Meet up with "Rob"

[redietz]

I think people in law enforcement would be the real experts on this, and I would defer to them. Alan's a world class interviewer, but I have done interviews, and know people who have done interviews as the key component in their line of work, and our acknowledged tendency is to overestimate what we know and can predict about an individual from the interview.

Law enforcement would know whether to believe four or five hours of face time or hundreds of hours online. I defer to anyone with that experience.

[LoneStarHorse]

quahaug

Well written....

Being an internet bully, douche bag, asshole, braggart ect. is one thing. Pissing on someones grave, taking pleasure in the illness and suffering of others is another. To write that kind of thing and then hit post is more than just screwing around with people for fun. That's not the kind of thing you post and then say just kidding. I for one would not nor could do it.

[LoneStarHorse]

It's packed every where today.... Much busier than last year

[arcimede$]

Not having a lot of time right now and seeing that I'm on my phone, I wish I could remember where I asked arci how he couldn't have had any royals in 500k hands from 2011 to 2014, and how he could have $26k in wins & losses Oct. to Dec. in 2014 when his play was never anything near that high (and when he didn't get life ins. $$ as he says). Were these typos of some sort?

Already responded to your faulty memory. The fact you repeat your lies is not at all surprising to anyone.

[redietz]

Yeah, "memory," "sources," and "opining" are poor substitutes for quotes in black and white. I was a journalism major for a couple of years and worked for newspapers -- you'd get hung for memory, sources, and opining.

Alan obviously knows this much better than us.

[Alan Mendelson]

When I went on TV and said "sources told me" I could tell my News Director who that source was.

[coach belly]

Already responded to your faulty memory. The fact you repeat your lies is not at all surprising to anyone.

Now this discussion comes full circle for me.

What are the lies?

The acrid person above can't treat this forum like civil discourse over dinner...
his default reply is to call others liars.

That is where the acrimony starts.

[arcimede$]

Now this discussion comes full circle for me.

What are the lies?

In the comment I quoted.

Why are you against honesty?

[coach belly]

In the comment I quoted.

Why are you against honesty?

I'm not against honesty...I just don't think you understand what lying means, or what a lie is.

As has been stated by others here...liars always accuse others of lying.

So if you don't mind...please point out the lie(s) in the quoted comment, so that I can fully understand what you mean.

[redietz]

If someone says, "I recall this" or "remember this" regarding someone else, and doesn't pull up available information that contradicts their "memory," and if the "memory" being recalled without fail puts the other person in a bad light, but the available information does not, then what is one to call it?

Self-favorable serial amnesia? Memory bias with malice? I don't know. I'd call it a lie if it's done repeatedly.

[coach belly]

If someone says, "I recall this" or "remember this" regarding someone else, and doesn't pull up available information that contradicts their "memory," and if the "memory" being recalled without fail puts the other person in a bad light, but the available information does not, then what is one to call it?

Self-favorable serial amnesia? Memory bias with malice? I don't know. I'd call it a lie if it's done repeatedly.

Your question above is somewhat confusing.

Let's break it down...

If someone says, "I recall this" or "remember this" regarding someone else, and doesn't pull up available information that contradicts their "memory,

Are you suggesting that someone who says "I recall this" or "I remember this"
should pull up available information that contradicts their memory?

When do you mean...pull up the contradictory info before or after they post their recollection?

[redietz]

You don't say somebody said something until and unless you check if they said it. Everybody has a print history here. If you're going to belittle someone using their own words, at least have the decency to check and make sure the words exist.

Rob constantly says that people have said A, B, or C. When it comes to me, I tell him if I said what he "remembers, " I'll apologize and write a check. Thus far, no checks have been written.

[coach belly]

You don't say somebody said something until and unless you check if they said it. Everybody has a print history here. If you're going to belittle someone using their own words, at least have the decency to check and make sure the words exist.

Rob constantly says that people have said A, B, or C. When it comes to me, I tell him if I said what he "remembers, " I'll apologize and write a check. Thus far, no checks have been written.

OK...so you are making this all about you.

If somebody is mistaken about something that you wrote, or if what you wrote gave them a certain impression,
or maybe they just got confused about what you meant, then they are lying about you?

Is it too much trouble to find your own statement, and point out their mistake?

Is the decent thing to call them a liar instead?

Is that what you are saying?

[redietz]

No, not the first time. Not the second time. I just barrel along and offer to write a check. But at what point would it be fair to label someone a liar? The seventh time they "mis-remember" what you said? The tenth? The 40th? At some point, the veneer of "it's just a mistake" wears off.

As to pulling up quotes to correct someone, if the quotes don't exist, are you supposed to publish the entirety of your history in some 100-page post to demonstrate you never said something? Rob makes stuff up. Who knows what goes on in his head? I'm still trying to figure out his post about me showing up at the Hard Rock Corral and people knowing who I really am.

It's not about me, by the way. Rob's "speculations" about arci's deceased wife, and Frank Kneeland's alleged death, go way beyond any fact-based posts. That kind of speculation, presented as fact, is lying. If you don't know Frank is dead, what possible business do you have stating it as if it's fact? "Sources" tell you Frank is dead? You're "opining" he's dead? It's ridiculous.

[Alan Mendelson]

It's not about me, by the way. Rob's "speculations" about arci's deceased wife, and Frank Kneeland's alleged death, go way beyond any fact-based posts. That kind of speculation, presented as fact, is lying. If you don't know Frank is dead, what possible business do you have stating it as if it's fact? "Sources" tell you Frank is dead? You're "opining" he's dead? It's ridiculous.

The first three rules of journalism are: Accuracy, Accuracy, and Accuracy. Next come: Attribution, Attribution, Attribution.

A forum is like a news feed. Facebook calls its posts a news feed, doesn't it?

[jbjb]

The first three rules of journalism are: Accuracy, Accuracy, and Accuracy...

Tell that to the National Enquirer.

[coach belly]

That kind of speculation, presented as fact, is lying. If you don't know Frank is dead, what possible business do you have stating it as if it's fact? "Sources" tell you Frank is dead? You're "opining" he's dead? It's ridiculous.

You're ridiculous.

For years actor Abe Vigoda was reported, and considered by many, to be dead.

Were the reports of his death "lies"?

Were the folks who mistakenly reported his death liars?

Were the folks who repeated reports of his death liars?

[Alan Mendelson]

I think most of us use the word "lie" to mean with intent to deceive.

However, there are some especially on the Internet who will call any non-truthful statement a lie.

If you were to say "Dan Marino threw 9 touchdown passes that game" and it was not correct, some would call that a "lie." But I think most of us would say the statement was inaccurate -- and not a lie.

However, if you were selling a ticket stub from that game on eBay, and part of your sales pitch was "this is the game when Dan Marino threw 9 touchdown passes" then many of us might say that statement was a lie to foster the sale.

[coach belly]

Rob makes stuff up. Who knows what goes on in his head?

And what goes on in your head, ditz? You never responded to the post below...unless crickets is a response.

So please post the link so everyone can see and we can stop this silly discussion.

[a2a3dseddie]

No, not the first time. Not the second time. I just barrel along and offer to write a check. But at what point would it be fair to label someone a liar? The seventh time they "mis-remember" what you said? The tenth? The 40th? At some point, the veneer of "it's just a mistake" wears off.

As to pulling up quotes to correct someone, if the quotes don't exist, are you supposed to publish the entirety of your history in some 100-page post to demonstrate you never said something? Rob makes stuff up. Who knows what goes on in his head? I'm still trying to figure out his post about me showing up at the Hard Rock Corral and people knowing who I really am.

It's not about me, by the way. Rob's "speculations" about arci's deceased wife, and Frank Kneeland's alleged death, go way beyond any fact-based posts. That kind of speculation, presented as fact, is lying. If you don't know Frank is dead, what possible business do you have stating it as if it's fact? "Sources" tell you Frank is dead? You're "opining" he's dead? It's ridiculous.

Coach belly is suggesting it is better to claim Rob's memory is routinely faulty or that he has Alzheimers rather than say his pants are on fire... at least with respect to the "Old Rob".