Rob, he's admitted he can't answer the questions because there is no right answer to the questions because his entire belief is bogus.

My first question to him: "What is the "return" on a game of craps?" His response: "Well, it could be done if you specify how many games of each type of bet you are going to make." He attempts to wiggle out of giving an answer with a lame reason about specifying the number of games (bets) made. Is there such a condition in figuring the return on any game of video poker? Of course not. Arc himself will tell you that the return on 9/6 Jacks or Better is 99.5% whether you play one hand or a million hands and no matter the denomination. Arc himself will tell you that the return on 8/5 Bonus is 99.2% whether you play one hand or a million hands and no matter the denomination. Yet he tries to wiggle an excuse about his contention about craps having a "return" because it would vary with the bets made.

Well, it is because there are so many bets made and how the bets are made and what the players do with payoffs, that there is no such thing as a "return" for the game of craps. There are returns (if you want to call it that) for each bet because each bet has an edge (or no edge in the case of odds) but there is no "return" for the overall game. It is a concept that does not exist for the game. Yet Arc contends "it could be done if you specify how many games of each type of bet you are going to make."

Nowhere, in any gaming book, manual, discussion or article -- and no where in any casino advertising -- is a "return" on the game of craps discussed. Yet the return on video poker machines and even slot machines is openly discussed.

Trust me on this one: if there were such a thing as a "return" on the game of craps, the casinos would advertise it and adjust it so that they could get a competitive advantage over their competitors. I am sure that Caesars would love to advertise it had a 99% return on craps which beat Bellagio's 98% return on craps. But such advertising does not exist because there is no such thing as a return on craps.

Craps is a game made up of individual bets with each bet having a particular chance of winning or losing, with the house having an edge on every bet except for the odds, and each player has the ability to change not only the bet but how the winnings are used, so there is no way you can look at the long term or even the short term to homogenize the bets into any sort of "return."

Of course if Arc thinks he can come up with a "return" for playing craps, and with all of the 45+ different bets on a craps table (not including the exotic or patented bets, not including the presses, full presses, partial presses, not including the parlays and bet removals, and not including the changes of denominations per bet) then he should state the figure here. Let him set the record straight for everyone else in the world.

By the way, late Saturday night I'll be playing craps at Caesars. I'll let you know if they have a sign in the craps pit that advertises the "return" of the game. LOL