Grochowski on "advantage video poker"

[blackhole]

I tried to meet up with two of the biggest bullshit AP artists on these sites, in AC and LV. Not to learn anything about their secrets. I don't need to chase dollars down hanging out in casinos with the rest of whats left of my life. Just wanted to meet up with them, take them out to dinner, and talk in person. Wisdom from being around the block a few times combined with just live conversation, could teach a person a lot about the character of someone. The same goes for the other person talking to me.

But, of course neither meeting took place cause the BSAP's wouldn't meet up. Maybe they thought I was going to plant some micro tracking devise on them.

I would appreciate if someone could link me to a single proven, confirmed AP bullshit story. Kewlj, stay out of this, I'm not hiring a lawyer. Besides, I personally feel your alleged success isn't even worth looking into.

[Alan Mendelson]

Yes RS you could create a video just like the Wizard dId that shows the wrong math.

But if you used only two dice and one came to rest on a 2 you would see for yourself that the answer is 1/6. But you and the Wizard won't use two dice.

You're all so smart you can't see your own error.

[bocce ball]

I remember dozens of members who no longer post here and they left saying the same things: there is a lack of useful information and a glut of negativity.

I don't know why some boards are more popular than others. IMO the biggest annoyance here is the repetition, but I don't know how to fix it. In general, I don't think members should be banned simply for being loudmouths. I'm glad Rob is allowed to express himself here, and I know the ignore feature is available if I need it. (So far, I haven't ignored anyone.)

Now getting back to our biggest problem at hand: Can Coach show a profit on a 98% game. The "math" says he won't. I agree, the math says he won't. But maybe if he plays DIFFERENTLY he will beat the expected value.

Some topics are doomed from the start. The proper analytical tools for this situation are mathematics and/or simulations. Actually playing the game is at best a complete waste of time, so the math-oriented posters tend to give lazy or sarcastic responses, although the correct answers are probably mixed in to the discussion.

[redietz]

I tried to meet up with two of the biggest bullshit AP artists on these sites, in AC and LV. Not to learn anything about their secrets. I don't need to chase dollars down hanging out in casinos with the rest of whats left of my life. Just wanted to meet up with them, take them out to dinner, and talk in person. Wisdom from being around the block a few times combined with just live conversation, could teach a person a lot about the character of someone. The same goes for the other person talking to me.

But, of course neither meeting took place cause the BSAP's wouldn't meet up. Maybe they thought I was going to plant some micro tracking devise on them.

I would appreciate if someone could link me to a single proven, confirmed AP bullshit story. Kewlj, stay out of this, I'm not hiring a lawyer. Besides, I personally feel your alleged success isn't even worth looking into.

You know, it's a shame you've been such a horse's ass with me. I'm always up for a free dinner. I'm not sure sports betting falls under your parameters, but if it did, the thing about sports betting -- wins and losses are often recorded for the public to see and follow. Winning contests actually means something. Amounts wagered can be seen in the offshore account records. I can drag along some of my partners or clients to meetings to verify or provide backstory. Some of these guys have known me for 30 years. Hell, Alan has a chunk of my backstory.

But frankly, what would be in it for me? "Proving myself" to some anonymous twit? My profile was good enough to be hired by Billy Walters. I'm one of 50 people who got the email invite to the 2017 Wise Guys Contest.

So some wealthy losing dude wants to sit down and meet some white crows. There's a gazillion wealthy losing dudes out there. Why should the white crows bother?

[blackhole]

wins and losses are often recorded for the public to see and follow.

I owned several thoroughbreds that ran in NY, Florida, and Saratoga. My wins and losses while betting were never recorded for public display, simply because we knew how to do it. Couldn't avoid winning purses.

Take a walk you 2-bit ass-hole.

[redietz]

wins and losses are often recorded for the public to see and follow.

I owned several thoroughbreds that ran in NY, Florida, and Saratoga. My wins and losses while betting were never recorded for public display, simply because we knew how to do it. Couldn't avoid winning purses.

Take a walk you 2-bit ass-hole.

I'm sure you enjoyed posting that you owned thoroughbreds, even though that was a complete non sequitur. One of my partners has a (small) racing stable. I owned a chunk of a horse from the UK a few years back. Didn't work out too well.

There's a difference between picking race winners and making public how much you won doing it. Those are two completely different things. You seem to have missed the distinction.

[blackhole]

There's a difference between picking race winners and making public how much you won doing it. Those are two completely different things. You seem to have missed the distinction.

Your a fn weirdo. By the way, hired by Billy Waters? To do what...be a runner for him? Besides, the guy's a known crook who would turn his back on you and let you rot in jail, as long as he remains free.

Most of these big time exposed AP's always seem to be doing something illegal. Nice bunch of fellows. Look at all the poker big boys and the internet screw job they gave everyone. How about the asshole Phil Ivey and the baccarat scam, plus pissing all his money away on crap games. Yea, that's a special kind of guy.

[mickeycrimm]

The dice math? Where you guys rotate a die to show different faces in order to answer the two dice in a cup problem your way? Sorry. It was wrong. You can't change how a die lands.

You did the same thing in your video.

An absolute lie. I did not.

What I did show is that it didn't matter which of the two dice was showing a 2. But I did not alter the face of a die to answer the question.

Here's my video:

Alan, in this video, if you didn't pick up a die and turn it around I'll kiss your ass on Main St. at high noon.

[Alan Mendelson]

Listen Mickey. I picked up the die which landed showing the six to show the die had six sides. I did not pick up the die to try to show there were eleven possible combinations which is what the Wizard does.

Now don't start with me. Because everyone can watch that video and decide for themselves without taking your word for what happened. This time it's on video.

[Alan Mendelson]

Here's the Wizard's video where he double counts and rotates the die. Let him try that at a table in Vegas or in a street game here in LA.

[mickeycrimm]

I owned several thoroughbreds that ran in NY, Florida, and Saratoga. My wins and losses while betting were never recorded for public display, simply because we knew how to do it. Couldn't avoid winning purses. Take a walk you 2-bit ass-hole.

Take a walk you insolent bag of shit.

[mickeycrimm]

Here's the link to the Wizard's video where he double counts and rotates the die. Let him try that at a table in Vegas or in a street game here in LA.

You were going to gamble with him in it but then chickened out. You used a bunch of phony excuses.

[Alan Mendelson]

Just like you, Mickey, were going to bet with Coach and chickened out?

[redietz]

There's a difference between picking race winners and making public how much you won doing it. Those are two completely different things. You seem to have missed the distinction.

Your a fn weirdo. By the way, hired by Billy Waters? To do what...be a runner for him? Besides, the guy's a known crook who would turn his back on you and let you rot in jail, as long as he remains free.

Most of these big time exposed AP's always seem to be doing something illegal. Nice bunch of fellows. Look at all the poker big boys and the internet screw job they gave everyone. How about the asshole Phil Ivey and the baccarat scam, plus pissing all his money away on crap games. Yea, that's a special kind of guy.

For the record, not a runner. Never a runner. But I did think The Runner was one of the best terrible movies I have ever seen. John Goodman plays a Billy Walters-esque character.

So why again do you want to actually meet some APs, blackhole? So you can evaluate their character?

[kewlJ]

I owned several thoroughbreds that ran in NY, Florida, and Saratoga.

I don't believe this. Can you show proof. Proof of ownership and registration papers, complete with your real name, address. And then show proof that this person is the person that posts as 'blackhole'. The we need proof that these horses all ran in NY, Florida and Saratoga.

Otherwise you are a liar and bullshit artist. Isn't that the way anonymous message board sites work?

[blackhole]

I owned several thoroughbreds that ran in NY, Florida, and Saratoga.

I don't believe this. Can you show proof. Proof of ownership and registration papers, complete with your real name, address. And then show proof that this person is the person that posts as 'blackhole'. The we need proof that these horses all ran in NY, Florida and Saratoga.

Otherwise you are a liar and bullshit artist. Isn't that the way anonymous message board sites work?

First I want you to choose a lawyer, a third party, or arbitrator that I approve of first. Then I want a legitimate meeting place on the east coast that I also approve of. I want 20K confirmed in writing in escrow, with legal documents also confirming the winner of the bet takes all.

[mickeycrimm]

Just like you, Mickey, were going to bet with Coach and chickened out?

I'm still waiting for you chickenshits to get here.

[kewlJ]

First I want you to choose a lawyer, a third party, or arbitrator that I approve of first. Then I want a legitimate meeting place on the east coast that I also approve of. I want 20K confirmed in writing in escrow, with legal documents also confirming the winner of the bet takes all.

I realize you are making fun, but IF I was legitimately challenging you to prove your claims (which I am not, because that is not the way anonymous message boards work), I would provide some incentive for you to do so (like a wager). I would not expect you to prove anything just to satisfy some anonymous person that you don't know on a message board, without providing some benefit for you to do so.

And if there was some wager involving a decent chuck of money, there would have to be legal procedures laid out. Is one party supposed to just trust the other party to pay after the fact. In my short time here, I have personally seen how that works. And quite frankly thinking back on almost every site I have participated on, there is some sort of long running dispute resulting from a claim of one party welching on a bet.

So yeah, you can make fun, but if you want me to prove anything to you, it has to be worth my while to do so. Has to be worth my while to reveal my name, tax documents, deed to home, even to a third party. And for the kind of money that would make it worthwhile for me to do so, I would want protections...guarantees that I will get my money.....hence escrow procedures.

But really none of that is how an anonymous message board works. On an anonymous message board, you can believe or you can not believe an individual and claims. But to think that anyone is going to prove anything just to satisfy some goof-ball's curiosity on an anonymous message board, you are living in an alternative reality. NO ONE would do that.

[coach belly]

But to think that anyone is going to prove anything just to satisfy some goof-ball's curiosity on an anonymous message board, you are living in an alternative reality. NO ONE would do that.

Plenty have done it...we've seen W2Gs for machine play.

Most notably arcimede$ did it...he provided his tax returns for several years.

It seemed pretty easy to do...I don't recall him or anyone else jumping through hoops, and I don't believe any wagers were involved.

And most recently of course, Rob Dietz sent an entire packet of info to Alan to back up his claims.

Maybe nobody has done it on WOV, probably because if you're not polite enough over there, they kick you to the curb.

[Alan Mendelson]

Blackjack players don't get W2Gs, do they? And unless they operate on the honor system 100% it is unlikely they will even report their table game wins.

So, it would be hard to prove the claims of a table games player.

By the way the only times I ever got a W2G at craps was after hitting all 6 on the Fire Bet for $5.