Retiring as a professional gambler

[redietz]

I don't see what one year's 1040 proves. Just hook him up to a polygraph and ask him 50 times if he's ahead at video poker lifetime.

[Alan Mendelson]

I never received it. I don't have time right now to check our forum archives but it's all there.

[coach belly]

I don't see what one year's 1040 proves. Just hook him up to a polygraph and ask him 50 times if he's ahead at video poker lifetime.

Regarding claims of gambling winnings...
it's not appropriate to suggest someone else take a polygraph, without offering to take one yourself.

Have you agreed to take a polygraph?

Should you be considered a liar until you submit to a polygraph?

[coach belly]

I never received it. I don't have time right now to check our forum archives but it's all there.

No need to check the archives, your recollection will suffice...did he claim to have mailed it to you?

[arcimede$]

No need to check the archives, your recollection will suffice...did he claim to have mailed it to you?

The archives are there for you to check. Why are you asking Alan to remember something that happened a couple of years ago. Man up.

[Alan Mendelson]

If I recall correctly: He said he told the IRS not to send them after first telling the IRS to send them.

[coach belly]

Now you know why you never got a copy of his 1040 even though he said he mailed it to you.

If I recall correctly: He said he told the IRS not to send them after first telling the IRS to send them.

So...did Rob Singer tell a lie in this matter ?

Is arcimede$ lying about Rob...that Rod claimed to have mailed you the form?

[arcimede$]

If I recall correctly: He said he told the IRS not to send them after first telling the IRS to send them.

Yes, that is right and it demonstrates clearly he was lying. You fill out a form and send it to the IRS. They then send the documents back to you. Singer would then be required to mail them to Alan. There is no recalling items once they have been mailed.

[redietz]

Regarding claims of gambling winnings...
it's not appropriate to suggest someone else take a polygraph, without offering to take one yourself.

Have you agreed to take a polygraph?

Should you be considered a liar until you submit to a polygraph?

Well, to be honest, coach belly, in the very first national ad I ever ran, yes, I volunteered to take a polygraph. That was back in 1979 in GamePlan Magazine. My former website, which can be dragged up via the time machine archives of the internet, has me offering to do the same in every incarnation.

I'm sure you had a point to your question. What exactly was it?

[coach belly]

Yes, that is right and it demonstrates clearly he was lying.

Much of this is unclear to me, but I've only been reading for 9 months.

You fill out a form and send it to the IRS. They then send the documents back to you. Singer would then be required to mail them to Alan.

What documents do you mean, and why was Singer required to mail them to Alan?

There is no recalling items once they have been mailed.

What items were mailed, who mailed them, and who were they mailed to?

[coach belly]

I'm sure you had a point to your question. What exactly was it?

Before you suggest that Rob Singer take a polygraph to prove whether or not he is lying about his gambling winnings,
you should first take a polygraph to prove whether or not you are lying about your winnings. Fair enough...right?

My question was

Should you be considered a liar until you submit to a polygraph?

Have you submitted to the polygraph?

Send a link to your website, shouldn't be too hard to find, you probably have it bookmarked.

[Alan Mendelson]

Yes, that is right and it demonstrates clearly he was lying. You fill out a form and send it to the IRS. They then send the documents back to you. Singer would then be required to mail them to Alan. There is no recalling items once they have been mailed.

If I recall, the plan was for Rob to instruct the IRS to mail the returns to me as his agent or representative. When Rob said he notified the IRS not to send the forms, we questioned whether he really told the IRS to send them in the first place.

[arcimede$]

If I recall, the plan was for Rob to instruct the IRS to mail the returns to me as his agent or representative. When Rob said he notified the IRS not to send the forms, we questioned whether he really told the IRS to send them in the first place.

You can't "ask" the IRS to send tax returns to anyone. You have to fill out form 4506. Then you can specify a 3rd party, but I know of no way to stop the process once it is initiated. There is no "recall form 4506" form. You have to send a check ($50) for each form requested as well, so why would he stop the process when he could not get his money back?

[coach belly]

I know of no way to stop the process once it is initiated.

http://www.justanswer.com/tax/77w9k-...html#re.v/417/

"If the transcript processing has been started - it is automatic and may not be terminated.

You may however contact the IRS directly and ask to terminate the request. If processing was not started - the agent will terminate the request - but you need to act quickly."

[Alan Mendelson]

You can't "ask" the IRS to send tax returns to anyone. You have to fill out form 4506. Then you can specify a 3rd party, but I know of no way to stop the process once it is initiated. There is no "recall form 4506" form. You have to send a check ($50) for each form requested as well, so why would he stop the process when he could not get his money back?

I don't dispute what you wrote here. When I said "ask" I meant that he must have filed the appropriate forms to have the returns sent to me as his representative. If I recall, we also discussed that the tax returns could be sent to me directly as a "representative" which would assure that no one altered their returns prior to sending them to me.

[Rob.Singer]

If I recall, the plan was for Rob to instruct the IRS to mail the returns to me as his agent or representative. When Rob said he notified the IRS not to send the forms, we questioned whether he really told the IRS to send them in the first place.

Rather than making it all up and have arci interject with more of his lies, I'll recount it for you without any spin.

Arci challenged me to provide you past tax returns, not just 1040's. I accepted, as lond as arci accepted and wasn't doing his usual BS. He accepted so I immediately got the correct form, filled it out so that Alan would receive it and mailed it in, then let the forum know. Of course, just as he planned on doing because he would NEVER let anyone here see his returns since I've already seen a few of his and "Deb's" returns and they ain't what he portrays, his plan all along was to make a claim that I really didn't send the form in, just so he could safely run for the hills again as he's always done.

Eventually, arci wouldn't submit the form, Alan then helped him weasel out of his challenge by saying "it's all about your returns Rob since you make the most outrageous claims", so I got the form request stopped but not after having to forfeit a portion of the fee. And yes, there is a way to kill the form request. It's called going to your son-in-law.

When you want the truth, come to me. If you want more made up "facts" then call arci. Of course, if he's not home then you'll get no one. My wife's home if I'm out doing errands.

[slobdinger]

Rather than making it all up and have arci interject with more of his lies, I'll recount it for you without any spin.

Arci challenged me to provide you past tax returns, not just 1040's. I accepted, as lond as arci accepted and wasn't doing his usual BS. He accepted so I immediately got the correct form, filled it out so that Alan would receive it and mailed it in, then let the forum know. Of course, just as he planned on doing because he would NEVER let anyone here see his returns since I've already seen a few of his and "Deb's" returns and they ain't what he portrays, his plan all along was to make a claim that I really didn't send the form in, just so he could safely run for the hills again as he's always done.

Eventually, arci wouldn't submit the form, Alan then helped him weasel out of his challenge by saying "it's all about your returns Rob since you make the most outrageous claims", so I got the form request stopped but not after having to forfeit a portion of the fee. And yes, there is a way to kill the form request. It's called going to your son-in-law.

When you want the truth, come to me. If you want more made up "facts" then call arci. Of course, if he's not home then you'll get no one. My wife's home if I'm out doing errands.

And how did Rob surrepticiously get a look at arci and his wife's returns? Probably through his son-in-law who works for the IRS. Alan, is it legal for an IRS employee to secretly show someone's return to a private citizen?

[arcimede$]

Actually, it is not only not acceptable to show anyone a personal IRS form, it would mean immediate termination. This is why you know Singer is lying yet again.

Fact is, I still have the form ready to go. All I need is for Alan to verify he received Singer's tax return and I would send him mine. That was the arrangement until Alan said he didn't want to be be involved.

[coach belly]

Actually, it is not only not acceptable to show anyone a personal IRS form, it would mean immediate termination. This is why you know Singer is lying yet again.

Yes we know Singer is lying because an IRS agent would never do something that's "not acceptable"... even as a favor to his father-in-law...even if he knew he would never get caught. That could never happen...is that right?

Fact is, I still have the form ready to go. All I need is for Alan to verify he received Singer's tax return and I would send him mine. That was the arrangement until Alan said he didn't want to be be involved.

So man up and modify the arrangement and send yours first. What's the big deal, why does Rob's have to be received first?

Once Alan receives yours, then Rob will either send his or eat crow.

That's what you want anyway isn't it...your pound of flesh?

[slobdinger]

Yes we know Singer is lying because an IRS agent would never do something that's "not acceptable"... even as a favor to his father-in-law...even if he knew he would never get caught. That could never happen...is that right?



So man up and modify the arrangement and send yours first. What's the big deal, why does Rob's have to be received first?

Once Alan receives yours, then Rob will either send his or eat crow.

That's what you want anyway isn't it...your pound of flesh?

Belly, man up and tell Rob to live up to his agreement.