Singer was Wrong. (about everything)

[kewlJ]

Some of this stuff we shouldn't have even known about Bob Dietz. Like the late payment of property taxes, that I believe coach belly looked up. Or who it was that actually paid for that house. But for some odd reason, in his crusade against being anonymous, this Bob Dietz person posted his name address hundreds of times. Even his phone number a handful of times.

He more or less exposed himself as the people almost always do. Singer did the same thing.

[MDawg]

You are hopelessly dense

[Keystone]

You are hopelessly dense

[MisterV]

Somebody betting sports for a living has to hit at 53% just to overcome the vig. So they really need to hit at 55% minimum long-term to show any profit. Probably more like 56-57% to show any reasonable profit long-term...he told us he was a professional sports bettor

Cannot an avowed "professional sports bettor" also have a job outside of that, one to pay the bills?

Could be he had a regular job and dabbled with sports for shits, giggles, and to make some extra dough, both from betting and from "clients."

I don't know, nor really care: the man seems to knows sports betting, just as you seem to know card counting.

[kewlJ]

Cannot an avowed "professional sports bettor" also have a job outside of that, one to pay the bills?

That is a different discussion and one that we have had before haven't we?

The definition of "professional" says something like a specific activity as one's main paid occupation.

If a person is a dealer at a casino, but plays blackjack one day a week on their day off, playing at an advantage, are they a professional gambler or blackjack player? I think any reasonable person would say no.

If a person works any other job 5 days a week and AP's one a week on Saturdays, are they an AP? sure. Are they a professional AP, meaning supports themselves from that? Come on?

Since redietz claims he mostly "specialized" in college football, and only was in Las Vegas 100 days (3-4 months a year), there seems a reasonable chance he did something else back in East Bumblefuck the other 8 months a year, that he just hasn't told us about. Maybe he had a side job working at the East Bumblefuck Gazette. Maybe he delivered Pizzas. And that is all well and good. It isn't mandatory that everyone be a "professional" AP/gambler/player.

But again, I come back to that is not what he lead us to believe all these years. If you say you are a professional anything, doesn't that mean that is how you support yourself or make a living?

[kewlJ]

And the whole "professional" player/AP thing can get even hairier, when talking retirement.

For Card counting, I have always said that before a person has a family, 20's maybe early 30's is a great time to be a card counter. And the second good time is after retirement, supplementing retirement income. BUT if a person is retired, lets say decent pension, collecting social security and they embark of some form of advantage play in their retirement, and make say 20-30k, but are really living off their retirement, are they really a "professional" AP or blackjack player?

I had a bit of a problem with a guy back on Norm's blackjack forum 12-13 years ago, that this was his exact situation. he retired from teaching at a college (professor) in his early 50's and started playing blackjack. And his wife still worked full time. By the time he got to his 70's he promoted himself as a professional blackjack player for 20 years. But that whole time he had retirement income that dwarfed what he made playing blackjack and his wife still worked. Is that REALLY a professional player? Not by my definition.

[MDawg]

kewlJ has also been caught in a lot of lies over time, both on this forum and elsewhere. Therefore, it is unclear if he really makes much (or anything) playing blackjack these days.

kewlJ is basically the Boy Who Cried Wolf of these AP forums. He has lied so many times that it's impossible to believe any stories he tells.

[accountinquestion]

Some of this stuff we shouldn't have even known about Bob Dietz. Like the late payment of property taxes, that I believe coach belly looked up. Or who it was that actually paid for that house. But for some odd reason, in his crusade against being anonymous, this Bob Dietz person posted his name address hundreds of times. Even his phone number a handful of times.

He more or less exposed himself as the people almost always do. Singer did the same thing.

EXACT A MUNDO.

I don't want these losers knowing where my mom lives and thus the basement within I dwell. Flood me out like a rat in a sinking ship.

No thanks

[SLaPiNFuNK]

"Advantage Play" is just a way for degenerates to justify their degeneracy.

[mickeycrimm]

"Advantage Play" is just a way for degenerates to justify their degeneracy.

Is ignorance bliss?

[accountinquestion]

Yea, AP is neat but far far from an easy living. Good for people who have a hard time 9 to 5ing but competent otherwise.

Weird comment.. but one has to wonder how many hours sif puts into VP to hit so many big hands.

[redietz]

Cannot an avowed "professional sports bettor" also have a job outside of that, one to pay the bills?

That is a different discussion and one that we have had before haven't we?

The definition of "professional" says something like a specific activity as one's main paid occupation.

If a person is a dealer at a casino, but plays blackjack one day a week on their day off, playing at an advantage, are they a professional gambler or blackjack player? I think any reasonable person would say no.

If a person works any other job 5 days a week and AP's one a week on Saturdays, are they an AP? sure. Are they a professional AP, meaning supports themselves from that? Come on?

Since redietz claims he mostly "specialized" in college football, and only was in Las Vegas 100 days (3-4 months a year), there seems a reasonable chance he did something else back in East Bumblefuck the other 8 months a year, that he just hasn't told us about. Maybe he had a side job working at the East Bumblefuck Gazette. Maybe he delivered Pizzas. And that is all well and good. It isn't mandatory that everyone be a "professional" AP/gambler/player.

But again, I come back to that is not what he lead us to believe all these years. If you say you are a professional anything, doesn't that mean that is how you support yourself or make a living?

I think Billy Walters, who has more money and experience in sports betting than God, hiring someone for their expertise in a particular field, would mildly suggest that the person in mind has sufficient expertise to qualify for all definitions of "professional" that are listed in any dictionary.

Now for kewlJ to publicly state otherwise is, again, clearly litigable. As is the public statement that I somehow "misled" anyone when I have clearly stated in public advertising dating back to 1980 that I am a college football specialist, the demonstration of such resulting in Mr. Walters hiring me after decades of my being monitored and excelling in the Wise Guys competition, in addition to winning some futures money in Las Vegas that put me on the sportsbooks' radar.

What I suggest kewlj do to avoid further defaming me is to clearly quote directly from me so as to define exactly how I "misled" anyone, especially since my initial full-page ad in GamePlan magazine in 1980 clearly established that I was a college football specialist. Any quotes from this forum or any other forum in existence can be used to establish that the poster known as kewlJ is not lying and defaming me. I suggest Todd join in and help find direct quotes that would establish that I was "misleading" people.

Since the title of my business has always been "Bob Dietz's Integrity Sports" so as to separate the venture from various claim artists, and since strict adherence to established monitored numbers and results has, without exception, been the iron-clad protocol for my public statements and appearances, any public suggestion that I have conducted myself in a less than pristine manner is reason for litigation.

The ball, Mr. Witteles, is in your court for the moment.

[accountinquestion]

Pathetic

[Don Perignom]

"Advantage Play" is just a way for degenerates to justify their degeneracy.

The apple didn't fall far from the tree.

[smurgerburger]

The ball is not in Druff's court. The die is not cast. The gauntlet not thrown. The Rubicon lies untraversed.

Handicapper, handicap thyself.

[AxelWolf]

"Advantage Play" is just a way for degenerates to justify their degeneracy.

I don't know how many legitimate Advantage players you know, but that's simply not the case. I'm sure it can apply to a few, but certainly not everyone. That's one thing about Advantage players, there is such a diverse mix of people, and there are so many different types of Advantage players and Advantage play.

[accountinquestion]

"Advantage Play" is just a way for degenerates to justify their degeneracy.

I don't know how many legitimate Advantage players you know, but that's simply not the case. I'm sure it can apply to a few, but certainly not everyone. That's one thing about Advantage players, there is such a diverse mix of people, and there are so many different types of Advantage players and Advantage play.

It is such a goofy thing for him to say. I think it is very much the case that someone who says this sort of thing is far more likely to be projecting their own degeneracy on others.

APing isn't that hard. What is hard is getting a decent hourly to make it worth your time. Anyone can AP just using a few slot machines and knowing a few entry points. Super simple.

[mickeycrimm]

Cannot an avowed "professional sports bettor" also have a job outside of that, one to pay the bills?

That is a different discussion and one that we have had before haven't we?

The definition of "professional" says something like a specific activity as one's main paid occupation.

If a person is a dealer at a casino, but plays blackjack one day a week on their day off, playing at an advantage, are they a professional gambler or blackjack player? I think any reasonable person would say no.

If a person works any other job 5 days a week and AP's one a week on Saturdays, are they an AP? sure. Are they a professional AP, meaning supports themselves from that? Come on?

Since redietz claims he mostly "specialized" in college football, and only was in Las Vegas 100 days (3-4 months a year), there seems a reasonable chance he did something else back in East Bumblefuck the other 8 months a year, that he just hasn't told us about. Maybe he had a side job working at the East Bumblefuck Gazette. Maybe he delivered Pizzas. And that is all well and good. It isn't mandatory that everyone be a "professional" AP/gambler/player.

But again, I come back to that is not what he lead us to believe all these years. If you say you are a professional anything, doesn't that mean that is how you support yourself or make a living?

I think Billy Walters, who has more money and experience in sports betting than God, hiring someone for their expertise in a particular field, would mildly suggest that the person in mind has sufficient expertise to qualify for all definitions of "professional" that are listed in any dictionary.

Now for kewlJ to publicly state otherwise is, again, clearly litigable. As is the public statement that I somehow "misled" anyone when I have clearly stated in public advertising dating back to 1980 that I am a college football specialist, the demonstration of such resulting in Mr. Walters hiring me after decades of my being monitored and excelling in the Wise Guys competition, in addition to winning some futures money in Las Vegas that put me on the sportsbooks' radar.

What I suggest kewlj do to avoid further defaming me is to clearly quote directly from me so as to define exactly how I "misled" anyone, especially since my initial full-page ad in GamePlan magazine in 1980 clearly established that I was a college football specialist. Any quotes from this forum or any other forum in existence can be used to establish that the poster known as kewlJ is not lying and defaming me. I suggest Todd join in and help find direct quotes that would establish that I was "misleading" people.

Since the title of my business has always been "Bob Dietz's Integrity Sports" so as to separate the venture from various claim artists, and since strict adherence to established monitored numbers and results has, without exception, been the iron-clad protocol for my public statements and appearances, any public suggestion that I have conducted myself in a less than pristine manner is reason for litigation.

The ball, Mr. Witteles, is in your court for the moment.

Ditz, Druff aint going to contact you other than he may respond to you right here. He’s already told you to fuck off. Oh, and good luck getting a lawyer involved without a hafty retainer. Any lawyer would know your case is frivolous so will not work for nothing. There won’t be any taking the case on contingency.

The ball is in your court, ditz.

[mickeycrimm]

Ditz bullshit is just another attempt to get people's names. It's a not so clever attempt to dox people. Druff should get rid of him.

[AxelWolf]

"Advantage Play" is just a way for degenerates to justify their degeneracy.

I don't know how many legitimate Advantage players you know, but that's simply not the case. I'm sure it can apply to a few, but certainly not everyone. That's one thing about Advantage players, there is such a diverse mix of people, and there are so many different types of Advantage players and Advantage play.

It is such a goofy thing for him to say. I think it is very much the case that someone who says this sort of thing is far more likely to be projecting their own degeneracy on others.

I was thinking the exact same thing, but I wanted to be nice.