell the truth. And if you need to lie in order to be able to present a story out here, just don't present the story at all.

[kewlJ]

Here we have internet gambling forums' most notoriousl proven compulsive liar

And I love how Rob Singer of all people, one of the 2 most notorious liars along with this Turtle poster, not just of this little forum but throughout the gambling forums has the balls to call anyone else a liar. Just pretending that he is not if not THE, then one of the worst offenders. Fascinating.

You see Rob Singer and this turtle person have made whopper lies about their gambling history and claims. Ranging from the double up bug, which Rob stole, to winning hundreds of thousands playing a progression system, to the many fake jackpot picture with Rob, to winning millions and millions of dollars while the casinos and casino personnel don't care with this other clown, Turtle.

Any lies I have told have been not about my basic gambling claims, as my story has remained consistent, across several forums. It is somewhat boring or routine and there is nothing to remember. Any lies I have told have been about details, as there was usually something I didn't want revealed to the trolls and haters like Singer and this turtle that they could use to harm me or my career. (or moses before that). Not a single lie or even exaggeration about my blackjack play or career. If I had lied, it would be a little more interesting as blackjack card counting is pretty mundane if done correctly.

Just remember and read some of the gambling whoppers from these two clowns.

Anyway, football day. Lot of bets going.

[accountinquestion]

Kewl said redietz's wife made much $$$ and she didn't and thus redietz is mad kewl lied about her?

Did I miss something?

[MisterV]

KJ said she supported him, and redietz disputes that.

Whatever.

The only "objective" evidence of his income (or lack thereof) that I recall being adduced pertained to his failure to pay property tax on his home.

Draw your own conclusions.

Same with Singer having filed bankruptcy last century: draw your own conclusions.

I enjoy reading what both of them post and I really don't care whether or not they are truthful all of the time...hell, this is a gambling board, what can you expect?

"Here we are now, entertain us." ... How true that is.

[MDawg]

There's no doubt I have the right guy. Like I said, "I can pick you out of a police line up"

I said that's what I believed at the time. From my understanding and what I've been told he certainly isn't a white guy. I don't know if it's specific Islander, f****** Asian, Hawaiian, I don't f****** know.

Then it was confirmed by somebody else that yeah that's the partner dude that they knew to be with KJ.

[Keystone]

There's no doubt I have the right guy. Like I said, "I can pick you out of a police line up"

I said that's what I believed at the time. From my understanding and what I've been told he certainly isn't a white guy. I don't know if it's specific Islander, f****** Asian, Hawaiian, I don't f****** know.

Then it was confirmed by somebody else that yeah that's the partner dude that they knew to be with KJ.

[kewlJ]

KJ said she supported him, and redietz disputes that.

Whatever.

The only "objective" evidence of his income (or lack thereof) that I recall being adduced pertained to his failure to pay property tax on his home.

Draw your own conclusions.

Same with Singer having filed bankruptcy last century: draw your own conclusions.

You are the expert here, MrV, but wouldn't these types of things be considered "supporting evidence", meaning alone they don't prove anything, but you start to get a few of these things and looks like a pretty compelling case.

[MisterV]

I can't recall what redietz's explanation was as to how he came to not pay his property tax on time.

Could be a legitimate reason for a solvent person to be late, but he could also have been broke as a joke at the time.

It isn't definitive proof by any means, but it would tend to support your claim.

Bottom line: the truth, as is oft the case, is unknown.

But I don't believe he's a deadbeat; nor do I get the feeling he's particularly well off: I think he's just an average guy with a keen interest in sports betting and arguing on social media.

[kewlJ]

I can't recall what redietz's explanation was as to how he came to not pay his property tax on time.

Could be a legitimate reason for a solvent person to be late, but he could also have been broke as a joke at the time.

It isn't definitive proof by any means, but it would tend to support your claim.

Bottom line: the truth, as is oft the case, is unknown.

But I don't believe he's a deadbeat; nor do I get the feeling he's particularly well off: I think he's just an average guy with a keen interest in sports betting and arguing on social media.

I wasn't really referring to Dietz paying his property tax late as any kind of supporting evidence. BUT if I remember, he did have a rather odd explanation for doing so. I think that explanation was at GF, not here though. he mentioned something like he paid it 6 months late along with 10% penalty, which amounted to only a small amout (I guess about $50). Small amount or not paying a 10% penalty for an extra 6 months, is pretty poor way to handle finances. But whatever.

What I was referring to as far as redietz, with the supporting evidence comment, was this. Somebody betting sports for a living has to hit at 53% just to overcome the vig. So they really need to hit at 55% minimum long-term to show any profit. Probably more like 56-57% to show any reasonable profit long-term.

Kim Lee, having gone over all the different publications from the 80-90's concluding that Redeitz did not hit at 55% long-term. It was indeed about 53%. Which lead to the conclusion that he may have broken about even, maybe made some small amount of money some years. NOT enough to live off of. That is why Kim Lee included the comment "if he had someone basically supporting him".

As far as I know, Kim Lee did not know about Red's wife, a college professor, who likely did support him or pay most of the living expenses, and yet Kim Lee hit the nail right on the head.

There just is no evidence that Redietz made any kind of real money betting sports. Did he make a good living as a tout, or taking a percentage of bettors money (free roll type service)? I have no idea. I wouldn't think so, Plus if Red was hitting 53%, the people that were his clients were losing money. They would have needed to hit much higher than that to break even with paying redietz however he structured it) on top. So they lost money. That means he would have needed a new set of clients every year. Hence his need to be in Vegas 100 days to drum up new clients and business.

And none of that is illegal, but it just is not what Redeitz told us all these years. he told us he was a professional sports bettor and the numbers just don't bear that out. Even though Red mentioned Kim Lee as having all that information, I suspect he never envisioned Kim Lee coming here and exposing everything he did about redeitz and even some of the shit in those contests results, like the touts that used them could pay to have their results look better.