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[redietz]

You can still put a value on it, you just have to figure out what the odds of that happening are.

Even with real money or money in the bank there is a chance something can happen to it, so do you put less value on it untill it's spent? I would not agrue with you if you said yes.

Point taken, but I'm insured with most banks. The bottom line is that I've had stashed (already earned) dollar amount of comps dramatically reduced without warning in the past, so it's something in my experience that is much more likely than a bank failure not backed by the feds. Had I been relying on my assumptions regarding comp values in the decisions (and math) of whether to play, these instances would have rendered my math and decisions to play wrong. That would have all been on me.

What kind of comps are we talking about? If you are talking RFB comps, I put very little value on that kind of stuff. It's just icing on the cake.

They were RFB comps, which (if I were putting a value on them) I'd probably assign 30-35%, even though I would have used them. But I didn't assign anything. Now RFB seems like nothing, but when people got docked thousands in RFB, then that was an issue. I don't have all of the details yet, but in a different, recent situation, it appears to me that WestGate has begun putting an expiration date on RFB comps earned at the sports book. Either that or they just retroactively reduced stuff. Anyway, the point is that nobody sent me an email or gave me a call saying, "Your comps now have an expiration date" or "We just reduced your stashed comps." Previously, there was no expiration, but any rules are at the discretion of management. So that's a kick in the behind. Really, I have no interest in being the guy who calls each sports book every week to see if their comp policy is changing.

Free play and RFB abide by the same rules, don't they? They can be revoked or reduced at any time. And you can be singled out for revocation based on your individual characteristics if management chooses.

[mickeycrimm]

This stuff is new to me because I was isolated in Montana for almost 10 years. I'm getting two kinds of freeplay. There is the freeplay offer that comes through the mail where, for instance, one casino sent me $300 in freeplay to be played in $75 increments each week in the month of November. The freeplay goes right onto my card each week so I don't have to go to a boothling to get it. Of course, with an offer like this you time your arrival for the end of one week and the start of the next so you get $75 on the first day and $75 on the second day.

The other kind of freeplay is what I get while actually playing the machines. The casino I'm currently at has .5% freeplay on your action. So for every $200 in action I run I accumulate 1 freeplay dollar.

I've been at this joint for five days. I'm not playing video poker. I'm only playing the vulturable line games. I've run 13.1K in action. That's my total wager over 5 days of being here. You can do that at dollar video poker in a few hours. I can only do what the traffic will bear. If I don't have an edge I don't play, period.

I DON'T RUN A HUGE WAGER ON A THIN EDGE. I RUN A THIN WAGER ON A HUGE EDGE.

There are five different games involved with a total of fifteen machines. They are all short term positive plays left by the ploppies. One game has 25 different bet levels to check for plays. So I get a lot of plays every day. I just got back to the room after making a sweep. I'll give it a couple of hours then go make another sweep.

So far I've got a 2.4k earn on a 13.1k wager. That's about a 20% earn on the action. That's how it works in my world. And yes, sling, I work the short term. I rarely have a losing day. It's hard to have a losing day when you work such big edges.

[redietz]

This stuff is new to me because I was isolated in Montana for almost 10 years. I'm getting two kinds of freeplay. There is the freeplay offer that comes through the mail where, for instance, one casino sent me $300 in freeplay to be played in $75 increments each week in the month of November. The freeplay goes right onto my card each week so I don't have to go to a boothling to get it. Of course, with an offer like this you time your arrival for the end of one week and the start of the next so you get $75 on the first day and $75 on the second day.

The other kind of freeplay is what I get while actually playing the machines. The casino I'm currently at has .5% freeplay on your action. So for every $200 in action I run I accumulate 1 freeplay dollar.

I've been at this joint for five days. I'm not playing video poker. I'm only playing the vulturable line games. I've run 13.1K in action. That's my total wager over 5 days of being here. You can do that at dollar video poker in a few hours. I can only do what the traffic will bear. If I don't have an edge I don't play, period.

I DON'T RUN A HUGE WAGER ON A THIN EDGE. I RUN A THIN WAGER ON A HUGE EDGE.

There are five different games involved with a total of fifteen machines. They are all short term positive plays left by the ploppies. One game has 25 different bet levels to check for plays. So I get a lot of plays every day. I just got back to the room after making a sweep. I'll give it a couple of hours then go make another sweep.

So far I've got a 2.4k earn on a 13.1k wager. That's about a 20% earn on the action. That's how it works in my world. And yes, sling, I work the short term. I rarely have a losing day. It's hard to have a losing day when you work such big edges.

All I can say is WOW. That is maestro stuff. My saying is "any profit is a good profit." You're cruising to profits as opposed to grinding.

[OneHitWonder]

All I can say is WOW. That is maestro stuff. My saying is "any profit is a good profit." You're cruising to profits as opposed to grinding.

Going back and forth with b.s. can be fun but you seem to actually believe your b.s. stories so it's a little weird.

On a gambling board, I think it's called straight-up mental illness.

On second thought, it's a good time to make my last gambling forum post, ever. Can't sink much lower than this.

Translation: Just another way of doing the same thing over and expecting a different result. No matter how controlled or precise the AP stunts, it's still a very slow road to nowhere (by everywhere).

[redietz]

I'm glad OneHit has discovered what pursuits in life have true value. Perhaps he'll wind up on Mt. Rushmore. But wait, isn't OneHit doing the same thing over and expecting a different result? No matter how precise or controlled his writing, he's still on a very slow road to nowhere (every time). Why is OneHit obliquely critiquing (or not so obliquely, depending on your caffeine intake) what APs do when he is doing exactly what APs do? And if he is criticizing APs, surely being a stupid non-AP gambler is just as slow a road to nowhere (by everywhere), except you've given more money to casinos in the process? We have, as Churchill said, a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.

But that's OTAY, as the philosopher Buckwheat used to say.

P.S. No, I haven't seen the new Churchill movie. But I will.

[kewlJ]

This stuff is new to me because I was isolated in Montana for almost 10 years. I'm getting two kinds of freeplay. There is the freeplay offer that comes through the mail where, for instance, one casino sent me $300 in freeplay to be played in $75 increments each week in the month of November. The freeplay goes right onto my card each week so I don't have to go to a boothling to get it. Of course, with an offer like this you time your arrival for the end of one week and the start of the next so you get $75 on the first day and $75 on the second day.

The other kind of freeplay is what I get while actually playing the machines. The casino I'm currently at has .5% freeplay on your action. So for every $200 in action I run I accumulate 1 freeplay dollar.

Yeah that first kind of free play, the "mailer freeplay" is why I got into machine play at all, after I moved to Vegas. Just relatively small amounts of coin-in generated disproportionally advantageous mailer freeplay offers from the local type casinos that were literally competing for the local market. It was really good for a few years, but now almost all have tightened up some, some tightened up a lot.

[OneHitWonder]

But wait, isn't OneHit doing the same thing over and expecting a different result? No matter how precise or controlled his writing, he's still on a very slow road to nowhere (every time).

Translation: When and where no different, or any, result is possible, it is best to do the same thing over and over: namely, to call out a bunch of nuts (so others won't be left to wonder). It's a lot easier and conciser.

[slingshot]

How do I change my forum name to "Vulture"?