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[regnis]

I don't have a clue how to determine the EV or anything else, but there has to be a difference playing 1 deal on a million play game versus playing a million different hands on a single play game. Whether it's variance, EV, or anything else pure logic and common sense says there is a difference.

[coach belly]

I don't have a clue how to determine the EV or anything else, but there has to be a difference playing 1 deal on a million play game versus playing a million different hands on a single play game. Whether it's variance, EV, or anything else pure logic and common sense says there is a difference.

Are there any million-play games ?

[regnis]

Probably not. Substitute any number you like. The point is that my over-exaggeration clearly illustrates my belief that there is a difference between a single play game and a multi play game. How that difference effects anything I have no idea. I assume you would still make the bet Coach on a million play game. Clearly Mickey would not.

[coach belly]

Probably not. Substitute any number you like. The point is that my over-exaggeration clearly illustrates my belief that there is a difference between a single play game and a multi play game. How that difference effects anything I have no idea. I assume you would still make the bet Coach on a million play game. Clearly Mickey would not.

It would take much longer to play a million hands on a single play game than on a multi-play game...that's a difference.

I'll make the bet on any machine where the million hands can be played in a reasonable amount of time.

20 hours of play is reasonable, 2000 hours is not.

[slingshot]

Probably not. Substitute any number you like. The point is that my over-exaggeration clearly illustrates my belief that there is a difference between a single play game and a multi play game. How that difference effects anything I have no idea. I assume you would still make the bet Coach on a million play game. Clearly Mickey would not.

It would take much longer to play a million hands on a single play game than on a multi-play game...that's a difference.

I'll make the bet on any machine where the million hands can be played in a reasonable amount of time.

20 hours of play is reasonable, 2000 hours is not.

Hmmmmm. $10,000 a hand on pennies? Sure-sign me up.

[Alan Mendelson]

make the bet with me. I'll put up any amount at any odds you want and I will 100% win.

Are you offering to take this bet...any amount and any odds...no strings attached?

I would have no problem laying someone 100 to 1 that they won't be ahead on a 98% game after 1 million hands.

This is interesting.

I wouldn't wager against Coach on this because 2% is not a big enough margin.

[RS__]

make the bet with me. I'll put up any amount at any odds you want and I will 100% win.

Are you offering to take this bet...any amount and any odds...no strings attached?

I would have no problem laying someone 100 to 1 that they won't be ahead on a 98% game after 1 million hands.

Like I said before, yes. The bet would be based on the theoretical return of the game, not the variance, like Alan says. I'll cut you a break, you don't even have to play 1 million hands. You can play any amount of hands.

1. It has to be worth my time.
2. No weasel clause. Nothing other than the actual game can be used (ie: no freeplay, comps, promos, etc.).

[regnis]

[QUOTE=RS__;50310]

Are you offering to take this bet...any amount and any odds...no strings attached?

I would have no problem laying someone 100 to 1 that they won't be ahead on a 98% game after 1 million hands.

Like I said before, yes. The bet would be based on the theoretical return of the game, not the variance, like Alan says.

What does that mean? The bet would be based on the theoretical return of the game. Would it not be a bet on the actual results?? WTF???

[coach belly]

Are you offering to take this bet...any amount and any odds...no strings attached?

I would have no problem laying someone 100 to 1 that they won't be ahead on a 98% game after 1 million hands.

I'll cut you a break, you don't even have to play 1 million hands. You can play any amount of hands.

The bet would be based on the theoretical return of the game, not the variance

I'm with regnis, I don't know what this means.

I can play any number of hands on a 98% game, and if I finish ahead, then I win the bet?

[blackhole]

[/QUOTE]Like I said before, yes. The bet would be based on the theoretical return of the game, not the variance, like Alan says. I'll cut you a break, you don't even have to play 1 million hands. You can play any amount of hands.

1. It has to be worth my time.
2. No weasel clause. Nothing other than the actual game can be used (ie: no freeplay, comps, promos, etc.).[/QUOTE]


It has to be worth your time. How much is your time actually worth? Shouldn’t you be somewhere raking in the AP dough? Is this offer considered AP’ing? Trying to pull a few bucks from a fellow forum member. You clowns will try anything to prove how smart you are.

You’re really embarrassing yourself. Take a fn walk you fool.

[mickeycrimm]

Like I said before, yes. The bet would be based on the theoretical return of the game, not the variance, like Alan says. I'll cut you a break, you don't even have to play 1 million hands. You can play any amount of hands.

1. It has to be worth my time.
2. No weasel clause. Nothing other than the actual game can be used (ie: no freeplay, comps, promos, etc.).[/QUOTE]


It has to be worth your time. How much is your time actually worth? Shouldn’t you be somewhere raking in the AP dough? Is this offer considered AP’ing? Trying to pull a few bucks from a fellow forum member. You clowns will try anything to prove how smart you are.

You’re really embarrassing yourself. Take a fn walk you fool.[/QUOTE]

Belly has been itching to get a bet down for weeks. Now RS offers him one and you accuse him of being the offensive one? You stupid assclown.

[regnis]

Still waiting for someone to explain what the proposed bet is.

Let's start with:
1. number of hands, and whether it is single play or multi play or anything coach wants.
2. What is the EV on the game. Or can the game be varied.
3. Where.
4. What is the wager.
5. What denomination or denominations.

Much more but let's get this info agreed upon to start.

I estimate another 100 posts without an agreement.

[coach belly]

Still waiting for someone to explain what the proposed bet is.

Let's start with:
1. number of hands, and whether it is single play or multi play or anything coach wants.
2. What is the EV on the game. Or can the game be varied.
3. Where.
4. What is the wager.
5. What denomination or denominations.

Much more but let's get this info agreed upon to start.

I would consider the conditions below to be a good starting point

make the bet with me. I'll put up any amount at any odds you want and I will 100% win.

you don't even have to play 1 million hands. You can play any amount of hands.

[RS__]

Are you offering to take this bet...any amount and any odds...no strings attached?

I'll cut you a break, you don't even have to play 1 million hands. You can play any amount of hands.

The bet would be based on the theoretical return of the game, not the variance

I'm with regnis, I don't know what this means.

I can play any number of hands on a 98% game, and if I finish ahead, then I win the bet?

Re-read what I wrote.

Perhaps it'll also help if you re-read what Alan wrote about it. Then you'll understand my position.

[RS__]

Are you offering to take this bet...any amount and any odds...no strings attached?

Like I said before, yes. The bet would be based on the theoretical return of the game, not the variance, like Alan says.

What does that mean? The bet would be based on the theoretical return of the game. Would it not be a bet on the actual results?? WTF???

Yes, it would be based on the theoretical return of the machine. That's the bet I'm offering, since that's the bet Alan thought Mickey was offering coach belly originally.


In case you guys haven't figured it out yet -- I'm showing how silly of a stance Alan had that the bet was based on the return of the game, since that would be an automatic win for Mickey. Remember when Alan was saying it doesn't matter if coach played a single line game or a multi line game, because (to Alan) the bet "wasn't based on variance"?

[Alan Mendelson]

The bet is all about Coach playing a 98% game and having a profit which APs would describe as impossible because 98% is a negative return.

Of course they insist that they will have a profit on a 102% return game.

Instead of variance this is a bet about video poker skill: can Coach turn a 98% game into a money maker?

[RS__]

The bet is all about Coach playing a 98% game and having a profit which APs would describe as impossible because 98% is a negative return.

Of course they insist that they will have a profit on a 102% return game.

Instead of variance this is a bet about video poker skill: can Coach turn a 98% game into a money maker?

No, it's about variance.

[blackhole]

Belly has been itching to get a bet down for weeks. Now RS offers him one and you accuse him of being the offensive one? You stupid assclown.[/QUOTE]

Between you and RS, this thread is no different than watching a scene from the show dumb and dumber. The chances of this happening are worse than this scene : Yep, I'm the assclown alright.

[Alan Mendelson]

So... suppose it is all about variance? Do you guys want to have the bet/contest or not?

Variance can go either way, as we know. And according to Dancer, Wizard and Grochowski and everybody else, the EV does not change whether played on 1 hand or 100,000 hands which doesn't do much for this "variance" issue, does it?

Is the bet on or not because I want to be there to record it.

[mickeycrimm]

So... suppose it is all about variance? Do you guys want to have the bet/contest or not? Variance can go either way, as we know. And according to Dancer, Wizard and Grochowski and everybody else, the EV does not change whether played on 1 hand or 100,000 hands which doesn't do much for this "variance" issue, does it? Is the bet on or not because I want to be there to record it.

If the number of hands don't matter then lay me 2 to 1, not 100 to 1, that the next hand won't be a winner. If the next hand is a loser I'll pay you $100. If the next hand is a winner you pay me $200. I'll gamble with you on this game all day long.