Video Poker Note

[Rob.Singer]

If it was about $90K on average, in ten years you wouldn't have won a million dollars.

Try again.

Here we go again. How many times have I told you that when I quit at the end of April 2009 that I never reached my goal of winning a million dollars.

[Alan Mendelson]

Here we go again. How many times have I told you that when I quit at the end of April 2009 that I never reached my goal of winning a million dollars.

I'm sorry Rob but I don't recall that at all.

[RS__]

I'm sorry Rob but I don't recall that at all.

I've only ever heard the opposite.....something like "as soon as I hit $1M net win, I quit immediately" (not verbatim).

[Rob.Singer]

Alan you can tell LoneStar is making all that up, obviously because he feels stabbed right thru the heart when I exposed his BS about the Wynn and then making the spot-on labeling of him (and likely the wife) being a degenerate gambler--something no other member here has the courage to expose about this clown. He also really thinks my name is Rob Singer. If he knew my real name like most here do, he'd be blurting it out every other post. That's what people do when they lose their temper with someone who gets the best of them, as we've seen here so many times.

Spock I'm surprised at you for acting like mickey. Your reading comprehension lacks the diligence you always put into all the searches you do in order to selectively spin what I write. Here's the clue: I said that while Jean Scott is a nice old lady, she's full of video poker BS.

Count, I still believe my source over yours on Frank. He told me he'd never reach 50 and he'd be over that today. If you knew him you'd have believed it. He was a walking wreck.

[Alan Mendelson]

I exposed his BS about the Wynn and then making the spot-on labeling of him (and likely the wife) being a degenerate gambler--something no other member here has the courage to expose about this clown.

YOU STOP. How can YOU label him anything? You don't know him. You never met him. You have no idea who he is, or who is family members are, or what king of bread they put in the toaster in the morning. SHUT UP.

[Rob.Singer]

I've only ever heard the opposite.....something like "as soon as I hit $1M net win, I quit immediately" (not verbatim).

That's correct....and surprising for someone like you. Many times I've posted and wrote in my articles that I would quit playing professionally when I either lose my gambling bankroll of $171,600, win at least a million dollars net, or on the day I turn 60--whichever comes first. I ended up just short of that figure. So for all the "gotchas" idiots here, between $900,000 & $1,000,000 is between $90k & $100k per year on avg. Now mickey might not be able to do the math on that and maybe Spock also. But the rest should.

[james40]

I hope you really come up with some names and numbers because these are the kind of unsubstantiated rumors that I don't like seeing and can be considered libelous.

Comments about wins, taxes, strategies working or not working are all fair game. This crosses the line.

Alan, this didn't cross the line? Seems to be a double standard here.

"A reliable source told me this past year that Frank lost not only all his money, but his girlfriend then his mind, and ended his own life. Seems to fit, since he never played with his own money because he never had any, and the last time I saw him he was worried sick over some playboy bunny girlfriend as he called he, who worked at the Palms."

[Rob.Singer]

YOU STOP. How can YOU label him anything? You don't know him. You never met him. You have no idea who he is, or who is family members are, or what king of bread they put in the toaster in the morning. SHUT UP.

Correct. I have no idea what kind of toast they eat, and I have no idea if he beats his wife or not. But I absolutely AM able to deduce via simple common sense, that anyone who goes to LV "40 times a year" and who surrounds himself and his family with gambling from any source possible, is a balls-on sick & degenerate gambler....the precise type to post bravado stories of gaming fantasy like he blabbed about at Wynn solely to impress others.

[james40]

What am I supposed to do, let this turn into a free for all?

Unless one of you giants of Journalism and legal experts wants to buy the site I'm still making the rules. I've allowed insults. But now there is an allegation that Rob owes money to people. The poster making it is repeating hearsay.

Who wants to buy the Forum?

This entire thread is littered with hearsay, with accusations against a multitude of people. It has turned into a free for all, hard to turn off after you've allowed it to go on for several pages.

[Rob.Singer]

Alan, this didn't cross the line? Seems to be a double standard here.

"A reliable source told me this past year that Frank lost not only all his money, but his girlfriend then his mind, and ended his own life. Seems to fit, since he never played with his own money because he never had any, and the last time I saw him he was worried sick over some playboy bunny girlfriend as he called he, who worked at the Palms."

James...James...James....When will you ever learn that your wishes will never be met when you display such an errant IQ? I met with the man multiple times, I'm opining what I believe from those meetings, and I'm offering up information I was told on said person.

Surely, you're not as dumb as mickey.

[Rob.Singer]

This entire thread is littered with hearsay, with accusations against a multitude of people. It has turned into a free for all, hard to turn off after you've allowed it to go on for several pages.

You can calm yourself down with the fact that I am not concerned with the claims of a sore loser who has little knowledge of who I am or what I do. And I don't believe Frank has come on the forum lately to confirm the rumors or his death (get it genius?).

[james40]

James...James...James....When will you ever learn that your wishes will never be met when you display such an errant IQ? I met with the man multiple times, I'm opining what I believe from those meetings, and I'm offering up information I was told on said person.

Surely, you're not as dumb as mickey.

Sorry, I won't come out to play little guy.

[Alan Mendelson]

Alan, this didn't cross the line? Seems to be a double standard here.

"A reliable source told me this past year that Frank lost not only all his money, but his girlfriend then his mind, and ended his own life. Seems to fit, since he never played with his own money because he never had any, and the last time I saw him he was worried sick over some playboy bunny girlfriend as he called he, who worked at the Palms."

I know for a fact Frank didn't gamble with his own money. He told me and Jason at lunch at Caesars. It was the most shocking thing this master of progressive teams could ever had said. When I posted it on various websites Frank confirmed it. Backers gave him the money to play and paid him to organize teams.

Lonestar is quoting someone who may or may not have said this.

Rob said what he said without quoting anybody.

That's the difference. What if this former manager at Caesars was misquoted?

I'm not protecting Rob. I'm protecting this Manager.

[Alan Mendelson]

This entire thread is littered with hearsay, with accusations against a multitude of people. It has turned into a free for all, hard to turn off after you've allowed it to go on for several pages.

Free speech is protected here. Hearsay or misquoting others is not.

[james40]

I know for a fact Frank didn't gamble with his own money. He told me and Jason at lunch at Caesars. It was the most shocking thing this master of progressive teams could ever had said. When I posted it on various websites Frank confirmed it. Backers gave him the money to play and paid him to organize teams.

Lonestar is quoting someone who may or may not have said this.

Rob said what he said without quoting anybody.

That's the difference. What if this former manager at Caesars was misquoted?

I'm not protecting Rob. I'm protecting this Manager.

So I can make any sort of wild accusation as long as I don't quote someone? Rumors of mental illness and suicide are fair game?

[Rob.Singer]

Let's get back to discussing what Dancer claims about having his precious benefits stopped at Suncoast (and mickey, I don't doubt for one minute that he didn't claim the same about Gold Coast and SP too)---he seems to announce things like that when cash from his vp junk sales slows.

Aside from the fact that mickey's been frantically trying to get Dancer to post some kind of letter on vpfree--made up or not--from the Suncoast that refutes what I was told by an employee there, it has not yet surfaced. Big surprise.

So how about we hear some more of that apologizing for Dancer so his sales won't falter and he & Compton can get more consulting jobs so he can keep playing the hi limit machines that impress mickey so much?

[Rob.Singer]

So I can make any sort of wild accusation as long as I don't quote someone? Rumors of mental illness and suicide are fair game?

Poor James....I've seen numerous rumors about ME supposedly having some kind of mental illness. You feeling bad about that too?

[james40]

Poor James....I've seen numerous rumors about ME supposedly having some kind of mental illness. You feeling bad about that too?

I do feel bad you have a mental illness, as I do for anyone suffering from mental illness.

[redietz]

James,

I'm also a free speech advocate, sometimes unfortunately.

But yes, if you use the word "source" and never reveal it, you have the opportunity to say pretty much anything you want and lend it the veneer of authority/reality. It also helps to constantly say, "This is my opinion," which means you don't necessarily have to have arrived at that opinion via facts or logic, but you are entitled to it. Also, it helps to use a pseudonym,because you can pretty much say anything and it can never be absolutely proven that what goes on the page came from a particular human being. Anyone with account access could have generated the posts, ergo it's helpful for a few people to have account access.

That's why one needs to apply one's own judgement regarding posts. As someone said earlier, when a poster claims to have won year after year after year or is essentially never wrong about much, you have to decide if the poster is who he/she says he/she is or is really George W. Bush or perhaps The Fonz.

Democracy is a tough job. The internet made it tougher, I think.

For example, if I said Frank Kneeland was dead because someone told me, and Frank had a mental illness, and then Frank shows up and makes a completely cogent post, all I have to do is say my source was wrong and if nail-biting hasn't made it into the DSM yet, well, my opinion is that it should, then everything is fine in my world.

[james40]

I'm also a free speech advocate, sometimes unfortunately.

But yes, if you use the word "source" and never reveal it, you have the opportunity to say pretty much anything you want and lend it the veneer of authority/reality. It also helps to constantly say, "This is my opinion," which means you don't necessarily have to have arrived at that opinion via facts or logic, but you are entitled to it. Also, it helps to use a pseudonym,because you can pretty much say anything and it can never be absolutely proven that what goes on the page came from a particular human being. Anyone with account access could have generated the posts, ergo it's helpful for a few people to have account access.

That's why one needs to apply one's own judgement regarding posts. As someone said earlier, when a poster claims to have won year after year after year or is essentially never wrong about much, you have to decide if the poster is who he/she says he/she is or is really George W. Bush or perhaps The Fonz.

Democracy is a tough job. The internet made it tougher, I think.

With that, I agree. At the end of the day, it's all bullshit.