The Package

[Rob.Singer]

I understand that you don't want to do anything to risk your career, but are there are circumstances or conditions where you would be willing to prove to Alan that you can count 2 tables at the same time?

Is there just no way that's going to happen?

You are correct that there is just no way it is going to happen involving me. Maybe someone else would be willing, although I can't imagine why or what benefit they would think there is to them.

Risk to my career is always my top concern and priority, coach belly. But you know what...there might have been a way to work something out, if circumstances were different and things had been handled differently. Even though there still would have been no benefit for me doing so, I might have been more receptive to something.

But I certainly have no desire to prove anything to someone, who has demonstrated they are anti-AP and their only interest is trying to discredit me and other AP's....someone who has been dishonest and manipulative in their attempts to discredit me and other AP's. Why would I have any interest in that? I am not on trial and owe nothing to the likes of an Alan Mendelson or any other doubter/haters from an anonymous message board.

add on: And to be quite frank, these type of people have clearly demonstrated that any proof would not satisfy them. They have made up their mind and no proof would be good enough to satisfy them. We have witnessed this in the redietz situation.

I can clearly see the scenario now. Everything would be manipulated to the advantage of Alan's desired outcome. Tables arranged in such a way. Every seat of the neighboring table filled, attempting to block me. Players instructed to spread out for the purpose of blocking. Dealers told to dealer faster and so on and so forth. Everything "cherry-picked" and manipulated to favor Alan's desired outcome.

If conditions were not right and I couldn't see, Alan would claim 'victory' despite that I said from day 1, that I use this technique when I can. Circumstances are not always favorable for doing so.

And then just imagine if conditions were adequate for tracking and after a number of rounds I had a running count of +12, but because I had missed a couple cards, the actual running count was +10. In this situation, Alan would claim victory because I was off by 2, despite that I would have successfully identified a strong +EV advantage of upwards of 2%, even being off by 2....which of course is the REAL goal of tracking a second table.

So, no coach, I have no desire to participate in Alan's games, to satisfy someone on an anonymous internet forum....someone who can't and won't be satisfied, no matter what I do. Alan can play his trolling games with someone else.

Translation: waaa....waaa....waaa....

[kewlJ]

The reason you feel you have to keep after Alan is because you are not at all sure of yourself. I mean, when you keep whining like a little wussy that you just can't take it anymore and "are finished" with this forum--and then keep coming back for more abuse--and in the process claim how you never reply to anything Rob Singer says only to keep doing it over & over again...I'd say you're either greatly lacking in self-confidence, you grew up a big sissy--or both. My money's on both

Who cares what you think? Seriously...do you think anyone on this site other than your one fan, gives a crap what you think or say? Everyone, less that one member thinks you the laughing stock of not only this forum but possible the entire gambling related internet. You are nothing but one big punch line. And perhaps the biggest joke of all is that you think that makes you relevant. Very sad!

I came to this site at the invitation of my friend Mickey, when our last site imploded. Unfortunately due to the 'cliques' and politics of several of the more popular sites, like WoV, I am somewhat limited, so my desire to interact with a handful of my fellow AP's that I respect, was my driving force in staying here even though I immediately saw no real benefit.

After 2 months of this nonsense, I re-evaluated last week and decided that despite my desire to interact with mickey, RS, Axel, redietz, jbjb and a few others, the negatives outweighed the positives and I made the decision over the weekend to no longer participate here. No goodbye speeches, no drama.

What changed is that over the weekend, Dan made his post and speech and it looked like maybe he intended to put a stop to the trolling, or at least that's what I hoped. It seemed that quite a number of members and potential members had voiced their concerns to Dan, and I was not one of them. I never contacted Dan. That just proved there are many people fed up with the direction and way this site is run. So with that hope of a better tomorrow (as far as the site) and the hope that Dan might actually do something about the likes of YOU, I decided to stay and see what happened.

Unfortunately as this week has progressed, I am getting the feeling there is not a lot of bite to Dan's bark and things seem unlikely to change, but I am still hopeful. In the meantime, I am going to fight back against you and those trolling and trying to bully me. Trolling and being nasty isn't who I am, but I can be just as much a dick as you and Alan. And when I give up on Dan, I will likely leave, but I will do so when I decide....not you dickweed.

[kewlJ]

Translation: waaa....waaa....waaa....

No...that is you trailer trash! I already anointed you Charlie Brown's teacher where everything you say just sounds like waaa....waaa...waaa. Can't you come up with anything freaking original?

[Rob.Singer]

The reason you feel you have to keep after Alan is because you are not at all sure of yourself. I mean, when you keep whining like a little wussy that you just can't take it anymore and "are finished" with this forum--and then keep coming back for more abuse--and in the process claim how you never reply to anything Rob Singer says only to keep doing it over & over again...I'd say you're either greatly lacking in self-confidence, you grew up a big sissy--or both. My money's on both

Who cares what you think? Seriously...do you think anyone on this site other than your one fan, gives a crap what you think or say? Everyone, less that one member thinks you the laughing stock of not only this forum but possible the entire gambling related internet. You are nothing but one big punch line. And perhaps the biggest joke of all is that you think that makes you relevant. Very sad!

I came to this site at the invitation of my friend Mickey, when our last site imploded. Unfortunately due to the 'cliques' and politics of several of the more popular sites, like WoV, I am somewhat limited, so my desire to interact with a handful of my fellow AP's that I respect, was my driving force in staying here even though I immediately saw no real benefit.

After 2 months of this nonsense, I re-evaluated last week and decided that despite my desire to interact with mickey, RS, Axel, redietz, jbjb and a few others, the negatives outweighed the positives and I made the decision over the weekend to no longer participate here. No goodbye speeches, no drama.

What changed is that over the weekend, Dan made his post and speech and it looked like maybe he intended to put a stop to the trolling, or at least that's what I hoped. It seemed that quite a number of members and potential members had voiced their concerns to Dan, and I was not one of them. I never contacted Dan. That just proved there are many people fed up with the direction and way this site is run. So with that hope of a better tomorrow (as far as the site) and the hope that Dan might actually do something about the likes of YOU, I decided to stay and see what happened.

Unfortunately as this week has progressed, I am getting the feeling there is not a lot of bite to Dan's bark and things seem unlikely to change, but I am still hopeful. In the meantime, I am going to fight back against you and those trolling and trying to bully me. Trolling and being nasty isn't who I am, but I can be just as much a dick as you and Alan. And when I give up on Dan, I will likely leave, but I will do so when I decide....not you dickweed.

Colorful language.

How insecure you must be to keep feeling you just HAVE to explain yourself every time I've taken you out to the woodshed. That must be a common trait among people like you. Eventually, you'll be seeking my sympathy. You do know that, right?

Now back to my run-down/toiletless trailer....where my wife, son, and grandkids are waiting for the head of the FAMILY--something you chose yourself out of ever experiencing--to fire up the BBQ. My guess is you're busy crafting yet another feel-good ramble in advance of either Alan or I ruffling your little feathers yet again.

[coach belly]

I have no desire to participate in Alan's games, to satisfy someone on an anonymous internet forum....someone who can't and won't be satisfied, no matter what I do. Alan can play his trolling games with someone else.

OK then, how about somebody else...a neutral party who you both trust?

[Biloxi Bill]

I have no desire to participate in Alan's games, to satisfy someone on an anonymous internet forum....someone who can't and won't be satisfied, no matter what I do. Alan can play his trolling games with someone else.

OK then, how about somebody else...a neutral party who you both trust?

Don`t get too excited...the title of this thread has to do with redietz` PR documents, not Rob`s junk...it`s ok, mistakes happen

[coach belly]

Don`t get too excited...the title of this thread has to do with redietz` PR documents, not Rob`s junk...it`s ok, mistakes happen

You can always tell what's on the Donkey's mind.

But it's not right for him to bust j about it.

[RS__]

Just ignore Rob Stringer. Problem solved.

[Rob.Singer]

Just ignore Rob Stringer. Problem solved.

This is funny....coming from an iron-willed personality who spent his first year trying very unsuccessfully to fence with his obsession.

Enter kew, who's easily rattled and who's brought gambling forum-lying to a whole new level. But his sensitive, thin skin isn't quite up to the task. He continuously chooses to claim that nothing or no one bothers him if they don't believe his baloney, yet it never does take THAT long for his true colors to appear. Sissy-like, unable to keep his word, and weak: a true pro.....

[Alan Mendelson]

Who cares what you think?

You directed that at Rob. Actually, a lot of people care about what Rob thinks -- in fact, thousands of people have come to this forum and to my website to find out what Rob thinks and suggests for playing video poker.

Except when Rob gets derailed, (Rob you do get derailed a lot), he makes a lot of helpful contributions here and shares his knowledge and strategies. Kewlj it's unfortunate that the APs can't or won't share their knowledge. They make their claims but because they are APs and fear the wrath of the casinos will come down on them they don't share or contribute anything except their claims about mystery machines and mystery games and dealers who screw up. (There is an exception: mickey, and I commend him for pointing out the machines that give him an advantage.)

One of Rob's videos with me has been viewed more than 8,000 times. And the average has been viewed between 1,300 and 5,000 times. Those are unique views -- and YouTube does not count repeat views.

Rob's pages on my website have been viewed tens of thousands of times.

Except for the few APs here, I've never received a complaint about Rob's advice, though I admit not everyone agrees with it and I certainly don't follow it. But it is respected.

I've also been in casinos with Rob and Rob is respected. I saw him interact with casino managers who allowed us to shoot some videos in the casinos by the video poker machines in the high limit areas. Not everyone can pull that off.

Rob actually has a pretty good reputation... except with the APs. Go figure.

[RS__]

Rob actually has a pretty good reputation... except with the APs. Go figure.

Wow. That's like saying "criminal XYZ has a great reputation with all the big mafia bosses and cartel leaders.....the DEA and FBI they don't get along". It makes sense to me why a casino would want to promote a system that lets players win (because it doesn't). Same applies with card counting and classes that Dancer teachers -- most people who attempt AP won't be able to succeed, and those who are good enough and do succeed just get backed off or 86'd.

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob actually has a pretty good reputation... except with the APs. Go figure.

Wow. That's like saying "criminal XYZ has a great reputation with all the big mafia bosses and cartel leaders.....the DEA and FBI they don't get along". It makes sense to me why a casino would want to promote a system that lets players win (because it doesn't). Same applies with card counting and classes that Dancer teachers -- most people who attempt AP won't be able to succeed, and those who are good enough and do succeed just get backed off or 86'd.

No. Rob actually has a reputation and a good reputation as being a gentleman, and he is respected because he is known, and people know him from his articles in GT. Criticize him all you want but the name Rob Singer has an impact.

As far as APs go... APs do what APs do. Do APs get friendly with dealers and management? Do APs even join players clubs? No. LOL.

Quite honestly, the casinos have you guys figured out the moment they ask for you for a players card and you say you don't have one and you don't want one. Because of that you'll never get much respect or even a friendly smile. They know what you're trying to do. They've got your number. So get what you can, and then you're out.

So I agree with your assessment about APs: "those who are good enough and do succeed just get backed off or 86'd."

[RS__]

Rob actually has a pretty good reputation... except with the APs. Go figure.

Wow. That's like saying "criminal XYZ has a great reputation with all the big mafia bosses and cartel leaders.....the DEA and FBI they don't get along". It makes sense to me why a casino would want to promote a system that lets players win (because it doesn't). Same applies with card counting and classes that Dancer teachers -- most people who attempt AP won't be able to succeed, and those who are good enough and do succeed just get backed off or 86'd.

No. Rob actually has a reputation and a good reputation as being a gentleman, and he is respected because he is known, and people know him from his articles in GT. Criticize him all you want but the name Rob Singer has an impact.

As far as APs go... APs do what APs do. Do APs get friendly with dealers and management? Do APs even join players clubs? No. LOL.

Quite honestly, the casinos have you guys figured out the moment they ask for you for a players card and you say you don't have one and you don't want one. Because of that you'll never get much respect or even a friendly smile. They know what you're trying to do. They've got your number. So get what you can, and then you're out.

So I agree with your assessment about APs: "those who are good enough and do succeed just get backed off or 86'd."

This post is very telling about your lack of understanding of AP. You literally have no idea what you're talking about.

I don't particularly care about respect or friendly smiles from management or those who work in a casino (although I'd rather get it than not). If that's your goal, go ahead, but it's not mine.

[Alan Mendelson]

Of course I don't understand AP. You guys keep it a secret, so no one could know. LOL

[dannyj]

Rob actually has a pretty good reputation... except with the APs. Go figure.

Wow. That's like saying "criminal XYZ has a great reputation with all the big mafia bosses and cartel leaders.....the DEA and FBI they don't get along". It makes sense to me why a casino would want to promote a system that lets players win (because it doesn't). Same applies with card counting and classes that Dancer teachers -- most people who attempt AP won't be able to succeed, and those who are good enough and do succeed just get backed off or 86'd.

Quite honestly, the casinos have you guys figured out the moment they ask for you for a players card and you say you don't have one and you don't want one.

I hadn't thought about the aspect of players club cards.

kewlJ, RS_, is that true, and i realize it's probably a dumb question. When playing your preferred table game do you not use a club card?

[Rob.Singer]

But I DO understand it, mainly because I was one. The biggest reason what they do seems a secret to those on the outside is because, beyond quoting classroom & book theory--which is obviously indisputable--they cannot PROVE it works in practice, they use true obfuscation to value their slot club freebies, tournament & drawing "values", and supposed earnings of "X" amount per hour for this or that play. AP is, in effect, a great example of utilizing smoke & mirrors in order to attach phantom bucks to the already mysterious equation.

Thus, their unending wild claims like counting 2 tables simultaneously, 10% & greater vp edges, mickey's famous and never-ending "1% and up meter" claims....which nearly always are accompanied by the weak "we can't tell anyone how it's done, where, who, what or why" load of crap. It's like they're ASKING to get whipped. Which coincidentally is exactly what they get.

[jbjb]

Wow. That's like saying "criminal XYZ has a great reputation with all the big mafia bosses and cartel leaders.....the DEA and FBI they don't get along". It makes sense to me why a casino would want to promote a system that lets players win (because it doesn't). Same applies with card counting and classes that Dancer teachers -- most people who attempt AP won't be able to succeed, and those who are good enough and do succeed just get backed off or 86'd.

Quite honestly, the casinos have you guys figured out the moment they ask for you for a players card and you say you don't have one and you don't want one.

I hadn't thought about the aspect of players club cards.

kewlJ, RS_, is that true, and i realize it's probably a dumb question. When playing your preferred table game do you not use a club card?

I never use a card for table games AP. And if I'm in a casino where I'm playing table games AP, I will never use it on machines either, as you can be tracked back to them.

And Rob can keep up his whining about us "exposing" our plays all he wants. Ain't gonna happen!!

[dannyj]

Quite honestly, the casinos have you guys figured out the moment they ask for you for a players card and you say you don't have one and you don't want one.

I hadn't thought about the aspect of players club cards.

kewlJ, RS_, is that true, and i realize it's probably a dumb question. When playing your preferred table game do you not use a club card?

I never use a card for table games AP. And if I'm in a casino where I'm playing table games AP, I will never use it on machines either, as you can be tracked back to them.

Interesting. So you will use a card if you intend to ONLY play VP? Would i be right to assume you have preferred locations where you just play table games and other locations where you just play VP?

[jbjb]

I hadn't thought about the aspect of players club cards.

kewlJ, RS_, is that true, and i realize it's probably a dumb question. When playing your preferred table game do you not use a club card?

I never use a card for table games AP. And if I'm in a casino where I'm playing table games AP, I will never use it on machines either, as you can be tracked back to them.

Interesting. So you will use a card if you intend to ONLY play VP? Would i be right to assume you have preferred locations where you just play table games and other locations where you just play VP?

Card use only comes into play if its needed. In most cases, it's just not worth it for the casinos to have your personal information. Players cards are for one reason, "data mining."

[kewlJ]

I play BJ unrated for reasons already stated by others, in addition to the casinos have almost stopped giving out anything worthwhile as far as comps or points for blackjack play...even to negative EV players. But our machine play is rated. The comps, points, mail offers are actually the basis of our machine play.

Alan, as for Rob, you can make all these claims about what a great guy he is and how smart and successful he is all you want. I don't know him other than from 2 months on this site and in that time he has been the biggest dick and troll I have ever encountered on the internet and he takes pleasure in that. I wish I could share with you the private messages I have received in the last 24 hours from numerous people that used to participate here but no longer do because of Rob and people that only read and have never participated because of Rob (a couple even said because of Rob AND Alan).

So your support and admiration for a guy intentionally trying to destroy what is now Dan's site is misplaced and bizarre. That is a reflection of you. Although before my time, I have read some things on another site of when Rob was attacking you, Alan, saying things about you being a degenerative gambler that costs you marriages? You didn't seem to think that was so funny did you, Alan? But I guess as long as he is attacking others and not you, you are ok with it. Alan, that makes you an enabler. And I get the feeling you are very much afraid of Rob, so you cozy up to him, just so he won't turn his attack on you. Alan, that makes you a coward!