Yes, I find life to be interesting... even the random things. The problem you seem to have jbjb is that you are too pragmatic. The world is wonderful. Start to enjoy it. You will miss it being locked into your mathematical thinking.
Yes, I find life to be interesting... even the random things. The problem you seem to have jbjb is that you are too pragmatic. The world is wonderful. Start to enjoy it. You will miss it being locked into your mathematical thinking.
What's interesting about it? For one, it's ddbp and the likelihood of 4 A's by just holding the A. I've always held the suited second card because I feel you have a chance STILL at 4 A's, AND 4K's AND the Royal. I don't care about the math as to why I might be wrong. I've held hands like suited J-9 and hit 4 9's. I enjoy seeing winning hands like this. Again- nice hand.Originally Posted by jbjb
We all like seeing high paying hands.Originally Posted by slingshotWhat's interesting about it? For one, it's ddbp and the likelihood of 4 A's by just holding the A. I've always held the suited second card because I feel you have a chance STILL at 4 A's, AND 4K's AND the Royal. I don't care about the math as to why I might be wrong. I've held hands like suited J-9 and hit 4 9's. I enjoy seeing winning hands like this. Again- nice hand.Originally Posted by jbjb
If you're holding J9 suited, ask yourself why you're in the hole gambling...
I asked and came up with "kept playing after winning". Haven't lost the last 4 sessions since I wised up. +$100 ain't much, but it beats -$400. Oh, BTW- I left the machine after hitting 4 9's.Originally Posted by jbjbWe all like seeing high paying hands.Originally Posted by slingshotWhat's interesting about it? For one, it's ddbp and the likelihood of 4 A's by just holding the A. I've always held the suited second card because I feel you have a chance STILL at 4 A's, AND 4K's AND the Royal. I don't care about the math as to why I might be wrong. I've held hands like suited J-9 and hit 4 9's. I enjoy seeing winning hands like this. Again- nice hand.Originally Posted by jbjb
If you're holding J9 suited, ask yourself why you're in the hole gambling...
Why would you hold J9?
Possible 4 J's, or 4 9's or straigjht flush. I've done all three many times doing it. Also, when playing artt style, many times I hit 3 of a kind which sends me back to a lower level for a restart. The most occurring is 3 10's whenever I hold a high card with same suited 10. I mean, I only have a 100 credits to lose before I make a decision in my way of playing.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Wow sling. I'd say anything is possible but your special plays go beyond some of Rob's. I've held Ace-King suited and drawn three aces but I was hoping for one of two high pairs or a long shot royal. But I'd never expect quads of anything. Sometimes you do get super lucky. See my recent hit. In my photo below got quads on the deal.
Congrats. My last trip to a casino, I also got four natural aces...while playing deuces wild. I ate a 2000 calorie slice of Pechanga pizza to drown my sorrows.
Nice. These plays were actually in some of the very first books I read when I first started and weren't really considered special plays. It was my first intro to penalty cards. I like playing hands that have multiple hit possibilities. My single mindedness was actually set by a VP learning program I downloaded in my early years. I went for 3 to a royal in a high pair hand and the warning program came on and told me it was a bad choice. I overrode the program and hit the royal. You would at least think the results would have matched the warning! BTW- I always hold ONLY the 4 A's because I want to get in the habit and not forget to do so whenever I may be in a game like ddbp. Rob has forgotten and done it before- and they wouldn't- or couldn't retrace and see if he would have gotten the kicker!Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Sling - I do the exact same thing with the kicker hold or in the sample above NOT holding the fifth card. It's a discipline habit.
Nice hit though Alan.
Exactly. It's so easy to make simple mistakes and the casinos make enough without a slip in discipline helping them further.Originally Posted by dannyj
I went to Tahoe this weekend to see the Train concert with my son. The concert was great.
After a couple of days of gambling, I found myself behind $800 late on my last night there. I had played a lot of video poker and craps but saw a $1 Wheel of Fortune bank of machines, which I play only seldom. I was attracted to this machine as it has the "Triple Red Hot 3X" symbol similar to the machine where stringing three of those symbols in a line got me 20,000 coins at the fifty cent denomination.
I decided to take a flyer with a Benjamin. After no substantial hits, I found myself down to $70 dollars in credits when three "Spin" symbols finally were lined up, this allowed me to spin the wheel. The result was 15 free games. The games resulted in a $90 win for a total of a $160 credit balance. I was torn between just settling for that small session win or keep playing. I eventually decided to keep playing. I then felt bad as my credit balance slowly eroded down past the $100 buy-in level then kept diving. I regretted my decision to keep playing and not walk with a small session profit.
Then when I got to about a $18 balance, I finally got a second string of "spin" symbols lined up. I then spun the wheel and without much enthusiasm I saw the indicator creep toward the white $1000 segment. I fully expected it to either stop short at $60 or shoot past $1000 to the $55 segment. To my shock, it stopped right at $1000! About 15 years ago, I won hit a Wheel of Fortune at the 1000 coin segment but it was on a fifty cent machine at John's Nugget at Sparks, Nevada. Even then, a slot attendant approached me and told me that they needed to check the machine -- before I was given a $500 "handpay."
But this was the first time I ever hit the 1000 coins segment on a $1 machine. The credits just added up, no slot attendant, no handpay. I just took three photos (see below) and took the payment voucher and left town with a $200 profit the next morning.
FAB
Last edited by FABismonte; 07-10-2017 at 04:10 PM.
Nice hit. And just more proof that quitting while ahead or behind is meaningless.
Nice recovery Fab - was that at Harrah's or Harvey's?
Oh, it's meaningless? So we should all quit when behind. Yep, that's the way to win. Quit when behind.Originally Posted by jbjb
(For the record, it appears that Fab did quit when ahead.)
Fab, nice hit. On the far right reel, it appears the Spin symbol overlaps the 7, but there is no overlap on the other reels. Is that an optical illusion? Or are the spin symbols "floating" above the reels?
Hi Danny:Originally Posted by dannyj
It was at Harrah's but it might as well have been Harveys since it was near the escalator to the tunnel leading to Harveys.
Yes, a nice recovery (particularly on the positive side) is as sweet as a big win to me.
Last edited by FABismonte; 07-10-2017 at 06:42 PM.
Hi Alan:Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Yes, the overlap looked odd to me but it was necessary to have two adjacent lines. No optical illusion.
FAB
Naturaly, YOU don't get it. You win goal fools would've "quit" up the $60 and left. He'd didn't quit and won MORE! The game involved, whether positive or negative EV, doesn't matter.Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonOh, it's meaningless? So we should all quit when behind. Yep, that's the way to win. Quit when behind.Originally Posted by jbjb
(For the record, it appears that Fab did quit when ahead.)
Fab, nice hit. On the far right reel, it appears the Spin symbol overlaps the 7, but there is no overlap on the other reels. Is that an optical illusion? Or are the spin symbols "floating" above the reels?
Again, very nice hit Fab!
No, you and your ilk don't get it. You would say if you were playing a game with a positive expectation to keep playing. You would never quit when ahead because quitting when ahead is meaningless to you. In fact, if you were on a game with a positive expectation and you were losing, you would keep playing even if you kept losing, because you would reason that the game youre playing has a positive expectation.Originally Posted by jbjbNaturaly, YOU don't get it. You win goal fools would've "quit" up the $60 and left. He'd didn't quit and won MORE! The game involved, whether positive or negative EV, doesn't matter.Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonOh, it's meaningless? So we should all quit when behind. Yep, that's the way to win. Quit when behind.Originally Posted by jbjb
(For the record, it appears that Fab did quit when ahead.)
Fab, nice hit. On the far right reel, it appears the Spin symbol overlaps the 7, but there is no overlap on the other reels. Is that an optical illusion? Or are the spin symbols "floating" above the reels?
Again, very nice hit Fab!
You talk out of both sides of your mouth.
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonNo, you and your ilk don't get it. You would say if you were playing a game with a positive expectation to keep playing. You would never quit when ahead because quitting when ahead is meaningless to you. In fact, if you were on a game with a positive expectation and you were losing, you would keep playing even if you kept losing, because you would reason that the game youre playing has a positive expectation.Originally Posted by jbjbNaturaly, YOU don't get it. You win goal fools would've "quit" up the $60 and left. He'd didn't quit and won MORE! The game involved, whether positive or negative EV, doesn't matter.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Again, very nice hit Fab!
You talk out of both sides of your mouth.
What I don't understand is how or why one arrives at the moment to "quit when ahead." If you win your first hand, what is the excuse for not "quitting when ahead?" If you're ahead after 10 hands, what is the excuse for not "quitting when ahead?" If you're ahead after 100 hands, what is the excuse for not "quitting when ahead?" If you're going to "quit when ahead," do you subordinate that decision to the decision you've made to go to the casino for "recreation?" Or does the commitment to x hours of "recreation" take precedent over the "quitting when ahead?'
You can't have it both ways. If you're gonna "quit when ahead," great, but then don't insert some other line of reasoning like, "Well, I drove two hours to the casino, and my date and I are here for the weekend, but I'm ahead after 10 minutes, so I won't quit when ahead because it's too soon."
And let's not forget the main problem with "quitting when ahead." Quitting means you're not doing it again. Pausing when ahead is what people are actually talking about. So what does the length of the pause have to do with anything? "Pausing when ahead" sounds semi-silly and highlights the problem with the whole concept.
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