KJ BJ expert?

[MisterV]

Gotta wonder...would he walk a mile for a camel?

[MDawg]

He'd rather climb to the top of a tree just to tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth.

[kewlJ]

What could possible show more mental illness (insecurity and narcissism) than a spoiled dude, born into SOME money (not as much as he pretends), given every advantage in life who is still a major failure/fuckup and spend all his time trying to tell such a ridiculous story of winnings and riches, that not a single person believes?

Seriously Dawg, what could possible demonstrate more mental illness than this?

[MDawg]

KJ is different because (1) I initially believed him, more or less, and (2) he is imo a complete fraud. I don't mean a liar, I mean a complete fraud, like catfish style. And that is not something you see every day and is really kind of fascinating.

[kewlJ]

Gotta wonder...would he walk a mile for a camel?

He doesn't have to. Just has to roll over in bed.

[MDawg]

KJ lies because it fits in the drama he wishes to surround himself with.

[kewlJ]

This thread should good viewing for Dan Druff. If I am trolled, which I constantly am, I troll back. I fight back some of the lies repeatedly told about me.

BUT I also contribute a lot of useful knowledge about blackjack. Knowledge that can help others players improve their game if there are any here looking to. And Knowledge that in no uncertain terms proves to anyone that isn't just trolling, that I know what the fuck I am talking about and I know this from experience as a professional AP.

But it won't matter. I am the problem according to Druff. Dawg contributing nothing except trolling and attacking is not the problem. Coach belly, who has been labeled a troll by every forum administrator including Druff is not the problem. AccountinQ who at once time was a good and normal poster but now has joined the nothing-but-TROLL brigade talking shit he knows nothing about isn't the problem. I am the problem.

You really should consider making some changed Druff, because this anything goes "free speech" isn't working. It just empowers trolls and haters to make up whatever they want. And I am not saying you should ban anyone. Just put some limits and restrictions so these assholes don't ruin EVERY fucking thread and discussion. You don't allow them to ruin your threads with this kind of shit. Why are the rest of us not entitled to the same?

And while you are at it...bring back Boz. #FreeBoz At least on this site.

Happy Hanukkah Druff and the rest of our Jewish friends.

[coach belly]

If a regular player openly puts away some chips into his pockets as incentive to not play them, that is NOT rat-holing.

If a player scoops chips off one table, conceals them, and change tables, initially placing a fraction of those chips on the new table, then the concealed remaining chips are ratholed chips...especially if he ends up wagering them.

It doesn't matter what the circumstances, intentions or incentives are...ratholing is an action (verb) not a noun.

we don't plop down $8000 on the table as coach belly tried to say. We will make numerous smaller buy-ins, in combination with chip entry (chip inventory) instead.

It doesn't matter whether you place the entire $8K on the table at once or in increments, the pit takes note of your table stake.

You're fixated on the $8K figure, even though you wrote earlier that your preferred starting session stake is $12K - $24K, which would require identification should the cash portion exceed $10K, and attract scrutiny if you use concealed chips to increase your bet.

It's not certain that the pit would permit an attempt to conceal chips while playing, as it manipulates chip counts and can complicate cash-outs.

[kewlJ]

You're fixated on the $8K figure, even though you wrote earlier that your preferred starting session stake is $12K - $24K, which would require identification should the cash portion exceed $10K, and attract scrutiny if you use concealed chips to increase your bet.

NEVER SAID "prefered starting session stake" of anything.

I said I will not start a session without 15x max bet available. Read that last word again....AVAILABLE!! That doesn't mean I am putting that on the table or declaring anything.

What all you people, you troll people have in common is the dishonest twisting and manipulation of what was said. It really gets tired.

[coach belly]

Dawg is not the problem. Coach belly is not the problem. AccountinQ isn't the problem. I am the problem.

That's very insightful.

Have you been in therapy, getting the help that everyone encourages you to seek?

[coach belly]

I said I will not start a session without 15x max bet available. Read that last word again....AVAILABLE!!

Below are linked quotes, and a matter of record.

My max bet is between $800 and $1200

I don't want start a session with less than 15 x max bet. 20 is even better.

[MDawg]

MDawg has his challenge available for any session that is in dispute. Really for forums it doesn't get anymore stand up than that.

I'd say the only thing that happened today is it rained bad news for you. Make sure everything is elevated on milk crates in your tunnel abode so it doesn't wash away.

[accountinquestion]

It is kind of funny to see the trolls jump out of bed and start trolling with comments about shit they know nothing about. I guess I should cut Acct some slack as he doesn't play blackjack and so he doesn't know much about what he is talking about. My only question is why is he still arguing and insisting then? And Dawg, while he plays, is a losing player (except in his fiction stories). So he doesn't have to worry about evaluations and backoffs and other counter-measure.

Just as a courtesy, I will clear some things up about what I previously shared about how I play, since they clowns are conflating everything. Wont matter as they will say whatever the fuck they want anyway. For 10 years here in Vegas, I played what I call the local circuit. That would be casinos like the 6 Stations casinos, Fiestas (now closed), Boyd properties, South Point, Silverton, a couple downtown properties and several just off strip properties, like Palms, Westgate, OYO (hooter). A few even smaller places mixed in but the group mentioned were the jist of it. You will note no strip properties for various reasons, although there was one that was in my primary rotation.

So when playing these properties, my max bet was in the $400 range, staying below the key threshold of $500. You also couldn't go much higher than that at these type places during the week or you would really stand out. Now the play style as I often shared was very short sessions. You leave at the shuffle after showing max bet (maybe 2 cycles on double deck), which almost makes it impossible for surveillance to gather the information they need in the time you are at the table. About the time they are seeing your spread, you have left or are leaving.

Now about 5 years ago, in part due to some mistakes from me, I found several entries in OSN. I was getting more backoffs and heat and it wasn't going away. I decided I needed to completely re-invent how I played for a period until things cooled down. Maybe a year or two (it has been 4+ now). So I started playing bigger (strip) casinos, during busier times, playing higher stakes, but ONLY at tables with other players playing the same or bigger stakes. I call this playing in the shadow of....

Playing slower games during busier times means you aren't playing the VERY short sessions like I was before. BUT YOU DONT NEED TO as it takes longer for an evaluation. I guess this is where I should explain a little more about the evaluation process since these clowns have no clue how it works. (and why would they, one doesn't play blackjack and one is a losing player that the casino love and aren't running evaluations on )

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First, accountinQ mentioned evaluating the whole table at once. While that technology is certainly available, when casinos did a version of this, during the Mind play fiasco, the end ruling prohibited them from doing so in real times. They had to implement a 20-30 round delay to avoid the ability to cheat by then feeding the count information down to the floor to shuffle away the good counts. So it is illegal to do what accountinQ suggested. Do some still do it? That I can't say.

So the way the evaluation works is they evaluate one player at a times comparing wagers (betting more) to the count. But it isn't so simple as count rises, player increases his wager...BOOM, he is a counter. Many other players, like players chasing losses or players parlaying wins raise wagers, and the casinos don't want to wrongly back them up. So the 'check" to this is most casino want to see a second cycle of the player raising with the count. I rarely give them that second cycle.

Now what these nitwits have jumped on, thinking a discrepancy is the short sessions. Playing the local circuit, this all happened more quickly. I needed to be out after 30 minutes, to be sure I was gone before they got what they needed. Playing busier times with the game moving much slower (and the information collecting process moving much slower), the whole process is much slower. So the sessions aren't as quick. It can take several shoes before the count even moves at all and the process begins!

So there you have it girls (dawg and account). Good try but wrong again....not that it stops you from arguing what you don't know about.

You're not really worth engaging with when I'm not bored. You have lied about sooo much that is blatantly known and beyond obvious. No one takes you seriously no matter how hard you try.

And clearly oh boy do you try.

Everyone can agree you know a lot about blackjack. Are you as big of an expert in blackack as redietz is in college football? I still believe Redietz is considerably more of an expert but again - who knows?

Does this mean either of you make a living at it?

Maybe. Maybe not. I don't care. Being a really successful pro gambler is impressive. Being a subsistence gambler is not so much. Anyway, I'm done with this.


ALthough interesting angle about evaluating counds with computer programs. It'd be interesting to know how that works but shrug. "20 to 30 round delay"? A round being a hand? So is it 20 or 30? Where are these rulings found at? Show us something new and interesting, Kewl.

[accountinquestion]

One other small detail. I said evaluation come from the floor, with the pit calling up to trigger the evaluation. That is the most common procedure. But some casinos it is initiated upstairs in surveillance (or what acctQ calls the security room ).

It is another one of those things that a real player learns.....makes it his business to figure out and learn. And it isn't that hard to figure out. When calling for an evaluation someone in the pit picks up the phone to call upstairs. Now everytime someone picks up a phone they aren't calling for an evaluation, there are chip fills and various other reasons the go to the phone. But these guys aren't all that subtle. When they call for an evaluation they usually are looking right at the table and player. Maybe because they need to say Table 14, seat 5. But, I often wonder if they even realize they are doing this.

If the security room is not upstairs and in a back office what does a real AP call it?

[accountinquestion]

You have left, or are leaving, or you go play VP rated for 6 hours, accumulating or cashing in millions of dollars of freeplay.

And the trolls just keep TRYING.

This is precisely why my partner handled the VP machine play, or most of it anyway, so there could be no tracking me to a machine and information.

On the occasions I handled some of the machine play, I rarely mixed blackjack and machine play at the same casino on the same day. Admittedly, several times I did mix, but would separate the two plays with lunch or a period of time, so if anyone was tracking me, they would have had to really put some effort into it. And if I did mix the two with say a break for lunch in between, it would be because the blackjack session was rather uneventful. I would NEVER go play a machine in the same day after a BJ session that was "eventful" and might draw some attention.

You people have played your games for years....decades now. I have MORE than proven over and over, what I do. And still you can't accept it and troll. At some point I would think you would decide "yeah, I guess the guy is what he says. I don't like him, but he knows what he is talking about".

But that isn't the troll way is it?

Real APs always talk about doing some "machine play" .. after their 6x rollover is completed for the day. cha-ching

[smurgerburger]

One of those stealth 100-400 OYO players blending in with all the black chip action they get there.

[kewlJ]

I am sorry, these latest posts by Account and smurgy aren't even interesting or worthy enough for me to reply.

But you girls do what you need to do.

[accountinquestion]

I am sorry, these latest posts by Account and smurgy aren't even interesting or worthy enough for me to reply.

But you girls do what you need to do.

ALthough interesting angle about evaluating counds with computer programs. It'd be interesting to know how that works but shrug. "20 to 30 round delay"? A round being a hand? So is it 20 or 30? Where are these rulings found at? Show us something new and interesting, Kewl.

A very legitimate question which you can answer if you want people to take you more seriously. Again, what you said makes sense. Like the delay in livestreaming for poker is similar. Casinos being able to shuffle early off the count .. but you could also have dealers do. It'd be hard but doable. They don't have to get hte count that straight.

It is interesting the ruling is based around "rounds"? And not timed? Who would ever count the rounds to know? seems like a weird way to come up with something but it was a "ruling"...

Which I guess came about when some counter made an issue with gaming? So this would be possible in other jurisdictions that this system exists but Kewl is exploiting this ruling in LV and happens to be one of the reasons he stays in LV.

Tell us what you know, Kewl.

[kewlJ]

AcctinQ, explain to me why you think I should do your homework for you? I know the things I talk about because it is my business to know things like this associated with what I do for a living. If you want to know details, even trying to catch me in something the very least you can do is google Mindplay or mindplay blackjack and read what it says.

But as a courtesy, I will point you to the announcement of the case in the LV Sun.

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2004/oc...unting-system/

Now that was just the start of the case. I am sure you can find something about the resolution of the case. There is or was a pretty detailed write up of it at BJ21 because Al Rogers long-time Vegas Blackjack player that goes by LVBear, ran Wong's BJ21 for him, and Al Rogers became deeply involved in the case. I know a lot about the case, which was really slightly before my time from speaking privately with Al Rogers and others involved.

The case ended in a manor that met no ones satisfaction. I don't believe there was any payday for anyone who filed the case. I don't think there was any major fine to any casinos either as there should have been. (Possibly a slap on the wrist type fine).

All that really happened was Gaming said, you can't use this technology any more without a 20 or 30 round (I forget which) delay, making the technology useless and all casino that were using it stopped and it just faded away.

Acct, just stop! You are being pathetic. You are doing the coach belly shit. Is THAT really who you are?

[MDawg]

There are two reasons why UNKewlJ’s stories are so bland and generic. One is because he’s lying. He can’t flesh out what he never did and simply lifted from what he read or heard. The second is that he has all the personality of a wooden rocking chair and couldn’t come up with much interesting to say period.