Tipping on hand pays at high limit VP

[Rob.Singer]

I wish Rob would stick to telling people to not tip. He starts to make a point, then he throws in a non-rational, whackjob phrase like "meaningless 'EV'."

The problem, as I have pointed out umpteen times, is that Rob never delineates what minimum EV is necessary for his various systems and mousetraps to win. He just makes a blanket statement about EV being meaningless, which is clearly nonsensical.

After 5000 posts, one would think Rob would occasionally say something like, "Well, at 97.4, my hokum doesn't really work, but it does at 97.8 EV." But Rob's too savvy to get pinned down like that. He just goes with the "meaningless EV" comments, which undermine whatever credibility he might have on other topics.

He has some valid points about tipping. The people one doesn't tip aren't your bodyguards. Nothing bad will happen to you if you don't tip. It's not required. The whole social pressure to tip is not a law of nature. If you skip tipping, the world will not end.

You're again making up what I say or believe in, just to criticize. The point about EV being meaningless is because a percent or two going in has little to no bearing on any individual session, and if you're educated enuf on how to perfect the art of just getting up and leaving with a profit, then all that EV theory does is get in the way.

I've written multiple articles over the years about how hypocritical it is, esp. for so-called "AP's", to claim on the one hand to squeeze every bit of edge out of their VP play--only to forfeit some of it by being weak enuf to give it away to floor people. Makes no sense at all, and I'm sure you agree. And just about everyone would....except for the fact that they can't help themselves but tip, whether or not they realize they're only doing such a foolish thing at the time because they know how intimidated they get from angry stares, or they don't want to believe they're being manipulated (via the vision of all that cash) by people who are labeling them as SUCKERS behind their backs as shifts start.

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You're again making up what I say or believe in, just to criticize. The point about EV being meaningless is because a percent or two going in has little to no bearing on any individual session, and if you're educated enuf on how to perfect the art of just getting up and leaving with a profit, then all that EV theory does is get in the way.

I've written multiple articles over the years about how hypocritical it is, esp. for so-called "AP's", to claim on the one hand to squeeze every bit of edge out of their VP play--only to forfeit some of it by being weak enuf to give it away to floor people. Makes no sense at all, and I'm sure you agree. And just about everyone would....except for the fact that they can't help themselves but tip, whether or not they realize they're only doing such a foolish thing at the time because they know how intimidated they get from angry stares, or they don't want to believe they're being manipulated (via the vision of all that cash) by people who are labeling them as SUCKERS behind their backs as shifts start.

1) For the most part, I agree with your tipping attitudes.
2) EV theory does not "get in the way." That's nonsense. It certainly doesn't get in the way for casinos.
3) It does not really make sense to sweat a tenth of a percent or two in EV and then tip, unless you are (A)on a tremendously positive machine and floor people will fast track you to payouts and W2Gs or (B) you rely on floor personnel for inside info on machines and upcoming promotions. In those cases, tipping makes sense, although it's more like bribing than tipping. In his early days, Dancer did a lot of that.