Win/loss statements are only accurate if a player uses a card and only plays at machines. In the case of table games, it's up to the floor person to accurately show your buy in and cash out amounts.
I'm not sure they are that accurate.
And if you don't play with a card what could a win/loss statement possibly show?
Add another issue: I've played with someone else's card in the machine.
You guys are funny. So do won/loss statements from offshore casinos count?
How would won/loss statements from casinos prove anything? You could submit all the statements where you won and none of those where you lost.
I mean, there may be a lot of folks going through divorces (not naming names, mind you), who explain the suddenly disappeared nest egg via losses on won/lost forms, and then plead "I'm an addict."
Meanwhile, unless the spouse knows to subpoena every possible casino for won/loss statements (which is dicey with Native American places), the spouse is stuck thinking all the cash went to casinos.
Won/lost statements are, in terms of proving if one won, pretty useless. There is no single overarching won/loss statement, and Native American casinos may bend rules a bit, anyway.
Do you suppose that acrid does not use a player's card when playing?Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Aren't the comps, free play & cash back used to calculate the EV?
Anyway, big wins showing up on a win/loss statement would clear this up for me,
and when he posts them I'll apologize and never speak of it again...and I suspect others will follow suit.
Besides...they are so easy to post here...I'm surprised nobody ever thought of it before.
It took a low self-esteem attention-seeker supreme to break new ground.
Let's assume acrid is not that devious.Originally Posted by redietz
Others may choose not to accept them, but acrid's win/loss statements will shut me up.
On that basis alone why would you discourage him?
I'll tell you why I have a problem with the entire idea. This smacks of someone showing a single big won/loss statement from a single casino as evidence of something. It's not. It's not evidence of anything.
Las Vegas philanthropist and entrepreneur Billy Walters throws massive amounts of money back and forth, many times on different sides of the same game. If you pull up his won/loss sports book statement from one place at the end of year, he may be seven digits in arrears. If you pull up a different place, he may be seven digits to the good. Any conclusions you draw from either selected statement is completely, utterly wrong.
It's not your problem ditz...it's not about you or Billy Walters either...don't fret over it.Originally Posted by redietz
Win/loss statements are notoriously inaccurate.
Arci, I don't think the boys are going to lay down a bet with you. Your loss.
Meanwhile, I am left wondering why arci would provide a won/loss statement for coach's benefit.
No kidding. But that seems to be news to some of the worldly gamblers on this forum.Originally Posted by jbjb
This is probably the best post yet on the subject.Originally Posted by jbjb
Folks, I am still fighting with Caesars over an inaccurate report by a pit boss from about a year ago that had me buying into a roulette session with $100 and cashing out after a fifty dollar loss. I wasn't even in Vegas that weekend. Somehow my Total Rewards account number was noted.
And then there was the time at a craps table when I was recorded making a $40 average bet... but I played for an hour and a half with an average $235 bet that was not recorded.
Alan, I once bet 10K on a boxing match, and the record of that bet had mysteriously disappeared the next day.
Note: It lost.
It's even worse than this. Since the machines I was playing were very old machines, you could manage the win/loss results. What I (and several others) found out is if you pulled your card before hitting the draw button the results would not get posted to your account. Whenever a good paying dealt hand showed up we simply pulled the card and the win/loss statements would not show it. Over the course of a year this took care of almost all the winning.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
This didn't work on newer machines but I only played those machines for freeplay.
As you can now see a win/loss statement from my casino would be worthless. That is why I use tax forms. It is really the only valid measure of a person's results.Originally Posted by redietz
For my benefit?...what do you mean by that?Originally Posted by redietz
LOL...yeah yeah...that's the ticket!Originally Posted by arcimede$
This was common practice in Vegas before the manufacturers caught up and fixed their equipment. Anyone who claims to be knowledgeable about gambling would know this. The fact you seem to be completely clueless says a lot.Originally Posted by coach belly
Your tax returns for 2014 showed that you broken even...how valid was that?Originally Posted by arcimede$
Nobody has to write off any or all of their losses against their W2Gs, and whatever other winnings they claim.
So go ahead and post the win/loss anyway, it'll give a good idea about how much you played,
then we can apply your 21 royals against the losses shown to figure out how much you won.
Card-pulling is what got the teams disqualified from the Revel promotion that Dancer sabotaged...right?Originally Posted by arcimede$
Last edited by coach belly; 02-11-2016 at 09:56 AM.
Yes.Originally Posted by coach belly
Some of the players where I played who pulled cards did it for dealt 4oaks. These occur about twice an hour when playing OEJs so they did a lot of card pulling. I avoided this because the bigger hands were usually enough to keep the totals down and not take the chance of drawing too much attention. That said, I never heard of any of them being asked about their card pulling. There are so many folks that are always messing around with their cards that I doubt the casino really had any idea it was having an effect. Or, maybe they didn't care.
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