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[regnis]

MisterV have I posted anything here that you think comes from Rob?

By the way, Regnis why would you like Rob to return?

I believe the balance of this forum requires a "Rob" or someone like him to call out the BS. I also find him to be pretty entertaining, for the most part, although he did get to a point where his anger, whether real or fake, was over the top. I say this even tho I am 100% polar opposite with him politically. I am not a hater of people based on color, religion, origin, sexuality, etc. and I sometimes cringe at the things he says. But I also believe in free speech, even on a private forum.

[OneHitWonder]

I believe the balance of this forum requires a "Rob" or someone like him to call out the BS.

Does it really take one to know one? Of course, not.

[MisterV]

WoV is doing fine, and they don't have a "Singer."

They don't allow his ilk to post there.

[Alan Mendelson]

WOV is a dead forum with very low traffic. It does fine for the ten people who visit there.

I remember when the same was said about this forum. Now welcome to all the WOV members who post here.

[MisterV]

It is far from dead, Alan.

Sour grapes.

[Alan Mendelson]

It is far from dead, Alan.

Sour grapes.

As of a minute ago, these are the stats shown on the WOV forum: Members Who Have Visited the Forum Today 15

As of a minute ago, this forum had 5 members and 165 guests.

You decide what those numbers mean. Meanwhile, I see no increase in members on this forum since Rob was banned.

[MisterV]

Small sampling over a fifty minute period.

Real probative evidence.

Not.

[OneHitWonder]

Real probative evidence.

Half the number of people show up. 99% of the top posters are long gone. The only interesting thread (to me) is the DDoS one. I don't read even the Trump thread, anymore. Who wants to read RS and Axel, and jbjb, and Romes on drivel? Like I wrote, I thought about going back for another gig, but won't. Even the trolls are long gone. Except, of course, the Wiz and company.

[MisterV]

Yes, but the grand old lady is not quite "dead" yet.

Dying, maybe: I'll grant you that.

[OneHitWonder]

Dead to me. When there are other better boards, it's dead to every one else. But then you like LarryS.

[MisterV]

Just curious: what gambling boards do you currently consider to be "better" than WoV?

I used to feud with and flame LarryS., but over time an unspoken truce arose.

Come to find out we grew up about the same time a couple towns apart.

Never met him and never will, but I find something of value in many of his posts: obviously YMMV.

[OneHitWonder]

There have been a lot of crazy gambling boards, over the years. So, to have sat on the WoV all that time would have been a travesty. As with most other boards, too, people become complacent, and go away thinking that every one in the world is there, and feels the same way about it. After all, the population in general is barely scratched on all of these boards taken together. 99.9999% of the people in the real (non-internet forum) world, I think, would just say it's all a big waste of time. This is the same with anything else, though, as some like darts, but most wouldn't give it a go.

To consider a lot of boards is to see the differences, and then the shifts in psychologies and philosophies, which are extensive and follow tight-knit scripts. Shortly after the Wiz's public board began, I asked the professional opinion of someone at an internet addiction board about the Wiz's motives, etc. Not a ringing endorsement, so I was quickly ridiculed and banned. Stuff like that. Not sure that that post is still there, but I seem to recall that a lot of that thread was re-written with posts that I actually did not write. I came to see the real side of the Wiz, early on. A desperate loser who kept trading off on himself and others for a quick buck.

The interesting thing about VegasMessageBoard is that I never once felt even the slightest urge to question anyone's motives, or post anything smart-alecky or off-color. Another super or serious board is the SBR sports forum. They have a member there who became famous among gamblers in Canada for consistently beating the self-pick type sports tickets. The guy made millions over a year or two, and then was promptly harassed by the various authorities, including Revenue Canada Agency. True story. They made up and/or enforced a bunch of rules that then stopped him from buying more than a few or a hundred dollars in tickets each week. I forget or didn't know all of the details, but I asked around there until someone pointed him out to me.

Some boards, like this, are enjoyable in a different way. Alan gets himself worked up into a shit-storm, sometimes, and then acts accordingly. Singer keeps writing about how smart he is, and how dumb we are. People keep arguing with him, all the while someone else sends him another $5 for toilet paper with writing on it. Your "friend" LarryS just can't let anything go, in the sense he is compelled to try to win every argument with some sort of home-grown logic.

Anyway, why would a sports gambler get involved with Shack consistently losing money on football, when they can find some real-life ongoing success stories elsewhere? There are poker players out there making millions from home, as well, and they are interesting to get to know a bit, and to see how they do it. They're the ones who don't worry about talking about it, let alone about who gets banned from where.

In the end, I think that the best way to view gambling is to study it rather than relate to them. How they relate to each other is another story. I guess that they like to hear each other's meaningless mumbo jumbo in such fashion that it is always open to their own interpretation.

[kewlJ]

I used to feud with and flame LarryS., but over time an unspoken truce arose.

Come to find out we grew up about the same time a couple towns apart.

That is a very odd rationale. I used to feud with him (because he was a dick and troll), but then I found out we grew up in the same area. So he is not so bad.

You first inclination was correct. LarryS is a troll and dick so you being (sometimes) a reasonable human being, feuded with him. Finding out that you have something in common should not change your opinion. That is bizarre

That would be like if it was revealed that Stephen Paddock was from Daytona, Florida area and spent much of his youth at the beach surfing, as I did, that I would declare: "well he's not such a bad guy".

As for Wov, it has been well documented the number of members that visit daily are down. It used to average more than 300 daily, a couple years ago and now most days is about 180 and some weekend days closer to 160. That is off 40-50% from just a few years ago.

I would also argue that quality is down even more. When I joined about 6 years ago, Wov was what I called an AP-related forum. It wasn't strickly AP or blackjack like a couple other forums I had been on (BJ21), but there were a fair number of AP's, professional and recreational, and a good amount of discussions centering around AP, gambling and vegas. Now there are only a handful of legit AP's and most of the discussion is non AP, gambling and vegas related.

There is no two ways about it....Wov is on the decline....but hey they still have mighty Norm Wattenberger , the "forum Nazi", as a contributing member. Well, not really contributing on a regular basis, Norm shows up every couple of months to promote his site or some feature of his site.

[AxelWolf]

I used to feud with and flame LarryS., but over time an unspoken truce arose.

Come to find out we grew up about the same time a couple towns apart.

That is a very odd rationale. I used to feud with him (because he was a dick and troll), but then I found out we grew up in the same area. So he is not so bad.

You first inclination was correct. LarryS is a troll and dick so you being (sometimes) a reasonable human being, feuded with him. Finding out that you have something in common should not change your opinion. That is bizarre

That would be like if it was revealed that Stephen Paddock was from Daytona, Florida area and spent much of his youth at the beach surfing, as I did, that I would declare: "well he's not such a bad guy".

As for Wov, it has been well documented the number of members that visit daily are down. It used to average more than 300 daily, a couple years ago and now most days is about 180 and some weekend days closer to 160. That is off 40-50% from just a few years ago.

I would also argue that quality is down even more. When I joined about 6 years ago, Wov was what I called an AP-related forum. It wasn't strickly AP or blackjack like a couple other forums I had been on (BJ21), but there were a fair number of AP's, professional and recreational, and a good amount of discussions centering around AP, gambling and vegas. Now there are only a handful of legit AP's and most of the discussion is non AP, gambling and vegas related.

There is no two ways about it....Wov is on the decline....but hey they still have mighty Norm Wattenberger , the "forum Nazi", as a contributing member. Well, not really contributing on a regular basis, Norm shows up every couple of months to promote his site or some feature of his site.

I think forums are down accross the board. Gambling forums probably top the list of the slow downs. It seems like it's the same gambling stuff rehashed over and over on any gambling forum. Let me know how WOO is doing and far as generating a profit. According to one of the owners its doing well. I see they just bough Mikes VP app. I seem to rember they said Mike could stay on as long as he wished.

[kewlJ]

I think forums are down accross the board. Gambling forums probably top the list of the slow downs. It seems like it's the same gambling stuff rehashed over and over on any gambling forum. Let me know how WOO is doing and far as generating a profit. According to one of the owners its doing well. I see they just bough Mikes VP app. I seem to rember they said Mike could stay on as long as he wished.

I don't know about other types of forums. I have never belonged to or participated on any forum that wasn't somewhat related to gambling, AP or vegas. So please do tell us the trends at the sewing, cooking and shopping forums you participate at.

Sure, I will agree that most of the gambling related, especially AP related forum that I have participated at, are on the decline. Trying to be objective, I would say there are two reasons. One is the demographics of gambling/and especially AP enthusiasts. Most AP's are older, even older than you (if that is possible) Specific to card counting, the peak period was like the 90's. I was in grade school. So as these card counting AP's die out and/or just leave the game (and forums), there are far fewer younger, serious card counters replacing them. Although I am not as familiar with machine play, it seems similar, the peak period was a while back, maybe not quite as far, maybe the early 2000's. But it's a similar situation, more are dying out or leaving the game than younger guys getting into it.

Second reason, personalities and egos of the people involved in this area, I suppose myself included. I think this is a common trait or characteristic of AP's that play 'seriously' or for a living. And that leads to many confrontations, feuds, pissing contests and eventually bannings from sites and forums. Bannings of good, knowledgeable experienced players (for all their/our faults) that can't easily be replaced.

WOO is a very unique site based on the mathematics of gambling and is not part of the discussion of gambling forums. Wov is the forum, not WOO.

As for Mike, trying to remain objective and overlook my personal feelings concerning his actions concerning me, Mike is a draw at Wov. He is the "cult leader". Of course the online casino folks that own the site, want him to stay active as long as possible. But he has had his payday, he is not as active, nor as enthusiastic as he used to be. You being a Mike groupie will disagree, but to me he is just going through the motions. Every once in a while he buckles down (probably at owners suggestion) and knocks out a few game reviews or evaluations, but he is not the same Mike as before the sale. He is just going through the motions.

[MisterV]

That is a very odd rationale.

That "discovery" did not lead in itself to an ability to coexist; it came after the fact.

He's a pretty sharp guy, just try not to piss him off.

[OneHitWonder]

That is a very odd rationale.

He's a pretty sharp guy, just try not to piss him off.

Is he sharper than you? What is the value of being sharp? If monkeys and apes had opposable thumbs, they would have been our slaves?

[pkspins]

I have a number of different gambling forums in my bookmarks, but this one is my favorite in terms of interesting day-to-day ongoing discussions. And probably the one I feel most comfortable posting in. While I find interesting reading elsewhere, in terms of slot machine, restaurants, hotels, and comps, more actual discussion goes on here. I don't feel comfortable always chiming in on discussions in other forums because I'm never one of the clique as I do not as a rule do the whole meet and greet, get together with other forum members to party thing, which seems to be a focus at a lot of the forums. I will post to answer specific questions but generally don't participate in discussions. I also don't feel comfortable posting trip reports, at least live - I tried it once and felt horribly uncomfortable. So those are two barriers to fitting in that I really don't feel here. I don't know any of you personally, although I did introduce myself to Alan once in Vegas, and I don't feel that I need to.

A lot of forums aren't as active as they used to be. I rarely visit WOV as what discussions I would find interesting usually move very slow. VMB moves quickly but there are a lot of inane repetitive posts about which hotel is best to stay at to wade through - I mostly go there to do specific searches. In others it is a lot of trip reports with pages of good luck and then pages of way to gos and sorry you didn't do betters with trip details somewhere in the middle. But even within that and alone there is still a lot of new content out there in terms of comp changes, restaurant reviews, things to do in Vegas besides gambling, that are interesting and have helped me plan my trips.

[MisterV]

What is the value of being sharp?

I should think the answer to that one is fairly obvious.

I'll give you one scenario:

A sharp man becomes aware of a threat and attempts to neutralize it.

A not so sharp man becomes aware of a threat and does little other than say his prayers.

Action vs. Hope.

There are other scenarios I could give you, but that would not be necessary for a sharp man, who would quickly catch my drift.

Would you like some more examples?

[AxelWolf]

That is a very odd rationale.

That "discovery" did not lead in itself to an ability to coexist; it came after the fact.

He's a pretty sharp guy, just try not to piss him off.

You are talking about a guy you never meet in person. I have met a few people who seem very sharp behind their computeres, they are very well written and even poetic at times, they make great arguments, they seem as if they know alot and are very intelligent, but in real life they are kinda idiots who can barley navigate though their day while living paycheck to paycheck.