Retiring as a professional gambler

[coach belly]

Belly, man up and tell Rob to live up to his agreement.

OK - and you tell arci to take the high road and send his first.

Once arci's is received then Rob will either put up or shut up...and this dispute will be over, once and for all.

So what's the down side to arci sending his first?

[slobdinger]

OK - and you tell arci to take the high road and send his first.

Once arci's is received then Rob will either put up or shut up...and this dispute will be over, once and for all.

So what's the down side to arci sending his first?

You keep covering for Rob, dude. What's up with that?

[coach belly]

You keep covering for Rob, dude. What's up with that?

I'm just trying to sort this mess out, and I think I came up with a great solution.

Arcimede$ sends his returns to Alan...that effectively ends all this nonsense...right?

He was gonna send them anyway, so send them already and shut Rob Singer up for good.

What's the down side?

[Alan Mendelson]

Remember to PM me for the mailing address. :-)

[redietz]

Before you suggest that Rob Singer take a polygraph to prove whether or not he is lying about his gambling winnings,
you should first take a polygraph to prove whether or not you are lying about your winnings. Fair enough...right?

My question was



Have you submitted to the polygraph?

Send a link to your website, shouldn't be too hard to find, you probably have it bookmarked.

I've always offered to take a polygraph. There's not much point in taking a polygraph with an operator you yourself hire -- if a potential client wants to ask me questions with his own operator, that's fine with me. Hiring one's own operator opens the door for all kinds of shenanigans.

I don't have my former websites bookmarked. If you want to locate them, do the legwork.

[arcimede$]

OK - and you tell arci to take the high road and send his first.

Once arci's is received then Rob will either put up or shut up...and this dispute will be over, once and for all.

So what's the down side to arci sending his first?

Good grief, anyone with half a brain knows that Singer will NEVER send his tax returns to Alan or anyone else. That would end the charade. So, why waste my time and money when I already know what is going to happen. However, since Alan has already stated he doesn't want any of our returns this conversation is silly.

[Alan Mendelson]

If it will resolve this I will accept and report on the tax returns -- revealing only the information that each taxpayer allows me to reveal.

[Rob.Singer]

I'm nearly rolling on the floor laughing out loud watching mickey squirm when coach asks him why he doesn't support having arci have his returns sent to Alan first, then if I never do it the gig is up! And I literally fell out of my chair when arci first claims he's "ready to go with form in-hand" then in his usual welching way tries to be believed by claiming he won't send his in because he "knows I won't"!!!!! Hahahahaha!! Is it fun watching arci & mickey make fools out of themselves while I laugh or what!!?

Now do you see why I make fun of mickey and mock poor wifeless arci 24/7?!!

[Alan Mendelson]

Arc has sent me a private message telling me he is willing to send me his tax returns. I told Arc not to send his unless Rob says he will also send his. Rob, will you?

Again, I will release only the information that both allow me to release.

The ball is in your court Rob. If you say you will send your returns in, Arc will.

[Rob.Singer]

Alan, this is the arci challenge 2.0, only it's exactly the same as the first go-around. At that time I made the mistake of saying I would do it and then actually doing it. Then arci was left with no alternative but to claim I really didn't as a way of weaseling out of his own challenge. He was also worrying that if I never did it then you'd say I did just to make him look bad. And God knows, he's had more than enough of that lately.

So what's the rules this time? What years (and neither of us get to dictate which years). And no transcripts--they mean nothing.

[Alan Mendelson]

You go first, Rob. What "professional years" do you want to provide? You choose any or all of your ten years of professional play. Frankly, I will be happy seeing one year with a return close to your average of $100,000. I think a return showing a win of $100,000 before deductions for "expenses" (not losses) would be very impressive.

Yes, your $100,000 profit can be offset by "expenses." So what we want to see is a net profit on gambling BEFORE deductions for Schedule C expenses.

Can you provide such a return?

[coach belly]

I told Arc not to send his unless Rob says he will also send his.

What's the point of all this posturing?

Once arc sends his forms it's game over...one way or another.

Either Rob follows up with his forms or he's done...why bother with the conditions?

Let arc produce...then the chips fall where they may.

[Rob.Singer]

Of course I can provide it for years 2000 thru 2009, and I can provide my audit reports along with them. Transcripts should be rejected.

So now you might want to heed coach. Let's see arci begin his new challenge.

[arcimede$]

You go first, Rob. What "professional years" do you want to provide? You choose any or all of your ten years of professional play. Frankly, I will be happy seeing one year with a return close to your average of $100,000. I think a return showing a win of $100,000 before deductions for "expenses" (not losses) would be very impressive.

One year would not prove a thing. Since there is no cost why not several years. I would go with something between 5-7.

[Alan Mendelson]

One year would not prove a thing. Since there is no cost why not several years. I would go with something between 5-7.

I certainly don't have a problem with reviewing and then reporting on 5-7 years of tax returns, but I am not the one incurring the cost of paying the IRS to send the returns.

I am trying to find a mutually agreeable plan to get this thing done once and for all.

Frankly, I would be impressed with one year of profits (before expense deductions) in the range of $100,000. I understand how Rob's critics might say one year isn't enough.

So-- Arc says 5-7 years. Rob, do you have a counter proposal? We might get a meeting of the minds.

[quahaug]

You go first, Rob. What "professional years" do you want to provide? You choose any or all of your ten years of professional play. Frankly, I will be happy seeing one year with a return close to your average of $100,000. I think a return showing a win of $100,000 before deductions for "expenses" (not losses) would be very impressive.

Yes, your $100,000 profit can be offset by "expenses." So what we want to see is a net profit on gambling BEFORE deductions for Schedule C expenses.

Can you provide such a return?

The net winnings is the gross profit before deductions. (Just want to be precise.)

[Alan Mendelson]

The net winnings is the gross profit before deductions. (Just want to be precise.)

What we want to see is Rob's gross wins less actual losses. He cannot use other costs of gambling such as travel, meals, tips, hotel, to offset his wins. By not including these "other costs" we will see if he has a real profit playing.

Rob might show a tax return with $100,000 of wins with $100,000 of meals as a deduction for a zero taxable win. If so that means he really did have a profit but used deductions to offset it.

Of course if he didn't show the big wins there would be no big deductions.

[coach belly]

Arc has sent me a private message telling me he is willing to send me his tax returns. If you say you will send your returns in, Arc will.

Of course I can provide it for years 2000 thru 2009, and I can provide my audit reports along with them.

So it looks like the conditions have been met...and we have a deal.

Now the longer arci waits to send his returns to Alan, the longer this nonsense continues.

Does anybody still think I'm Rob Singer...or that I have any connection to him?

[regnis]

Odds of peace in the Mid East: 10,000,000,000 to 1

Odds of these returns getting to Alan: Off the Board

[coach belly]

Odds of these returns getting to Alan: Off the Board

We only need arci's returns to end this...one way or another...once and for all.

Are there separate odds for just his getting to Alan?