To The Nines

[Alan Mendelson]

I ain't believing this Only hit one quad today and still can't believe it was 9's!

Was it on Rob's machine or are you suggesting a new conspiracy theory? I prefer the conspiracy theory about the second gunman in Dealey Plaza. It has more credibility than this one.

[slingshot]

Was it on Rob's machine or are you suggesting a new conspiracy theory? I prefer the conspiracy theory about the second gunman in Dealey Plaza. It has more credibility than this one.

The machine kept hitting flushes and straights and I was really hoping for a better quad .

[Rob.Singer]

Yeah....sounds about as crazy as claiming seeing 18 straight rolls of 11....and THEN trying to get the acceptance of the paranoid Wizard's crowd. Which one has worse odds?

[redietz]

If you see 18 consecutive 11's, and come to the conclusion it was more likely dumb luck than rigged dice -- God Bless you. Once we get over trillion-to-one land, you're on your own.

On the other hand, if you walk in and see your gardener banging your wife, it must be good to know it was due to the nasty guy at Starbucks putting LSD in your coffee and then hypnotizing you so you break up with your wife and run away with him. You actually saw nothing.

I wish I could see the world through those eyes. And be a journalist. And be sane.

Ah, but I digress. Once you're over a trillion to one in the world of gambling, it's time to start considering alternative explanations to sheer randomness.

[regnis]

Red-I've played and/or dealt craps all my life. I've never seen that kind of streak. But my problem with the supposition that the dice were rigged is this---who does rigged dice benefit to get a streak of "yo's" ? If a player slipped in bad dice to get a yo, that would make sense, but Alan says nobody was betting the yo.

If the casino was using bad dice, there is zero benefit to having them land on 11. So while I agree that 18 yo's is impossible, who rigged the dice and who benefited?

Whole thing makes no sense.

[Alan Mendelson]

Red-I've played and/or dealt craps all my life. I've never seen that kind of streak. But my problem with the supposition that the dice were rigged is this---who does rigged dice benefit to get a streak of "yo's" ? If a player slipped in bad dice to get a yo, that would make sense, but Alan says nobody was betting the yo.

If the casino was using bad dice, there is zero benefit to having them land on 11. So while I agree that 18 yo's is impossible, who rigged the dice and who benefited?

Whole thing makes no sense.

This was also what I said -- not as eloquently. If you're going to rig the dice, the casino wouldn't rig them for Elevens and if the player did he'd be betting the Elevens. Also, the same shooter had the same dice prior to the run of elevens and no elevens showed, and the same shooter continued to use the same dice after this extraordinary run and no more elevens showed.

If the dice were rigged by the player, the casino would have removed them -- they were not found to be rigged when the stickman examined them twice.
The shooter nor his friend, nor me, ever placed a bet on the yo.
So what would be the reason to rig the dice and who benefited?

My conclusion: it happened.
And regarding Rob's string of 9s... it also happened.

Now the important point:

I never saw another string of elevens again, and I am waiting for Rob to tell us if he sees another string of 9s again. And that's all that matters.

[quahaug]

Dice control. The guy just wasn't doing it on purpose.

[Alan Mendelson]

These were random throws... dice bouncing all over.

[redietz]

Just because loaded dice were in the game doesn't automatically mean anyone KNEW there were loaded dice in the game. All it means is that there were loaded dice.

[Alan Mendelson]

Just because loaded dice were in the game doesn't automatically mean anyone KNEW there were loaded dice in the game. All it means is that there were loaded dice.

You're missing the point: the casino would NEVER use loaded dice that showed elevens and there was no player betting on Yo so who would put loaded dice in the game? The dice factory? In that case why didn't the string of Yo's go to 30 or 40 or 50??

[dannyj]

I cant believe after the first half dozen or so 11's no one (especially you Alan) didnt toss in at least a buck on the yo. I'm sure you have heard the statement following a string of same numbers, someone will say "I know how to stop that" by betting on it.

[Alan Mendelson]

I use that phrase when someone keeps throwing craps. But who could imagine the shooter would keep throwing yo's?

[Vegas Vic]

Apparently you don't play much. What you explained is not a highly uncommon event.

You're the one who is always posting about not playing much. That makes you unqualified to comment on anyone else's play.

[Alan Mendelson]

You're the one who is always posting about not playing much. That makes you unqualified to comment on anyone else's play.

I think Rob is well established as a big player in years past and some of us suspect that he plays a lot more now than he willingly admits.

[Rob.Singer]

I think Rob is well established as a big player in years past and some of us suspect that he plays a lot more now than he willingly admits.

I DO play more than I willingly admit, such as I've played two hours on Friday and didn't say anything. Why not? Because nothing extraordinary happened. Many times, why bother. Remember I talked about my strange no-quad string, the streak where I kept hitting all those big winners, or the 9's phenomenon? Those were mention-worthy. But I think what you're looking for is me saying I played--and lost--more in the sessions either before or after I hit those string of big winners, and that's not the case. Understand my strategy and you'll comprehend that I just don't do that. There's no way I would EVER either adjust my pre-set win goal higher, or go to a higher limit, after hitting or surpassing a win goal, just because I can't bear to see the action stop. That is what is called "problem gambling" from my experience prior to 1996, and it is a profit-killer.

[Alan Mendelson]

Did you win or lose on Friday?

[Rob.Singer]

Won $40. Got tired and left.

[slingshot]

Won $40. Got tired and left.

I, otoh, won $35 on quarters on free play and just had to stay and lose it . I appreciate these little wins more now.

[Rob.Singer]

I heard from the Wizard after explaining my 9's experience, and he considers it to be coincidence. I'm not in agreement but I can't prove anything and after one more hour on it today there was nothing odd. That of course proves nothing also, but it remains the strangest event I've ever witnessed on any vp machine. Three quad 9's in an hour (none on dealt trip 9's) with ALL trips dealt within that hour (8 of them) being ONLY 9's?

Final answer: No way.

[Alan Mendelson]

John Grochowski just wrote about repeaters that reminded me about this thread about 9s:

http://grochowski.casinocitytimes.co...k-indeed-63534