Singer was Wrong. (about everything)

[Rob.Singer]

I don't know how many legitimate Advantage players you know, but that's simply not the case. I'm sure it can apply to a few, but certainly not everyone. That's one thing about Advantage players, there is such a diverse mix of people, and there are so many different types of Advantage players and Advantage play.

It is such a goofy thing for him to say. I think it is very much the case that someone who says this sort of thing is far more likely to be projecting their own degeneracy on others.

I was thinking the exact same thing, but I wanted to be nice.

There's no need to be nice here; it's fun watching others come apart at the seams after a direct-hit insult. The strong survive; the weak wilter. Watching kew self-destruct with his lying after a series of truthful denigrations is truly a joy to behold, and one of the top reasons I stay here.

There is some truth to what Slap's saying. Many many "locals" play in mostly -EV situations for the comps and card status while claiming to be advantage players. They generally lose their weekly allotment then self-value the extras in order to create a "winning overall" scenario--thus justifying their actual cash losses. These are the degenerates, and there are a good many of them.

As for Slap: he plays very similar to how Alan played--he went in, sat down wherever he felt was lucky, and played. And he had the money to do it, at least until near the end. I suspect his son does also. Not all that different from how MrV says he plays, who says he loses overall but has fun and the money to do it.

[accountinquestion]

It is such a goofy thing for him to say. I think it is very much the case that someone who says this sort of thing is far more likely to be projecting their own degeneracy on others.

I was thinking the exact same thing, but I wanted to be nice.

There's no need to be nice here; it's fun watching others come apart at the seams after a direct-hit insult. The strong survive; the weak wilter. Watching kew self-destruct with his lying after a series of truthful denigrations is truly a joy to behold, and one of the top reasons I stay here.

There is some truth to what Slap's saying. Many many "locals" play in mostly -EV situations for the comps and card status while claiming to be advantage players. They generally lose their weekly allotment then self-value the extras in order to create a "winning overall" scenario--thus justifying their actual cash losses. These are the degenerates, and there are a good many of them.

As for Slap: he plays very similar to how Alan played--he went in, sat down wherever he felt was lucky, and played. And he had the money to do it, at least until near the end. I suspect his son does also. Not all that different from how MrV says he plays, who says he loses overall but has fun and the money to do it.

Real APs would never consider someone playing for comps an AP. It is clear - they're playing for comps. They can say well this saves me $X and blah blah but regardless real APs will never consider these people APs.

There is considerable truth to what Slap said TBH. Go hang out in a larger casino and get to know the various slot hustlers. They likely don't get into debates online about whether they're an AP or not but they're surely degenerates. Even most APs are degenerates by the definitions of normal society.

However applying that idea to APs universally just strikes me as bitterness of some sort which likely comes from somewhere...

No one here argues that gambling can't be or isn't fun. It might not be fun to someone personally but we all understand in a general sense that it is fun for many.

But ultimately degenerates who hate the idea of people being able to win at casinos are going to use a definition that suits them.

If Slap only played on VP machines that were positive then he'd be an AP and not a particularly degenerate one. It isn't a profession.

[kewlJ]

"Advantage Play" is just a way for degenerates to justify their degeneracy.

I found this comment by SlapinFunk amusing. You have to remember exactly who he is...Alan's son.

If this comment, were made 3-4 years ago and the person making it was unidentified, it might just have been made by Alan. It is the exact kind of thing he would say. Alan was 100% anti-AP....that is to say he didn't like players that played and won by the math. He resented them. I have never given much thought to as whether Slappy is anti-AP, but lets just say, it appears "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree".

But YOU, just as your father was are alright in my book, slappy. I wish you would participate a little more. At least you are sharing gambling experiences.

[MDawg]

How many times does he need to suffer thru "It just isn't fair that MDawg gets to claim he wins all the time with comps, gifts and special treatment, and he gets support & cover from Benedict Shack and other Richard Potatoes from the gaming forums' group of administrators!" "Can't you people see how much this HURTS me when I can't do anything about it?"

Yes....kew IS the architect of his own suffering. While other disbelievers aren't affected one bit by what MDawg does or says, kew let's it get so far under his skin that it's spelling I AM A FOOL all over his wimpy body

How about some truth about this obsession for a refreshing change. Kew, jdaewoo, keystone and V are all so extraordinarily jealous of the guy because they know he has wealth far beyond anything they will ever see. Kew also despises him for being normal and not being afflicted with that short circuit in his brain. Covering up this ball of envy with rambling posts of "I'm an educator on LV gambling operation, and I say THAT'S NOT HOW THIS CITY WORKS!"

[coach belly]

Go hang out in a larger casino and get to know the various slot hustlers.

[accountinquestion]

Mdawg is right about me being overly verbose over pointless shit. I concede that. I love to debate and argue. Shrug

[SLaPiNFuNK]

"Advantage Play" is just a way for degenerates to justify their degeneracy.

Is ignorance bliss?

there are a lot of people who do use that "its an advantage play" to make an excuse for their gambling.

[Rob.Singer]

Mdawg is right about me being overly verbose over pointless shit. I concede that. I love to debate and argue. Shrug

And you're not very good at it.

You might have a chance against a Don Lemon or Joe Biden, but around here the only one I've seen you win a debate against has been tasha....and just barely.

[accountinquestion]

Mdawg is right about me being overly verbose over pointless shit. I concede that. I love to debate and argue. Shrug

And you're not very good at it.

You might have a chance against a Don Lemon or Joe Biden, but around here the only one I've seen you win a debate against has been tasha....and just barely.

This dementia patient won't be able even find an example of me arguing with Tasha.

Book it

[DGenBen]

"Advantage Play" is just a way for degenerates to justify their degeneracy.

Sure some are some aren’t.

If they were all degenerates casinos would never ban advantage players, yet they frequently do.

It’s the problem with broad generalized statements.

Like saying all liberals are idiots or all Trump supporters are idiots.

Some are some aren’t but not all of them so statements like these have no real meaning.

[mickeycrimm]

If I travel 5000 miles to a casino, go thru every game in that casino looking for an advantage, but can’t find an edge anywhere in the casino…. I’ll turn around and walk right out the door without gambling a dime.

[coach belly]

If I travel 5000 miles to a casino, go thru every game in that casino looking for an advantage, but can’t find an edge anywhere in the casino…. I’ll turn around and walk right out the door without gambling a dime.

Have you ever traveled 5000 miles to a casino, and if you did what was your means of travel?

Young Mendelson did not assert that some (or all) APs are degenerates, or that all (or some) degenerates are APs,
but his assertion that AP "is just a way for degenerates to justify their degeneracy" may be hyperbole.

Mickey...are you, or have you ever been a degenerate gambler?...like an alcoholic is once and forever and alcoholic?

Would you agree that..."Advantage Play is a way for degenerates to justify their degeneracy"?

[Dan Druff]

Sometimes people ask if I'm an AP. I don't consider myself one. But I'm also not a ploppy or a degenerate. I'm in between.

I will always take shots at +EV opportunities, unless there's too much variance to them. I try to revolve most of my gambling around +EV action or at least something close to 0 EV.

I won't just sit and fire at a known -EV situation for the fun of it, unless it's for very small money. I will, however, take a -EV situation in order to generate comps or status I'm likely to want or need, such as Caesars Diamond. But even there I do it optimally.

The truth is that advantage play is boring and tedious, laced with a few moments of excitement or terror. The variance can also be maddening, even if you stick to good spots. And then there's often travel required if you want to do it seriously.

I have made some friends in the AP world and I enjoy their company, and enjoy having conversations with them in text or whatever. Many people who listen to my PFA show are APs. And when opportunities come up, I'll be playing some of the same things as the APs are. It's just not something I actively do.

[mickeycrimm]

If I travel 5000 miles to a casino, go thru every game in that casino looking for an advantage, but can’t find an edge anywhere in the casino…. I’ll turn around and walk right out the door without gambling a dime.

Have you ever traveled 5000 miles to a casino, and if you did what was your means of travel?

Young Mendelson did not assert that some (or all) APs are degenerates, or that all (or some) degenerates are APs,
but his assertion that AP "is just a way for degenerates to justify their degeneracy" may be hyperbole.

Mickey...are you, or have you ever been a degenerate gambler?...like an alcoholic is once and forever and alcoholic?

Would you agree that..."Advantage Play is a way for degenerates to justify their degeneracy"?

There are plenty of examples of degeneracy. Everyone is not created equal. Those that can't stay on the right side of the math are said to have "leaks." Back in the day one of the best slot AP's out there had a problem with horses and dogs. I've known several that once there is a lull in positive plays to be had they can't stay out of action so blow the money off on sucker gambling. It's called "Taking a shot." T.J Cloutier was a great tournament poker player who couldn't stay off the craps table or out of the race book. Consequently, he was always broke. So his buy-ins were paid by backers and his wive gave him an allowance to piss off gambling.

The problem with this statement "Advantage Play is a way for degenerates to justify their degeneracy" is it doesn't make sense. Degenerates don't play with an advantage. They piss their money off to sucker games.

It's been awhile but I used to make 4000 mile laps around the country hitting every casino along the way. We're talking the northwest to the southwest to the south to the midwest to the upper midwest then back to the northwest. There were casinos I didn't find anything so walked right out the door. I go to casinos to make money. No other reason. I don't sucker gamble but everyone else is free to do what they want to do.

[coach belly]

The problem with this statement "Advantage Play is a way for degenerates to justify their degeneracy" is it doesn't make sense. Degenerates don't play with an advantage. They piss their money off to sucker games.

Back in the day one of the best slot AP's out there had a problem with horses and dogs. I've known several that once there is a lull in positive plays to be had they can't stay out of action so blow the money off on sucker gambling.

Were any of the several mentioned above, including the slot AP with a problem with horses and dogs, degenerates, or APs, or both?

[mickeycrimm]

The problem with this statement "Advantage Play is a way for degenerates to justify their degeneracy" is it doesn't make sense. Degenerates don't play with an advantage. They piss their money off to sucker games.

Back in the day one of the best slot AP's out there had a problem with horses and dogs. I've known several that once there is a lull in positive plays to be had they can't stay out of action so blow the money off on sucker gambling.

Were any of the several mentioned above, including the slot AP with a problem with horses and dogs, degenerates, or APs, or both?

They were degenerates that knew some advantage plays. The problem with these types is no win is big enough. They gamble until they are broke. They have no conception of gambling being a tool to create wealth.

There is no doubt that a lot of so called AP’s are degenerates and they fuck things up for for AP’s that are not degenerates.

[mickeycrimm]

"Advantage Play" is just a way for degenerates to justify their degeneracy.

Is ignorance bliss?

there are a lot of people who do use that "its an advantage play" to make an excuse for their gambling.

Of course, but those people are not professionals.

[ZenKinG]

Why the hell are you constantly worried about some dude named Rob Singer. Like I told you privately, I mostly believe your story once I connected a tiny detail, but posts like these and your obsession with these idiots is alarming. These guys are the low of the low. The scum of the scum. Everytime you react to them, they win. They feed off that. Same with Mdawg. Fuck all these people. Fuck discords. Fuck these forums. Tberes verh few legitimate APs out there making 6 figures year in and year out, at least the ones not doing anything shady.

[kewlJ]

Why the hell are you constantly worried about some dude named Rob Singer. Like I told you privately, I mostly believe your story once I connected a tiny detail, but posts like these and your obsession with these idiots is alarming. These guys are the low of the low. The scum of the scum. Everytime you react to them, they win. They feed off that. Same with Mdawg. Fuck all these people. Fuck discords. Fuck these forums. Tberes verh few legitimate APs out there making 6 figures year in and year out, at least the ones not doing anything shady.

ZK, of course you are right that I shouldn’t be so concerned about Singer and dawg. Just like YOU shouldn’t do all the venting that you have done. You have been a little better BTW. We all have our issues and things that are a big waste of time and effort.

[MDawg]

A lightning MDawg copy/paste versus…

KJ keeps trying to manually rephrase the same old nervous essays over and over. Can you imagine how much time and angst that takes?

In sum, there’s really no way UNKewlJ does much more than live on the internet. Of course he doesn’t claim to have ever done much either (booted out of his own familial home, high school dropout, homeless) but still, he could have at least done something with his life other than spent it trying to convince (unsuccessfully) about a dozen people over and over every day all day that he’s not lying (again).

The truth is … UNKewlJ hasn’t spent 20 years playing blackjack. He’s spent 20 years trying to convince people that he’s been playing blackjack.