Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
The gurus have NOT avoided it Mickey. In the early days we had get-togethers at places like Ellis Island and we played on real tables and we kept our counts. Yes the SRRs were better than 1 in 7 but frankly a random shooter often can step up to the table and roll eight, nine or ten times before a seven out. So the SRR was no proof.

What could be proof is the actual delivery: the soft toss, the dice in parallel on axis, hitting the center of the back wall gently. And as I watched I realized not even the gurus could do that.

This is why I say I've only seen three true dice influencers.

But I also say it doesn't hurt to try.

Frankly I don't know why Axel argues with me? I'm saying what he should agree with. Is it just that he objects to even one true DI being alive? Do three true DIs make his life unbearable?

I've never seen regnis roll. Perhaps he's the fourth and Scoblete is the fifth?

With millions of people in the world who have thrown dice and with thousands who practice is it not reasonable to think someone can have the skill?

We're not all able to be professional golfers or pro bowlers or NFL quarterbacks but some people are.

For the AP community to say no one is a DI is ridiculous.
Recording the results in a casino is a slow cumbersome method. Ahigh owned his own craps table. Scoblete and others didn't give classes at the casino craps table. They either owned or leased craps tables to give classes. Doing it outside the casino is the fastest way to get the stats. You do it on at least a few thousand throws. You want to know what your frequencies are before you go to the casino. You can devise a strategy around the stats. Those guys never did such an emprical study with independent verifiers--and it could have easily been done. Excuses for not having done it are worthless.
Mick-you are overlooking one important factor. Every table in every casino is different. What you do on your practice table at home does not carry over to the casino. At the casino, you then have to practice your throw and make adjustments. That is also why you can't just take your show on the road to all the various casinos. You first have to practice on each table and make the necessary adjustments.