KJ BJ expert?

[accountinquestion]

I know tons of people counted cards and fucked with it at some point in their life. Being a weekend warriors counter counts great. As a profession now? Lol

So a weekend warrior card counter is ok. But professional card counter is not, in your book.

I have news for you mate, for the last 4 years, I am both.

"mate". Again, you're not Australian.

I have this distinct impression you put on a fake accent when you go out in the real world.

Anything one enjoys that is fun is and not a vice is good. If you are counting at +EV then there is no downside. Making money while having fun. Thats hard to do. You would need to be absolutely insane to want to do that for 10+ years for 30+ hours a week. Insane non-stop concentration. Like... man there are better places to apply yourself.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure my point is obvious. You're just flailing about saying random shit to get attention.

Relying on counting for your bread and butter? lmao. There is a guy I follow on twitter. He's getting out in the world and traveling around. Maximizing his EV. He actually seems to have a pretty interesting life and does well but I also believe he talks about not doing it for years. Thats what a sharp person would do.

However - if you don't mind the monotony and variance of it for a full time job, are able to stay in action, etc, then great for you. Thats why you're "kewl" J.

The one guy we know of that is a counter on the style of Kewlj is Zenking. According to you he's just a normal guy who rants like anyone. I see something totally different. Quality poster. Expressive. Interesting posts but happy? ... lol

[kewlJ]

People that count cards for a living or even part-time supplementing other income are a special breed that you acctinQ can never understand.

It is about the money. We wouldn't do it with no money involved. But it is about more than JUST the money. WE like beating the casino by such a method. Figuring out how to play to keep playing. Playing the cat and mouse game (although that get tiresome). At the end of the year, good year or year below expectation, I love sitting back and thinking I have beat the casino for another year.

And every single one of us, whether they do so professionally or the majority of their income, or what I call "professional level", for some smaller supplemental part of their income, could do something else for that same money at less hassle if we chose. And many do move on to other things, both inside and outside of gambling, but those that stick with it enjoy winning this way.

Who the fuck are you acctinQ to tell us what is or isn't acceptable to you?

[kewlJ]

The one guy we know of that is a counter on the style of Kewlj is Zenking. According to you he's just a normal guy who rants like anyone. I see something totally different. Quality poster. Expressive. Interesting posts but happy? ... lol

Never said any of that. I don't know Zenking. I have no idea how "normal", nor how happy he is. Although people that know him have said he is very different than when he rants on the forum. All I have said about Zenking, is that he very definitely knows what he is doing in regards to card counting. And whether he has moved on from it now or not, could at any time go back to supporting himself from it.

I was critical of some of his ranting posts. Go back and read. Especially the parts where the whole world is or was against him. But the venting itself is not unusual among fulltime or "professional level" card counters. Because the edge is so slim and the variance so huge, a player can and WILL go long periods of losing. That can be frustrating and sometimes we need to vent a little. To a spouse, significant other, friend or even on a gambling forum. It is NOT that unusual.

[accountinquestion]

People that count cards for a living or even part-time supplementing other income are a special breed that you acctinQ can never understand.

It is about the money. We wouldn't do it with no money involved. But it is about more than JUST the money. WE like beating the casino by such a method. Figuring out how to play to keep playing. Playing the cat and mouse game (although that get tiresome). At the end of the year, good year or year below expectation, I love sitting back and thinking I have beat the casino for another year.

And every single one of us, whether they do so professionally or the majority of their income, or what I call "professional level", for some smaller supplemental part of their income, could do something else for that same money at less hassle if we chose. And many do move on to other things, both inside and outside of gambling, but those that stick with it enjoy winning this way.

Who the fuck are you acctinQ to tell us what is or isn't acceptable to you?

I love how you want soooo bad to be part of the bj counter identity. You start using the royal "we".

I can "never understand" because you and Zenking are just so unique. <eyeroll>

It is about the money. Clue bus incoming - all jobs are about the money. Most people don't want a job where you show up and are randomly fired and put on some sort of no-work list. In your world though thats all cool beans. Maybe because that isn't your actual situation?

You don't have much clue about gambling because you'd understand the distinction between someone who counts as their primary income vs someone who does it some times as a supplemental thing. Poker has the same concept as do all forms of gambling. I can give you my observation on which group seems almost universally happier.

Just like you want to keep everyone clueful about the big lies of Singer and Mdawg - I want to point out of the obviousness of what it means to be a professional card counter in this day and age. I get it though - you're "Kewl" J and you gotta be "kewl" and what I'm selling is far from it.

[kewlJ]

Do you know what one of my favorite parts of card counting is? It is coming through a huge negative swing. Don't have as many long down turns as I used to or at least haven't the past couple years, but when you are at xxx amount for the year and then hit a losing period of weeks, months, dropping 30-40-50K and then play through that back to where you started and then the next thing you know, 2 weeks later you are up 30k from that xxx spot.

It reaffirms that the math works, and I have the skill, temperament to ride the rollercoaster and win long-term. That is very fulfilling to me.

[MDawg]

Don't you realize everyone clowns on you and those who don't basically do it out of pity or possibly out of some desire to not help mdawg?

[kewlJ]

I can "never understand" because you and Zenking are just so unique. <eyeroll>

WRONG!! Zenking and I are NOT unique. Just so happens that on this little bity forum we are the two members that share a little bit about the card counting we do. There have been other but they never last long here. Recently Half Smoke has spoken up which I welcome.

But you go over to WoV and there are 8-10 "professional level" card counters like Zenking and I (maybe more counting all different levels). Go to a BJ forum like Norms and there are.30+. Granted there are far fewer than there used to be, but we are not the rare unicorns you make us out to be.

The weird part to me isn't how unique or "rare" we are, but this judgement crap from you?

[kewlJ]

Don't you realize everyone clowns on you and those who don't basically do it out of pity or possibly out of some desire to not help mdawg?

Dawg you are just completely irrelevant to any real discussion. This discussion isn't all bad. Some reasonable elements to it.

But you Dawg can't even contribute (other than your usual trolling) because you are not a real card counter or winning player. You are a guy that gambles, loses, gets comped for his losses, while making up a story about how he wins and how great he is and how rich he is. There is something seriously wrong with you dude!

[MisterV]

The weird part to me isn't how unique or "rare" we are, but this judgement crap from you?

KJ, AIQ posts because he's bored.

Much like Coach Belly and myself he has little to add to any detailed gambling discussion other than to argue.

It's more like he pisses in the pot than simply stirring it.

[accountinquestion]

Do you know what one of my favorite parts of card counting is? It is coming through a huge negative swing. Don't have as many long down turns as I used to or at least haven't the past couple years, but when you are at xxx amount for the year and then hit a losing period of weeks, months, dropping 30-40-50K and then play through that back to where you started and then the next thing you know, 2 weeks later you are up 30k from that xxx spot.

It reaffirms that the math works, and I have the skill, temperament to ride the rollercoaster and win long-term. That is very fulfilling to me.

That is gambling in general. Someone is going get shithouse lucky and someone is going to be shithouse unlucky. There is luck in everything we do but gambling puts it to the forefront.

Personally I hate being miserable on a prolonged downswing. When you don't rely on the gambling as your only source of income then things are far different.

I've often thought about it.. there is some gambler out there who is literally the most unlucky person in the history of man. And no matter what he does, he just runs bad. Poker is like BJ in that you have to be honest to yourself about your errors. You can't just sit back and say to yourself "the math will even this out". You have to be able to analyze your play and make corrections or come to the realization that you should just quit.

Regardless, I don't do well with big downswings. It is harder in poker because you may not have tools to objectively tell whether you're playing bad. I ran bad in the early days of online poker and kinda went off for years wasting time on a side project that did nothing. Friends who were more talented and such kept at it and minted during those early years. Oh well.

BTW the math doesn't say you'll have an upswing to bring it back up. The only real thing you can do is just not overly spend money when it is coming in under some delusionment that your EV is far higher than it actually is due to running good. Thats a big downfall in gamblers.

Regardless for guys like you and Zenking who keep at it - it says a lot about your grit and determination. It might also speak to how you have few options otherwise but .. regardless most can't handle that.

[accountinquestion]

The weird part to me isn't how unique or "rare" we are, but this judgement crap from you?

KJ, AIQ posts because he's bored.

Much like Coach Belly and myself he has little to add to any detailed gambling discussion other than to argue.

It's more like he pisses in the pot than simply stirring it.

I shit in the pot and then when I get up and see your nose peeking out from the depths and I'm like oh shit I did it again. I shat right on MisterVs brown nose.


whatever this means....

[accountinquestion]

Another thing that seems to make pro-gamblers succeed is to just be a huge action junky but coupled with talent and some discipline. If you somehow enjoy the grind and keep at it....

Look at someone like Phil Ivey. Many guys out there have his level of talent but how many of them want to go chase around games all their life? I was recently told how Keith Lehr operates. Holy shit that is impressive but I'm not sure if it is public knowledge. Then there are plenty of poker players who make their nut and move on.

There is also an argument that not enjoying gambling makes a good pro poker player. Then they have to at least love money.. or they'll just move on.

my 2 cents.

[kewlJ]

I've often thought about it.. there is some gambler out there who is literally the most unlucky person in the history of man.

I don't buy that. I mean, I guess there has to be a luckiest and unluckiest, but mostly the people that think they are unlucky and always bitching about some kind of bad beat (that is what you guys call it right) or bad run (in blackjack) are more likely players with some major holes in their games.

And that "no other options" nonsense is such bullshit. Anyone that makes any kind of decent money card counting, could make more doing something else. I have a college degree despite the propaganda you repeat. Zenking, I know went to college. I assume he graduated has a degree. Don't really know or care as it is none of my business. Why do you do this shit?

Again, you just don't get that we as card counters and other APs choose what we do.

I will say this one final time: Anyone that has made decent money from card counting or any other forum of AP, enough to support themselves for a period of time, could make more money doing something else. We all have options.

[kewlJ]

my 2 cents.

Probably why they stopped production of pennies. Your 2 cents isn't worth two cents.

I am going to say something here that you are not going to like AcctinQ. And I really am not saying it to be mean to you. It is just my observation.

I see a lot of Mdawg in you. You put down other for what they do. Judge others. While all the time telling us how well you have done, how great you are. How much better you are.

Dawg does it because he is a complete insecure narcissist. He really is a fucked up dude. I am not sure it is the same with you. I think like MrV said, it is just fun and games (entertainment) to you.

But I hope (doubt) you will step back and take a look. Why are you so fucking judgmental of everyone else? And it is not just me, you have done so with Zenking and half Smoke as well JUST today. Are you this insecure or unhappy or what not? If so, find something that makes you happy besides this shit.

But I can't be the thing or person your world revolves around. I am tired of that shit. So have a good day, holiday season and life.

And just to come full circle, if you REALLY believe Bob Dietz, a guy who doesn't even understand EV is a college football expert, then your judgement is worse than I thought. An "expert" wouldn't need to sell picks. He wouldn't need other peoples money.

[accountinquestion]

I've often thought about it.. there is some gambler out there who is literally the most unlucky person in the history of man.

I don't buy that. I mean, I guess there has to be a luckiest and unluckiest, but mostly the people that think they are unlucky and always bitching about some kind of bad beat (that is what you guys call it right) or bad run (in blackjack) are more likely players with some major holes in their games.

And that "no other options" nonsense is such bullshit. Anyone that makes any kind of decent money card counting, could make more doing something else. I have a college degree despite the propaganda you repeat. Zenking, I know went to college. I assume he graduated has a degree. Don't really know or care as it is none of my business. Why do you do this shit?

Again, you just don't get that we as card counters and other APs choose what we do.

I will say this one final time: Anyone that has made decent money from card counting or any other forum of AP, enough to support themselves for a period of time, could make more money doing something else. We all have options.

You don't even understand how gambling/luck works. All you know is "it is the math" and have been told it averages out in the long run. There are clearly people who run severely under expectation for much of their life. Just like there are the guys who hit the 7 figure lick. That little thing you have no control over is what makes or breaks many gamblers. You get lucky when you bump up stakes then you can be set. Run bad and you're put back in life a year or more.

Lol Kewl. You have so few clues outside of what you read. Thats why you say whackadoodle shit once you start to lie outside of what you've read on the internet. Lots of people "go to college".. and in your world that just opens up all sorts of opportunities. okey dokey feller.

I'm pretty sure I've known far more "APs" than you have if you only count interacting with them in person. Also - at the higher levels of poker and such you start to run into APs who are ahead of the curve of what internet guys like you understand to exist. This "you don't know us" is such bullshit. You're bullshit. stop it. I'm not close to Phil Ivey's level but I've played many times in the high limit games in Vegas casinos. I doubt you even know what mixed games are.... you'd have to go off and google them. That I can guarantee.

[accountinquestion]

my 2 cents.

Probably why they stopped production of pennies. Your 2 cents isn't worth two cents.

I am going to say something here that you are not going to like AcctinQ. And I really am not saying it to be mean to you. It is just my observation.

I see a lot of Mdawg in you. You put down other for what they do. Judge others. While all the time telling us how well you have done, how great you are. How much better you are.

Dawg does it because he is a complete insecure narcissist. He really is a fucked up dude. I am not sure it is the same with you. I think like MrV said, it is just fun and games (entertainment) to you.

But I hope (doubt) you will step back and take a look. Why are you so fucking judgmental of everyone else? And it is not just me, you have done so with Zenking and half Smoke as well JUST today. Are you this insecure or unhappy or what not? If so, find something that makes you happy besides this shit.

But I can't be the thing or person your world revolves around. I am tired of that shit. So have a good day, holiday season and life.

And just to come full circle, if you REALLY believe Bob Dietz, a guy who doesn't even understand EV is a college football expert, then your judgement is worse than I thought. An "expert" wouldn't need to sell picks. He wouldn't need other peoples money.

No, you get on my nerves and I hate big phonies. Again, you lied to me and made up some complete bullshit story but you put in a ton of effort to be credible so people would believe you. I gave you a chance to retract and you said 'fuck off'. Ok, so here we are. I just don't want others believing your bullshit - just like you don't want others believing Singer and Mdawg.

You can barely understand how your toilet works. I don't care about your analysis of me but keep trying as it is amusing.

I don't know why you'd think Robert Dietz isn't an expert on college football. But again, you don't seem to know how a lot of this world works ... so...

Do you really not realize that being an expert on college football is not the same as having prowess as a gambler?

My life revolves around you but you're starting up new threads to interact with me.. lol. I made one simple statement.

[kewlJ]

I am not going to keep rehashing the shuffle machine situation. I am confident it will all come out in the next year or two as these lawsuits get underway and progress. Everyone in gambling understands that these machines have the capability to cheat because of the camera inside. And anyone who thinks there haven't been incidents of cheating is an idiot. How widespread and often...that we will find out.

You have a funny definition of expert. This is a gambling forum. Any definition of expert has to do with the ability to make money at whatever you are supposed to be an expert at. You are saying Dietz is an expert at college football but he can't make money at it without selling something. What kind of expert is that. I guess we could call on him when picking our fantasy teams.

By that same token, Rob Singer has played a lot of VP. Does that make him an expert? The guy endured bankruptcies, and evictions and legal judgements at the time he claimed to be making lots of money on math defying "special plays". So he made no money from VP. The dude lived in a trailer park in Pahrump at the height of his silly claims. So is he an "expert" in your book.

You have a very funny definition of expert. I can tell you this much, after the Deitz's comments on EV, you will be hard pressed to find anyone else considering him an expert. How the fuck can you be an expert when you clearly don't understand the most basic concept.

What this boils down to acctinQ, what it always boils down to is you have decided you don't like me. (you proved it again in your above post). And that is fine. I am not running for miss congeniality. But you obsess and distort and lie about everything in an attempt to belittle me. And that is all this "redietz is an expert" thing was. You no more believe someone that doesn't understand EV is an expert that jumping over the moon. You just wanted to take a dig at me.

Get over it mate.

[accountinquestion]

I am not going to keep rehashing the shuffle machine situation. I am confident it will all come out in the next year or two as these lawsuits get underway and progress. Everyone in gambling understands that these machines have the capability to cheat because of the camera inside. And anyone who thinks there haven't been incidents of cheating is an idiot. How widespread and often...that we will find out.

You have a funny definition of expert. This is a gambling forum. Any definition of expert has to do with the ability to make money at whatever you are supposed to be an expert at. You are saying Dietz is an expert at college football but he can't make money at it without selling something. What kind of expert is that. I guess we could call on him when picking our fantasy teams.

By that same token, Rob Singer has played a lot of VP. Does that make him an expert? The guy endured bankruptcies, and evictions and legal judgements at the time he claimed to be making lots of money on math defying "special plays". So he made no money from VP. The dude lived in a trailer park in Pahrump at the height of his silly claims. So is he an "expert" in your book.

You have a very funny definition of expert. I can tell you this much, after the Deitz's comments on EV, you will be hard pressed to find anyone else considering him an expert. How the fuck can you be an expert when you clearly don't understand the most basic concept.

You intentionally refuse to properly interpret the things you read. Smurger was right. I didn't realize it. You aren't actually this obtuse. It is just that reality has such little value to you that you go off on these weird tangents about made up shit. It is no different than you talking about your life. I said exactly what I meant and the fact this is a gambling forum doesn't do much to change that. I've restated this multiple times now. And you can act like you don't understand multiple times.

Anyway, these other guys feel sorry for you because of your need to lie and live a pretend fantasy life. I have a surplus of sympathy in some ways but it sure isn't for you.

Any definition of expert has to do with the ability to make money at whatever you are supposed to be an expert at. <- lol.

Get help.

[kewlJ]

You can tell when AcctinQ knows he has lost or come off badly in a discussion. He immediately gets nasty and goes to his "get help" nasty shit.

That is such a troll play.

[accountinquestion]

You can tell when AcctinQ knows he has lost or come off badly in a discussion. He immediately gets nasty and goes to his "get help" nasty shit.

That is such a troll play.

Seriously as I can be. Get help.

Clearly you don't want to hear it but thats so often the case.

I still would love to know the reasoning as to why you'd go to play higher limits at fewer hours due to OSN. The higher you go the more they're going to sweat the action. If you're at a table with bigger bettors then they'll be watching that table and you will be a byproduct and unintentionally targeted person. Like... if they're watching the fucking table and tracking the count then it is pretty easy to see the guy 2 seats over is raising his bet when the count is high. When you do some weird move when the count is off and the pitboss/dealer yells out "hard hit soft 17" or whatever the fuck - that is easy to avoid and whatever. "cover play". When they actually have someone counting cards to investigate someone else - it doesn't matter much that you're a smaller bettor as they've already done 95% of the work. (determining a count) Just fast forward/rewind a few minutes and see ... like.. with a fast system it should be pretty easy to hop around an find the base bet and when you upped it. The guys the best at this are likely going to be at these shifts.

Is having that type of security at high limit BJ that can count in LV not a thing?

Where is my thinking wrong?


And while it is likely questionable to put such resources on a red chip game, it'll be quite obvious the value of such countermeasures when it is a green or blackchip table. Like ... I just don't see this as a solution to be a longetivity based player.

Does anyone else know Kewl's reasoning here?

IMO more likely being a red chip bj counter wasn't "kewl" enough so he had the up the stakes like he has been known to do.