Homework? I have some vague interest in this but not enough to go down a rabbithole on my own. Stupid analogy. You perpetually whine about how there are no people wanting to talk about real things. Do you want to stand on your head or feet? Figure it out bro. Stop being so stupid.Originally Posted by kewlJ
Nothing to do with coach belly. You're just a freak and get treated by so many people in similar fashions because of your nonsense.
The above quotes have come from the first 8 pages of the Mdawg adventure thread. There are 98 more pages to go. And I haven't even gotten to posts by MrV and some others of which there is plenty of material.
Mdawg has done nothing but troll with quotes for years now. Contributes absolutely nothing. Hijacks and ruins every gambling discussion. I don't know why Druff allows it.
I think I just showed I could stoop to that level and take this forum even further into the shithole. But I am not going to do that. I have too much respect for Druff, even though he continues to allow dawg to do so.
Bottom line continues to be that this little bratty bitch Mdawg is a troll. He is a spoiled brat, who grew into a spoiled man who likes to gamble, LOSES, and is comped accordingly. he tried to make a ridiculous story claiming otherwise, but the advantage players and real gamblers on multiple forum all called him out. And then he got nasty and started trolling, like the bratty bitch he still is as an older man. And yes, he is an older man. Look at his hands. They are the hands of a fatter, older man. (as even Singer noted) And those pictures are 6 years old!
RIP to the great "adventure".
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Oh shut it dickhead. It is a perfect analogy. You have turned into coach belly! I challenge you to go back and read your own posts from 4-5 years ago. You were a normal, good poster and contributor to this forum. Now you do nothing but troll and challenge me. And I have way more than proven I know what the fuck I am talking about, and it is from experience of being exactly what I claim I am.Originally Posted by accountinquestionHomework? I have some vague interest in this but not enough to go down a rabbithole on my own. Stupid analogy. You perpetually whine about how there are no people wanting to talk about real things. Do you want to stand on your head or feet? Figure it out bro. Stop being so stupid.Originally Posted by kewlJ
Nothing to do with coach belly. You're just a freak and get treated by so many people in similar fashions because of your nonsense.
Grow up! be a man. Say "I dont like you but I guess you are what you claim". Anything short of that and you are just a peon of a man.
Expected Value is NOT an opinion.
Half Smoke, if you are reading, I came across this post while looking through some old threads. It is kind of funny as my brother and I and my pit boss friend, who also counts cards, had almost this exact discussion thanksgiving night. I would like to hear your thoughts. The question was posed this way.Originally Posted by Half Smoke
6 deck game, 75% penetration (4.5 decks). so 2 decks in (4 remaining) the running count is +8, for a true count of +2 or about a half percent advantage after the offset. After another deck is played, now 3 decks played, 3 remaining, the running count remains +8, for a true count of almost +3 or about a 1% advantage. Another deck gets played, now 4 played and 2 remaining. The running count remains at +8, for a TC of +4. Now about a 1.5% advantage. And finally, you get to the shuffle point and the running count remains +8.
So all that time the player thought he was playing at an advantage anywhere from .5% to 1.5%. But was he? The running count never moved. from +8. So those last 2.5 decks were played through at a zero count. and zero count is a house edge of half percent (depending on the game and rules).
So for those 2.5 decks played from the 2 deck mark to the shuffle was the player playing at a .5 disadvantage or a .5-1.5 advantage as the count suggested?
I have given this a lot of thought since that night and I have come up with an answer (probably wrong). I would like to hear what you think before I share it.
Happy Holidays. KJ
Anyone else is free to offer a serious answer as well.
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I asked you about things. It isn't my fault you've lied about so much that simple questions bother you. 4 to 5 years ago I believed your nonsense.Originally Posted by kewlJOh shut it dickhead. It is a perfect analogy. You have turned into coach belly! I challenge you to go back and read your own posts from 4-5 years ago. You were a normal, good poster and contributor to this forum. Now you do nothing but troll and challenge me. And I have way more than proven I know what the fuck I am talking about, and it is from experience of being exactly what I claim I am.Originally Posted by accountinquestionHomework? I have some vague interest in this but not enough to go down a rabbithole on my own. Stupid analogy. You perpetually whine about how there are no people wanting to talk about real things. Do you want to stand on your head or feet? Figure it out bro. Stop being so stupid.Originally Posted by kewlJ
Nothing to do with coach belly. You're just a freak and get treated by so many people in similar fashions because of your nonsense.
Grow up! be a man. Say "I dont like you but I guess you are what you claim". Anything short of that and you are just a peon of a man.
Now I'm just vaguely curious about the vagaries of bj law. Such a buffoon.
You know a lot about blackjack but your life is a great deal of fantasy. That's also proven. Misterv who is a bit slower seems to think you mostly tell the truth. I believe you mostly lie.
AccountinQ, we are done sir. I should have been done with you a month ago when you challenged me to prove something and I accepted for a wager and then you reneged, whimpering about money. But still I let that go and have treated you respectfully answering all your trolling questions.
I think i have more than proven I know what I am talking about and am what i claim. If you want to instead believe that I spent 20+ years learning all I could about card counting / blackjack advantage play so I could "fool" 10 people on an internet forum, then you go right ahead and believe that. Believe in the easter bunny too while you are at it.
I am just not going to waste anymore time on people like you that are just trolling. You have yourself a good life.
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This in no way happened and is just more evidence of why no one should take you seriously on any level.Originally Posted by kewlJ
Originally Posted by soxfanOriginally Posted by MDawg
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
MDawg Adventures carry on at: https://www.truepassage.com/forums/f.../46-IPlayVegas
Tbh I'm not even sure OYO has a $500 max table. Whether they do or not I do not think anybody is going in there regularly spreading up to 400 and somehow not getting noticed.
And I believe you're a yeti posting from a cave on Baffin Island, and that garnabby is your brother.Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Wait, you want "proof?"
My personal belief is all the proof I require, and just as you've adduced zero proof for your claim so shall I remain mum.
Hey, many otherwise seemingly rational people believe that the 2020 election was stolen so why not posit other equally inane notions which lack any sort of objective proof?
What, Me Worry?
We can rationally discuss events by investigating, discovering, presenting and considering evidence.Originally Posted by MisterV
There's often enough evidence regarding irregularities in any election to elevate concerns above the level of "inane notions".
The same can't be said about your declared beliefs below...
Originally Posted by MisterV
At the time I started playing it was Hooters. Although I played a bit when it became OYO as well. You are missing a key point about table max. Table Max does NOT mean a player can spread to that max amount. He would last 2 seconds. A flat bettor might be able to flat bet the table max, but anyone varying bets would NEVER be allowed to hit that max bet. A general rule of thumb is maybe you can spread to about half posted the table max amount.Originally Posted by smurgerburger
And while I don't remember what table max was at hooters, the max bet I was using was $300 I believe. There were always places in my rotation, El Cortez, East Cannery, just to name a couple that I max betted a little less. Hooters/OYO was one of them.
Now why Hooters? Did you ask yourself that? Did you ever consider location?
Prior to about 5 years ago when I began playing the strip as my primary rotation on busier times, I basically avoided the strip except 1 location. There are a number of reason, but one was it was just too much hassle to find parking and get into a casino for a short session. That "short session" could end up being an hour.
So I always said there was 1 strip property that was always in my regular rotation for blackjack. Maybe once a week, maybe only a couple times a month. That property was MGM. And the reason is because it was so large they had up to 4 different pits. All 4 weren't always open, but 2-3 usually were. That almost made getting into and playing MGM like playing 2 or 3 different casinos. Could hit a session (assuming nothing extraordinary occurred) at least two different pits.
So that is why MGM was in my rotation when other strip properties weren't. so parking? do you know where the MGM garage is located? It is a 15 minute walk to the casino....the back of the casino. THAT is/was NOT the kind of logistics I was after in playing short sessions.
But guess what? Right across the street (tropicana, with a walkway right there), was Hooters who had free parking. We could park at Hooters and I could be inside the side entrance of MGM (the entrance where the "underground' is located). in less than 5 minutes. And there was a blackjack pit right there feet away.
And once we were parking at Hooters, it was a natural for my partner to step inside and play some VP and see if they offered any decent mailers, which it turned out they did. Not fantastic but decent enough. And once that occurred it meant a visit to Hooters/MGM almost every week. And at some point, while waiting for my partner, I sat down and played some blackjack with a slightly reduced spread.
No great mystery Smurger. I thought you were so close to catching me with something though. Keep sleuthing!
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And here is another little tidbit for ya. For a while Hooters had one of those older electronic blackjack games, Blackjack Angels or Dealer Angels or something like that, with the video of dealers with big boobs dealing. That game was beatable (countable), because the shuffle point was when they changed dealers. I would usually play that for a few minutes as well until they removed it.
There also was a point that LVH (LV HIlton, now Westgate) was also in both my blackjack rotation and our mailer VP rotation. LVH was located at the opposite end of the monorail. Not EVERY time we played LVH, but occasionally we liked to ride the monorail up to LVH. Tickets were $1 for local residents. Again, not every trip to either location, but occasionally we would have a day that started parking at Hooters, a couple blackjack sessions at MGM, ride the monorail up to LVH, play some BJ while my partner played the VP mailer play, eat lunch at the LVH buffet, which was like $9 for locals (regular price $22 or $24), which we could use points generated by the VP play and then back down to MGM for a blackjack session and across the street to hooters for VP play and/or blackjack.
That would be a full day. 4-5 blackjack sessions, with the two visits to MGM being on different shifts, and a couple casino in the VP mailer play rotation. Not the most efficient day with the monorail, but something a little different that we both enjoyed.
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Kewl !
Good answer!
Just to clarify - I figure you've spent 1000s hours playing BJ in and around LV that but outside of that anything said is a complete random shot as to the veracity. Maybe you've even made a living. The problem is you've said so much nonsense where you refer to your experience and all this that it becomes impossible to know where the truth ends. In that situation it is better served for the person to be universally disbelieved.
When I lived in LV and was a subsistence poker player - I played at MGM a lot. I know some players parked over there which made it a lot easier. The poker room was on the south tip where some circular bar is now. You used to even be able to see lions from the poker room.
Infact, that was the first place in life where I shart myself. While walking through the sportsbook - fresh copy of Tipsters and Gipsters at hand. Oh the memories.
Seriously though - there is one lie in the above statements but I"m not telling.
My question would be ... if you're doing these small hit and run sessions why wouldn't you just walk the strip? Start somewhere and go from one to the other? The only slot hustler I know who works the strip did that. Why would you park your car at one casino at a time? Seems like you'd have your chip inventory and a route where you'd just walk from pit A to B to C to next casino, etc. Hit 3-4 casinos or whatever.
You can say this is part of the "gotcha" game but this is exactly the sort of shit you complain about NOT having, Kewl. So spare us. I'm not terribly interested in your answer but heres your chance to have a serious discussion and serious questions that I even expect you to be able to answer.
Originally Posted by kewlJAt the time I started playing it was Hooters. Although I played a bit when it became OYO as well. You are missing a key point about table max. Table Max does NOT mean a player can spread to that max amount. He would last 2 seconds. A flat bettor might be able to flat bet the table max, but anyone varying bets would NEVER be allowed to hit that max bet. A general rule of thumb is maybe you can spread to about half posted the table max amount.Originally Posted by smurgerburger
And while I don't remember what table max was at hooters, the max bet I was using was $300 I believe. There were always places in my rotation, El Cortez, East Cannery, just to name a couple that I max betted a little less. Hooters/OYO was one of them.
Now why Hooters? Did you ask yourself that? Did you ever consider location?
Prior to about 5 years ago when I began playing the strip as my primary rotation on busier times, I basically avoided the strip except 1 location. There are a number of reason, but one was it was just too much hassle to find parking and get into a casino for a short session. That "short session" could end up being an hour.
So I always said there was 1 strip property that was always in my regular rotation for blackjack. Maybe once a week, maybe only a couple times a month. That property was MGM. And the reason is because it was so large they had up to 4 different pits. All 4 weren't always open, but 2-3 usually were. That almost made getting into and playing MGM like playing 2 or 3 different casinos. Could hit a session (assuming nothing extraordinary occurred) at least two different pits.
So that is why MGM was in my rotation when other strip properties weren't. so parking? do you know where the MGM garage is located? It is a 15 minute walk to the casino....the back of the casino. THAT is/was NOT the kind of logistics I was after in playing short sessions.
But guess what? Right across the street (tropicana, with a walkway right there), was Hooters who had free parking. We could park at Hooters and I could be inside the side entrance of MGM (the entrance where the "underground' is located). in less than 5 minutes. And there was a blackjack pit right there feet away.
And once we were parking at Hooters, it was a natural for my partner to step inside and play some VP and see if they offered any decent mailers, which it turned out they did. Not fantastic but decent enough. And once that occurred it meant a visit to Hooters/MGM almost every week. And at some point, while waiting for my partner, I sat down and played some blackjack with a slightly reduced spread.
No great mystery Smurger. I thought you were so close to catching me with something though. Keep sleuthing!
You said that you bet $400 at Oyo, and under the table max, and I said that I don't believe they have a $500 max table.
Do you understand this? Have I missed something?
I know where the poker room is or was. Rather than park at Hooters, wouldn't it have been closer to park at Tropicana casino (now gone for the new baseball stadium), which also at that time had free parking and walk across the walkway into MGM, down the escalator and the poker room would be right there? Doesn't matter.Originally Posted by accountinquestion
My first 2 years in Vegas, before I had a car (by choice) and before my partner followed me out to Vegas, I lived in a condominium a block off the strip at Flamingo/Koval. I didn't play the locals circuit yet, not even knowing half the local casinos. I walked the strip daily and sometimes from Mandy Bay to Treasure island. So I have walked the strip plenty of times.
The parking was only one reason I later decided to mostly avoid the strip play.
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Yeah, for one I started out playing Hooters, before they were OYO and they most certainly had tables that were $500 max or more because they had $25 minimum. Places that have $25 min table the max is at least $500, usually $1000. And while I don't remember what the max was when it became OYO (I can't recall every max bet amount from a decade ago at every place I played), I was still playing on occasion, so it had to be accommodated my reduced spread. And not just accommodate it, but didn't bump up against it.Originally Posted by smurgerburgerOriginally Posted by kewlJAt the time I started playing it was Hooters. Although I played a bit when it became OYO as well. You are missing a key point about table max. Table Max does NOT mean a player can spread to that max amount. He would last 2 seconds. A flat bettor might be able to flat bet the table max, but anyone varying bets would NEVER be allowed to hit that max bet. A general rule of thumb is maybe you can spread to about half posted the table max amount.Originally Posted by smurgerburger
And while I don't remember what table max was at hooters, the max bet I was using was $300 I believe. There were always places in my rotation, El Cortez, East Cannery, just to name a couple that I max betted a little less. Hooters/OYO was one of them.
Now why Hooters? Did you ask yourself that? Did you ever consider location?
Prior to about 5 years ago when I began playing the strip as my primary rotation on busier times, I basically avoided the strip except 1 location. There are a number of reason, but one was it was just too much hassle to find parking and get into a casino for a short session. That "short session" could end up being an hour.
So I always said there was 1 strip property that was always in my regular rotation for blackjack. Maybe once a week, maybe only a couple times a month. That property was MGM. And the reason is because it was so large they had up to 4 different pits. All 4 weren't always open, but 2-3 usually were. That almost made getting into and playing MGM like playing 2 or 3 different casinos. Could hit a session (assuming nothing extraordinary occurred) at least two different pits.
So that is why MGM was in my rotation when other strip properties weren't. so parking? do you know where the MGM garage is located? It is a 15 minute walk to the casino....the back of the casino. THAT is/was NOT the kind of logistics I was after in playing short sessions.
But guess what? Right across the street (tropicana, with a walkway right there), was Hooters who had free parking. We could park at Hooters and I could be inside the side entrance of MGM (the entrance where the "underground' is located). in less than 5 minutes. And there was a blackjack pit right there feet away.
And once we were parking at Hooters, it was a natural for my partner to step inside and play some VP and see if they offered any decent mailers, which it turned out they did. Not fantastic but decent enough. And once that occurred it meant a visit to Hooters/MGM almost every week. And at some point, while waiting for my partner, I sat down and played some blackjack with a slightly reduced spread.
No great mystery Smurger. I thought you were so close to catching me with something though. Keep sleuthing!
You said that you bet $400 at Oyo, and under the table max, and I said that I don't believe they have a $500 max table.
Do you understand this? Have I missed something?
Would you like to ask what brand underwear I had on the days we played Hooters/MGM? perhaps you can "get" me with that?
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Hooters most certainly did not have a $25 min table in the last 8 years (probably ever but I can't be sure).
They most certainly did. I would not have played a $5 or $10 table full of drunk hooters players. The game would have moved too slowly and the EV would have been way too small. they had a $25 table that was open late afternoons and evenings, where there were usually only a couple players.Originally Posted by smurgerburger
And OYO had a $25 table at least for a short time after they took over. I know this because OYO took over late summer 2019. And I was playing heads up with a part-time dealer that also worked at Hard Rock Casino at the time., which would have been fall 2019. This dealer informed me that Hard Rock would be closing for a 3 month period just after the superbowl, while transforming to Virgin Casinos. Information I did not know. (that 3 month period turned into over a year when covid hit and other issues I guess).
But the point is I was playing heads up with this duel property dealer late in the afternoon, and I could not have gotten a heads up game at anything less than $25. $5 and $10 games were packed. $5 games actually paid 6:5 which I would not have touched.
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