Final Opportunity

[Alan Mendelson]

Get real--he's playing you.

No one is playing me because I have no stake in this. If anything, it's a pain in the ass for me because it means Jason and I will have to spend time shooting the video and uploading to Youtube. Since I moved in with Linda I am now an hour away from Jason and the studio -- so add travel time to this exercise.

By the way Rob, I didn't overlook your little rib about running to VP machines. You really don't give up, do you? Is that steak house's menu online?

[coach belly]

I didn't want to say it before, but those insults that slobdinger wrote before had me laughing out loud. I must have had a sheltered life because I never heard them before. Very funny.

Oh yes...very funny when others get insulted...but when you get insulted you cry and threaten to take your ball and go home.

[Alan Mendelson]

Oh yes...very funny when others get insulted...but when you get insulted you cry and threaten to take your ball and go home.

Wrong. I send the others home. This is my house.

[Bill Yung]

Wrong. I send the others home. This is my house.

Who is Linda? And what did you do with Gwen? I'm losing track of houses.

Maybe this is your "man cave's" raison d'etre. A sort of constant.

[Alan Mendelson]

Gwen and I broke up some time ago and I would rather not discuss the reasons publicly. My buddy Rob knows and Jason knows of course.

Linda I met shortly afterwards. She is not a gambler.

[arcimede$]

Alan, you continue to allow yourself to be manipulated by a series of arci backpeddals, misleading statements loaded with spin, and his usual array of lies. And why aren't you reading my relatively few posts on this? Something must be wrong with you if you don't see it. Arci keeps changing the original terms because he has his reasons. Why do I want original terms? Because arci knows his changes benefit him in one or more ways. Why do you keep saying "original terms won't work"? OF COURSE they will. Nothing is as complete as returns.

Silly lies. The only thing that is on the form that is not provided by the transcript is the form itself. All information that is provided by the taxpayer is found in the transcript. A transcript provides everything you entered.

1. Schedule A, Line 28 shows up as OTHER on the transcript, just as it does on the Schedule itself, where you can write in however many "other" deductions you are taking as long as they are named. The transcript does not identify what "other" is comprised of. Now please tell us how in the world that helps a thing here. And you can be sure, with all of his obvious scrambling around, that arci clearly knows this. His big mistake was guessing what Line 28 says on the transcript. Then he was stupid enough to turn it into another big lie.

Let's assume you are right (you're not), but since you claim to have filed Sch. C then this won't affect you in the least. In my case I only enter "gambling losses" under Line 28 so it won't be at all confusing. Next.

2. On Schedule C, which I filed from 2000 thru 2009, I believe Part I was for Gross income, which for a professional gambler includes all wins (W2G's and any other wins) minus any losses. My expenses were deducted in another part, and I think you said that in your post. I do not know what a Schedule C transcript shows or tells because I don't have an actual one here. So, again I'll use the word "comprehensive". And even if it does identify Part I, any critic can say that I "made up" a gross income in preparation of this day of reckoning, and mitigated it with a bunch of fake expense deductions. Actual tax returns eliminate that nonsense since they arrive with copies of W2G's. So transcripts are not an option for me with a Schedule C just as they are not an option for either of us when using Schedule A. Is that so hard to understand?

A transcript provides everything you entered on the tax form. Nothing is missing. Next.

3. For the 5th time, read form 4506. It clearly states that some earlier year may still be available. Why do you keep parroting him by saying they are "absolutely destroyed by law after 7 years"? I'm all for trying our best to retrieve 2005-2007. It makes no sense not to even try to get 10 years of data for this.

From form 4506: "Copies of Forms 1040, 1040A, and 1040EZ are generally available for 7 years from filing before they are destroyed by law". Nothing here says they are available for longer than 7 years. What is implied is they may not be available even if it is less than 7 years. Next.

4. Arci keeps balking at the cost of returns. I get it--his wife died and with that her SS & IBM pension were buried with her. That's why out of the kindness of my heart I've offered to pay his $500. How? The only fair way of course. Once you receive his RETURNS identifying whatever you deem appropriate proof, I'll either send you a cashiers check or give you cash and you can send it to him, and I'll immediately send my form in. Giving it up front to a proven welcher is like inviting the cat into a bird cage.

Save your money. I've sent in my request to the IRS. Alan will likely get the data in around two weeks. It will provide everything needed to show that I've been a winner just as I have claimed. Your scrambling has made it more than obvious that my prediction was 100% correct. If you really had won anything at all you would have sent Alan your returns already. You have proven to everyone that you are nothing but a failed loser who has been lying for years.

I understand why arci keeps dancing around doing what he said he would do from the start. But if you just don't get everything I keep repeating or don't want to get it for your own reasons, this effort is pointless. One more time: I will do nothing unless arci asks for & submits returns to you. We both need to be held to the same standard that HE proposed from the start. And as I said, I know you have a hair on your butt over me at this point, but if you want a free dinner from me you'll champion this effort in the right way. If you worked for me I'd be firing you right now. I only deal with people who care about doing what they say they will do.

LOL. The panic in your writing is so obvious. You know you have no defense. You know you can't send Alan tax forms without proving you are a complete fake. You know this is it. You might as well run away now. It's not going to get any easier for you.

[redietz]

I almost feel badly for Rob.

[Rob.Singer]

Alan, he can change his conditions, send in for "transcripts" for his selective years, and lie all he wants because he's used to it. The only one who doesn't have to listen to them is his eternally happy wife. But it's obvious his strategy all along was not to stay with what he said so he could spin it around as a way out, and you helped him do it. That's what I mean by him playing you. He's made it into a Jr. High School "I'm smarter than you are" event because he has no life to look forward to so why not. I OTOH would have only moved forward on this if he didn't have this other agenda. And notice how he's whining about me not sending my form in first when I did it last time before he chickened out. Now he's doubling up on his lies by claiming, without the same type of transcript I have in hand right now, that transcript Line 28 shows all deductions categorically--then in full-fear mode announces how he only puts one item in "other" and we should take his word for it. And you've supported this weasel both times? Shame on you.

Maybe you can finally see that the suffering he went thru was just another righteous case of what goes around comes around.

The dinner menu is online.

[Alan Mendelson]

This sentence stuck out:

I OTOH would have only moved forward on this if he didn't have this other agenda.

Does this mean you will not send your tax returns?

[Rob.Singer]

I almost feel badly for Rob.

I'm wondering why. Because I want full disclosure with everything visible including W2G's? Or is it because you cringe every time I mock & humiliate arci over how his wife is eating dirt....and mine's eating grilled salmon with teriyaki marinade?

Please do tell!

[Rob.Singer]

This sentence stuck out:



Does this mean you will not send your tax returns?

Tell me you've been paying attention. How many times have I told you I'm standing with the original conditions that he set? He's hiding behind these transcripts now because his strategy was to create chaos. Are you getting his last ten years of transcripts? Think about it.

If arci has 7-10 years of tax returns sent to you, the moment you confirm receipt then I will send my form in. Very simple.

The fact that you're oddly enuf supporting his wiggling & lies tells me you have no idea what you're doing and it would have been better left to someone who comprehends the situation, like regnis. While arci won't identify what 4506 says about older than 7 years possibly being available and actually tries to pass multiple lies off as valid, I read it & posted it & regnis confirmed that they could be available....yet you're flying by the seat of your pants and pretending it's "OK" for arci to corrupt the conditions of his own bet. I'm not sure how or why you're doing that but everyone has free will. It just confuses me that as a journalist, you've haven't heard me, cared about what regnis said, and you're being led around by the hand by arci. Strange.

[Alan Mendelson]

I will wait till I see what I get from the IRS. I will report back what it shows.

[Rob.Singer]

Irrelevant. For me to present indisputable proof means you'd need my full tax return with W2G's, and for more than a year or two. Arci required those from both of us when presenting the challenge. Then you let him alter the terms down to a few meaningless selective years of incomplete info on transcripts, and you said that would be just frugal & fine. It's kind of funny really. He must have spent days worrying about how to manipulate you into accepting something we don't want.

I wonder....did arci send you his form so YOU could mail it in like I would? Or are you trusting a pathological liar to do it his way?

[Alan Mendelson]

For the record:

1. Tax returns and reported taxable gains cannot prove that anyone's strategy or play is better than anyone else's or that any system or methodology works.
2. Tax returns and reported taxable gains could be fudged. In other words, we don't know who is telling the truth when they filed and someone could have won a lot more than is reported.

[Alan Mendelson]

Irrelevant. For me to present indisputable proof means you'd need my full tax return with W2G's, and for more than a year or two. Arci required those from both of us when presenting the challenge. Then you let him alter the terms down to a few meaningless selective years of incomplete info on transcripts, and you said that would be just frugal & fine. It's kind of funny really. He must have spent days worrying about how to manipulate you into accepting something we don't want.

I wonder....did arci send you his form so YOU could mail it in like I would? Or are you trusting a pathological liar to do it his way?

Rob the ironic thing is I never doubted that you won what you said you won.

But now I have to wonder why you simply won't send in the same forms, including transcripts, that Arc wants to send in?

Your profits will show up either way -- on 1040 forms and Schedule C forms as well as on transcripts.

Specifically what is the problem? Or, are you just standing on ceremony, meaning, it MUST be done the way it was initially set up? And if that's the case, why is there no flexibility?

Frankly, we are all interested in seeing this wrapped up. If there is a faster way to show your profits, why not take the faster road? Think of it as a "casino hit and run" as if you walked into a casino, hit your win goal, and drove back to Phoenix. In this case, you would be sending the transcripts (much faster than 1040 forms) hit your win goal and drive off in your RV to meet me and Linda for dinner.

[Rob.Singer]

First Alan, our RV is in storage miles from here. Did you think we invited you & Linda for Thanksgiving in an RV??

Transcripts are faster, that we know. But they are incomplete--we also know that, or at least I do because of the one I have here. And as I've said, transcripts alone will leave my submission open for far more stupid criticism than his. I have no interest in doing this if it won't close the books in critics' faces for good. Only tax returns will do that, complete with W2G's. Arci knows this, which is one reason why he changed terms mid-stream. He simply cannot go on without his criticisms and lies about me, so he had no other choice.

He asked for this tax return challenge not me. So when I accepted he should have honored what he said. The fact that he is allowed to arbitrarily alter things to his liking alone makes no sense. You don't see that? Why am I not flexible from his original terms? Ask yourself what he's hiding. I strongly suspect he opened his mouth too soon and his foot went right into it.

He is far from a trustworthy person Alan. Too bad Deb isn't around to explain that to you. Everything he does is calculated, ego-driven, and cloaked in deceit. If he's now doing this outside the original box that he brought to the party, you can be certain he has a reason.

Do you even know what years you're getting from arci?

Yes I firmly believe in holding to the original terms when they are reasonable & doable--and the request for tax returns are.

[Alan Mendelson]

Hold it Rob. When you order a 1040 the IRS does not send you copies of W2Gs. In fact, there is NO requirement to send a W2G to the IRS unless it shows you had tax withheld by the casino.

[redietz]

This has turned out the way every single person said it would.

This has been a silly exercise. If a lottery player touting a system produced tax returns proving he/she won money IN THE PAST, how is that "slamming the door in critics' faces?" It's not.

Rob, why don't you spell out exactly how the use of transcripts will enable arci to fool Alan? That's what you're saying here. Exactly how would the obfuscation work? I'm asking because I have read all of your responses, and you do not spell it out or present a theory of how he would fool anybody.

This isn't you versus arci. This is you versus credibility. If you're going to tout a system on someone else's forum. and the system cannot be shown mathematically to work (and it can't), then what you are left with is demonstrating that at least it worked FOR YOU FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. But you can't even do that.

No math prove. You seem to trust Alan, but would prefer not giving him historical evidence.

Let's stop spinning this as Rob vs. arci and start calling it Rob vs. Alan. Does that motivate Rob to send in income tax evidence or does it simply enable him to categorize Alan as a "critic" who is therefore unworthy of seeing any evidence?

Personally, I think this is all silly. If Rob lost for five or seven years before his 10 years of winning, how or why do the losing years not count? Because he was wearing a blue shirt rather than a gray one?

[arcimede$]

I'd love for Rob to explain how a W2G makes any difference at all. All that tells us is a person hit one or more big jackpots. It says nothing about their results for a year. In almost all cases if a person plays any amount of $1 and above VP they will generate several W2Gs. In almost all cases their winnings for a year will be lower than the W2Gs. This would be even more likely playing a positive progression such as Singer does where your wins typically come from higher denominations. For example, I've received 101 W2Gs so far this year for about $275K. My actual winnings are no where near that total. I've heard of gamblers getting millions in W2Gs and losing a lot of money.

Asking for your tax returns will NOT provide any W2Gs. I have no idea if you can even request them from the IRS. However, whatever you can do with form 4506 you can also do with form 4506T. There is no need for the tax return itself. Singer could try it at no cost.

As for what years Alan is getting, I send in forms for 2004-2014. However, upon reading the instructions again I suspect Alan will not get them all. However, I thought it would be good to try to see exactly what shows up.

As anyone can see, this is just another silly excuse for Singer to avoid sending Alan his information. There is nothing left to discuss. By not sending Alan his tax forms Singer has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that all his claims of winning over the past 10-15 years have been lies.

[arcimede$]

This has turned out the way every single person said it would.

Agree. I never doubted for a second that Singer would find some way to back out. There was a time I thought he might have had a lucky year or two that fooled him into thinking his system was valid. And, after all the name calling and bragging there was no way he could back down after the losses started to show up.

Now, I doubt he ever had any winnings of any substance.

Hey, I admitted long ago that my winnings were never very big. My only claim was that I had winning years 2004-2013. Singer is the one who claimed to have won a million dollars while his wife was earning just as much (all the while living in a small apartment).