Rob Singer: What are your conditions?

[Rob.Singer]

Alan what's spam is your constant meaningless rambling about where we store our car and other personal things. What's also spam is how many excuses you use to deny you are addicted to gambling action, and how that likely contributed to at least two divorces.

Aside from that nonsense, I'm glad you guys are doing your usual exercise into nowhere. First arci sidesteps coach's suggestions, then when he sees the conditions Alan asked me to present he panics and goes into a "Singer should go first" rant. Now notice how Mr. "All-The-Facts-All-The-Time" got forced into looking up how many years back transcripts could be retrieved so he could breath easier.

However, I'm not sure Alan would want this or not, but we COULD request the LAST 6 YEARS of our returns where mine continued to show large profits some years but profitting every year, and there'd be at least one but maybe two years when I played/filed under Schedule C. Same conditions as before. Would that work....or will arci whine some more about having to go first? I can already here the sniffles as he struggles to get some sleep over this.

[Alan Mendelson]

Arc actually offered to send his tax returns in first. I said to Arc to wait to see what Rob was sending in because there was no need to send in returns that wouldn't be used.

We are still waiting for Rob to tell us what he wants to send in and what he wants Arc to send in. We are waiting for SPECIFICS that both parties can produce.

Rob, I am not going to ban you for your continued rant about divorces and addiction -- but I know that is exactly what you want. I know it because in the past when I banned you, you sent me a text message saying that you posted that similar baloney because you wanted to be banned. You wanted to be banned because the heat was on. Well, the heat is on again -- except this time I am not going to ban you. I am going to let you respond to everyone (even your buddy the coach) and I am going to let you set the terms and see what happens. Frankly, I can't wait to see your tax returns.

Now, be specific: what are your terms? If you want Arc to send in his first I don't think that will be a problem for him. But -- why don't you give us the specifics and then we'll see.

[coach belly]

We are still waiting for Rob to tell us what he wants to send in and what he wants Arc to send in. We are waiting for SPECIFICS that both parties can produce

Is this specific enough?...looks like Rob has set conditions that can be met.

we COULD request the LAST 6 YEARS of our returns

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob wrote "COULD" and if he says that is indeed the requirement then it is up to Arc to respond. But "COULD" does not mean "this is it."

Rob? Is it "could" or "this is it"?

[slingshot]

They'll only fall at the same rate in a vacuum. Air pressure changes things.

I like your thinking, jbjb! So if VP is SIMULATED randomness, that changes things and being an ap could be frustrating!

[Rob.Singer]

Alan you're sore at me so you're acting foolish. I say "Could" because we have to wait for arci's OK or endure another of his boatload of excuses. Why would I possibly bring it up if it were not a viable option for me? How could anyone not see that? I've also already said the other conditions do not change. I also said "Could" because you kept saying how you'd like to see proof of those deductions I took all those years, and who knows how your moody personality will respond to that.

From the looks of it, the heat's on you.

[Alan Mendelson]

No, Rob, it's you who is the master of wiggle.

So this is now the condition: provide the last 6 years of tax returns. Would that be 2009, 2010 ,2011, 2012, 2013, 2014? We want to be specific.

[Rob.Singer]

No, Rob, it's you who is the master of wiggle.

So this is now the condition: provide the last 6 years of tax returns. Would that be 2009, 2010 ,2011, 2012, 2013, 2014? We want to be specific.

Soreness and disgust over truth-telling that apparently hurts = an inability to see things clearly.

2009-2014; Bingo! Give that man a Video Poker Machine!!

Let's see how the widower handles this: "Arc actually offered to send his tax returns in first."
So let's have it!

[Alan Mendelson]

Thank you Rob. There is one more step but this should be minor:

I want both parties to post here, and agree to, exactly what I am supposed to make public from the tax returns. Keep in mind that both or one might not file a Schedule C for their gambling for any particular year.

This should be easy because I don't think anyone is interested in charitable or medical deductions, or bank interest, or capital gains, etc.

[Rob.Singer]

Mine will be five Schedule A's and one Schedule C (if we go with the last option). I guess don't detail the income beyond gambling winnings maybe? I don't mind deductions being publicized from Schedule C (I can't remember how detailed they get, if at all) but the only one that should be made public from Schedule A are gambling losses.

These are just my offerings and I'll go with any changes arci wants.

[Alan Mendelson]

I don't see any reason to release any income besides gambling winnings. As for Schedule C deductions, the only deduction that would matter is what is listed as losses to either offset or wipe out reported wins. Other Schedule C deductions such as travel, food, books, postage, utilities, etc aren't at issue. This would mean that the Schedule C would constitute the same "bottom line" as someone who just reported gambling wins and losses on a Schedule A.

Frankly, if there was just a way for the IRS to send out only Schedule A and Schedule C forms it's all we would need.

[quahaug]

I don't see any reason to release any income besides gambling winnings. As for Schedule C deductions, the only deduction that would matter is what is listed as losses to either offset or wipe out reported wins. Other Schedule C deductions such as travel, food, books, postage, utilities, etc aren't at issue. This would mean that the Schedule C would constitute the same "bottom line" as someone who just reported gambling wins and losses on a Schedule A.

Frankly, if there was just a way for the IRS to send out only Schedule A and Schedule C forms it's all we would need.

Alan I don't understand what you're saying. Rob uses all those other deductions to offset his profit so he doesn't owe taxes on his vp winnings which I thought was your whole point of wanting to see how one could have 100.000 in deductions on 100.000 gross income. Total win-total loss=gross income, gross income-total deductions= net income.

[quahaug]

As a matter of fact schedule A is irrelevant isn't it? Gambling wins or losses (if a professional) go right on Schedule 1040 don't they?

[arcimede$]

Well, at least this has once again clearly proven Singer is a liar. He claimed to have sent Alan his forms from years where they no longer existed. Not to mention, you cannot select sections of a tax return. You can only request the entire thing. Do we need to go any further?

In addition, since we can not get data from before 2009 we can never prove whether he averaged $100K or not. One year's form is not sufficient. This is the reason I previously stated we needed to send in multiple years. So, he is off the hook no matter what we send Alan.

That said, I'm willing send in 4506 from 2009 and 4506-T from 2010-2014 when Alan gives me an address.

[Rob.Singer]

What an idiot. You can tell he's feeling the heat.

I never said I sent the returns to Alan; I said I sent the form in requesting the years along with the fee. That's how you do things when you try to get them done asap--you send it in and hope they comply. You don't search for an escape route. So all you're doing is proving yourself the pathological liar you've always been. And I've won more than $100,000 in NET PROFIT (for qua) in two different years since 2009, so you can still plan on being mortified even more.

You are also required to have the IRS forward your complete tax returns to Alan for those 6 years. Transcripts are not acceptable. Stick to the conditions and stop trying to escape. You're starting to embarrass mickey.

[coach belly]

There is another option...Rob could meet up with me, and Arc could meet up with me, and actually SHOW me their tax returns.

That is a great idea, since you have a meeting with Rob already scheduled...unless you insist on canceling.

Rob can show you what he needs to show you, you will already have arci's in hand.

It would be great if Rob could also show you the years not available by mail from the IRS.

So the ball is now in YOUR court Alan, you need to meet with Rob as originally agreed.

I suppose that arcimede$ will need to come to Vegas at some point to show you his returns...what are the odds of that ever happening?

[Rob.Singer]

That looked good at first, until I remembered I just keep 3 years of returns. Also, Alan's declared we're no longer friends and neither he or his gal care to have dinner with me. Besides arci goes first, and until arci can take the anchor off his leg the Indians in Minnesota attached, he's a going nowhere kind of guy.

[Rob.Singer]

I just pulled out a copy of the form 4506 I sent in the last time arci made his fateful challenge, and it clearly states that after 7 years form 1040 etc. are usually destroyed, but you can request earlier years and you might get them also @ $50/yr. And that's what I did the last time around. I suggest we do it this time also and stop pussy-footing around with transcripts. Since arci believes laying eyes for only one year of my success won't cut it, we can both request 10 years: 2005 thru 2014 and see what we get. If the poor fellow's worried about his refund if any is due then we can cry a river for him.

LET'S GET THIS DONE FOR 7 SURE YEARS AND 3 ADDT'L YEARS IF POSSIBLE! AT LEAST WE CAN TRY TO GET THEM. Or will we be treated to yet another episode of arci stalling before he runs for the hills, with Alan finally coming out to save his bacon with another: "well, even though arci said he would send his request in but then welched, it's really only Rob's we want to see".

Again, stop all the cowardly stalling and just do it!

[RS__]

Again, stop all the cowardly stalling and just do it!

That looked good at first, until I remembered I just keep 3 years of returns. Also, Alan's declared we're no longer friends and neither he or his gal care to have dinner with me. Besides arci goes first, and until arci can take the anchor off his leg the Indians in Minnesota attached, he's a going nowhere kind of guy.

LOLOL. This keeps getting funnier.

[Rob.Singer]

It's meant to be RS__, because if you can't already tell, even with clear 6 or 10 year options, arci has zero intentions of letting anyone lay eyes on his wreck of a life. Unless his next post says "I agree to fill out form 4506 for ten years of returns (not transcripts, which is the weasel way out) and send it into the IRS with Alan being the specified third party recipient, and I will do it right away with no further stalling for time to give excuses" then you'll see exactly what I mean about the most prolific liar on the Internet.