Is Sports Betting AP Play?

[OneHitWonder]

No, you will take my bet. My terms are non-negotiable. But you don't have $10,000 anyway. You don't have enough in your pocket to buy lunch. You eat at the Sally.

What a little man screaming. Come on, pussy, take the bet. Alan will hold the money (if he wants to get involved.) What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

C'mon, pussy. Take my bet. To chickenshit, eh? What a punk little bitch you are. You have never contributed anything meaningful to this forum and you never will. You just troll. That's all you know. What a small little man you are. I ignored your bullshit for a long time. But push has come to shove. You should be banned from this forum. You are turning it into a cesspool just like Singer did.

Look, man, I would never offer a bet that I wouldn't take myself. You want to show how great you are, but fear that the next guy is better.

[coach belly]

Thanks for the PR opportunity, coach. Much appreciated.

You are welcome, looking forward to reading the info online in this lifetime.

Post redacted copies of the some of the emails to show how emails can prove any winning.

[mickeycrimm]

Why would I jump though a bunch off hoops

You've been jumping through hoops for years with claims of winning, why did you do that?

Claiming I've won all these years is not jumping though hoops. Proving it to an asshole like you would be jumping though hoops. I claim I have had 21 straight winning years gambling for a living. If you don't believe my claim I don't care. Go jump though a hoop.

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[kewlJ]

Coach belly can't engage in civil discussion or more than 5 minutes without name calling.

What name-calling? Do you deny being an admitted liar and phony?

At the end of the movie The Hangover, Stu is confronted by his girlfriend/fiancé at the wedding. After a bit of back and forth, Stu says "you're just a bad person", "right through to your core". That is you coach belly. You are just a very unpleasant person and unpleasant to engage with on this forum. I hope your nastiness is some sort of outlet for you dealing with some kind of unhappy life or situation, rather than you are similarly such a dick in real life, but I suspect that is not the case. I suspect you are a complete dick in real life. But here's wishing you happiness throughout the holidays and new year anyway.

[mickeycrimm]

I've got to go down and make another lap though the casino. See if I can pick up some easy money. Talk to ya when I get back.

[coach belly]

Claiming I've won all these years is not jumping though hoops.

Tens of thousands of posts on dozens of forums claiming and arguing that you've won is jumping through hoops.

Compared to that, posting whatever you consider proof of winning shouldn't be a problem.

[MisterV]

Singer had his IRS son-in-law investigate me and found out I haven't drawn a paycheck since the early nineties.

Uh oh.

If Singer's son-in-law had the juice to do that, then obviously he knows who you are, where you live, and what your S.S.N. is.

Which might not matter worth a fig, but Singer is ... different.

He might tell his son-in-law to use his I.R.S. connections to audit you.

Singer might provide excerpts to him of the posts you've made about making a living at slot AP.

You haven't drawn a paycheck for decades?

Have you filed yearly tax returns and kept proof of wins and losses?

If not, it could be an AP for Singer.

[coach belly]

Do you deny being an admitted liar and phony?

At the end of the movie The Hangover....

So your answer is "no" ?

[kewlJ]

I've got to go down and make another lap though the casino. See if I can pick up some easy money. Talk to ya when I get back.

Similarly, I am heading out as well. This will be my 3rd trip out today. I am closing in on $3000 Ev for the week which is about double my weekly average Ev. I am pushing myself for the next couple weeks, trying to make up for lost (down) time. Unfortunately, I am still not up to 10, 12, 14 hour marathon sessions, so I have to break it up into 2-3 smaller session a day.

I feel I owe it to my blackjack partner to at least attempt to get my Ev levels close to normal numbers, which is about 75-80 k annually from blackjack. I am not going to get to 75k, but with a couple more decent weeks, I am going to get to 70k Ev for the year. And for those that don't understand the significance of that...well I'll explain it some other time.

[MisterV]

Me, I'm heading to Chinook Winds casino tomorrow for two days of non-AP recreational gambling.

I've no regrets about playing casino games without an edge over the house: am I the greater fool?

Recreation often costs a lot of money; for example, a colleague of mine loves hunting, and goes on safari to Africa and to hunting lodges in bumfuck Canada and Alaska.

What's in it for him, other than the fun of it, the challenge?

Same with gambling, except I stay closer to home and gamble more frequently than he hunts.

The point is, recreation typically costs time and money; whether it is worth it is up to the person involved.

[redietz]

Thanks for the PR opportunity, coach. Much appreciated.

You are welcome, looking forward to reading the info online in this lifetime.

Post redacted copies of the some of the emails to show how emails can prove any winning.

No need, coach. Just show up in LV post-rodeo and interview the clients. Or PM me your address, and I'll be sure to share the package with you, with updates to highlight this past stellar season.

Coach, you're a brave guy with keen insight. Just pop in and ask all the questions you want. As a bonus, my girlfriend, she of the 53-25 ATS LineMasters record (and 2017 LineMasters champ) will be in attendance.

[redietz]

Dude yourself. You don't defeat any casinos. Among other things, you advertise (free of charge) for them with all your repetitious talk here and who knows where about how easily you think you defeat them. Picture boy, and travel guide, no less.

Persons with no other reason for what they do for a living than a bank account - as sad as that sounds - certainly don't spend or associate so much of their time on or with the internet and gambling industry in such vainly great but useless detail. People in the real world rarely set up and attend forums to do with their jobs, and rarer still do they shout over and over again look at smart me surrounded by fools.

What if you're the fucktard punk ass bitch fool that you have been calling every one else (who doesn't immediately fall for your act) over the last decade on the internet? Could it be? Well, at least you have a bank account. Good for you, but so do the rest of us.

You've made more posts than anyone since you came back here. You are the one spending all your time on the internet. Your posts are all drivel. You use fancy words that you don't know the meaning of....and sentences that don't make any sense. Your momma must have bitch slapped you too many times.

If you think I don't beat casinos I don't give a rats ass. Go fuck yourself, bitch.

Hey, it's a free country, right? At least it's a drop in the bucket or ocean to the time people spend at the casinos, and then scheme and dream about them on their "free" time. I sigh for you, Mickey, as Shaky does the same as me except he has truly made a life of it. You guys don't know it, but your lives are already over. There's a point-of-no-return to every thing. Hard core.

OneHit, I've gotta ask. How do you manage to put your nose in the air regarding how other people spend their time? I mean, I argue with some of the recreationals, but only over stuff like whether win goals and stop losses and other mental masturbations affect math, not about how they spend their time. They can do whatever they want -- play keno, go to Roy Moore rallies (nothing wrong with picking up chicks), panhandle, whatever. That's their call. My way of spending time isn't better than their ways of spending time. I wouldn't even know how to quantify that or judge that.

I think it's better to win money from casinos than lose it, but I can't really judge people who want to lose. All of the classic "why do people gamble?" literature provides theories as to why losing is valuable to people. Some people feel like they want to punished for what they've done in life, so they gamble. Some people want to be "judged by God" with wins or losses being the metric. I'm sure you can think of other classic "reasons to lose" that make losing more valuable to them than winning. Some people like to play recreationally as a flaunt of material resources -- to impress or to bed. My way of spending time isn't better than theirs necessarily. It seems saner to me, but who am I to judge?

But you seem to think you have some value system all figured out for what's a waste of time and what's not. The only folks who could possibly be that arrogantly judgemental are running orphanages for blind children. So let me know the location of your orphanage, and I'll send some gifts there for Christmas.

[Alan Mendelson]

Gee, since when do you jbjb ONLY go by the math of the game? You claim an advantage from hole carding. That goes beyond the math of any game.

No it doesn't. Knowing the hole card and playing perfectly on a blackjack game is worth 13% to the player, give or take, depending on the the playing rules. If i know the first community card in Mississippi Stud, I've got a 54.8% edge. These are facts, not theory and doesn't go against anything. Again, you cannot accept the fact that people can find these player edges and exploit them.

Read and understand: you don't know when a dealer will flash a hole card. You think a dealer will, you hope he will, but you don't know. This is not the same probability offered by a deck of 52 cards, or by a shoe.

This "guess" about a dealer is akin to an art or coin speculator who has certain facts (like the probability with a deck of cards) but then makes adjustments to the forecast for those collectibles.

In short you are making judgments that fall within the same scope.

Again there's nothing wrong with this and we all do it in all types of ventures. But because we go beyond intrinsic value it all applies to the Greater Fool Theory.

I think the name Greater Fool Theory offends you and has you on the defensive. Again the Greater Fool Theory is not meant to insult. It's meant to explain.

A different name would be less offensive:

"Variables Added To Intrinsic Value Altering Market Forecast."

[RS__]

I love how Alan tries to define what APs do, as if he knows anything about AP to begin with, seemingly using an expression or theory he just heard a few days ago.

[Alan Mendelson]

I love how Alan tries to define what APs do, as if he knows anything about AP to begin with, seemingly using an expression or theory he just heard a few days ago.

Are you really trying to tell me -- and everyone else -- that being an AP is pure science?

Did you even go to college? You certainly never studied economics.

[RS__]

I love how Alan tries to define what APs do, as if he knows anything about AP to begin with, seemingly using an expression or theory he just heard a few days ago.

Are you really trying to tell me -- and everyone else -- that being an AP is pure science?

Did you even go to college? You certainly never studied economics.

I didn't say it's pure science. I'm saying "the greater fool theory" is not applicable to AP, except for perhaps sports betting or very specific situations. It's laughable you think hole carding or any other AP 'move' is relatable to "I'm going to buy something right now then sell it later at a profit".

Yes I went to college. I took 2 courses of economics, but no, I don't care much for the subject....and I don't see how that's applicable here. If you really believe the stuff you're saying, I really hope you haven't studied economics or anything else you're talking about, because that would be sad.

You certainly never took Calculus I, II, and III in college -- ooooh, burn, I got you real good! Har har har!!

[Alan Mendelson]

You don't see the analogy, do you, RS?

When you make a bet you intend to profit. That is buying something and hoping to win.

It's not all science. You also use skills including observation and experience and memory when you play, just as an art dealer uses skills that include understanding the tastes of customers so he can turn a profit.

Why argue?

Are you saying that the AP skill set is so unique it can't be explained using economic principles?

If it's true that gambling AP is so unique write it up and get yourself a Nobel Prize for Economics.

Meanwhile I'll be content knowing that APs have not reinvented the wheel.

[OneHitWonder]

You've made more posts than anyone since you came back here. You are the one spending all your time on the internet. Your posts are all drivel. You use fancy words that you don't know the meaning of....and sentences that don't make any sense. Your momma must have bitch slapped you too many times.

If you think I don't beat casinos I don't give a rats ass. Go fuck yourself, bitch.

Hey, it's a free country, right? At least it's a drop in the bucket or ocean to the time people spend at the casinos, and then scheme and dream about them on their "free" time. I sigh for you, Mickey, as Shaky does the same as me except he has truly made a life of it. You guys don't know it, but your lives are already over. There's a point-of-no-return to every thing. Hard core.

OneHit, I've gotta ask. How do you manage to put your nose in the air regarding how other people spend their time? I mean, I argue with some of the recreationals, but only over stuff like whether win goals and stop losses and other mental masturbations affect math, not about how they spend their time. They can do whatever they want -- play keno, go to Roy Moore rallies (nothing wrong with picking up chicks), panhandle, whatever. That's their call. My way of spending time isn't better than their ways of spending time. I wouldn't even know how to quantify that or judge that.

I think it's better to win money from casinos than lose it, but I can't really judge people who want to lose. All of the classic "why do people gamble?" literature provides theories as to why losing is valuable to people. Some people feel like they want to punished for what they've done in life, so they gamble. Some people want to be "judged by God" with wins or losses being the metric. I'm sure you can think of other classic "reasons to lose" that make losing more valuable to them than winning. Some people like to play recreationally as a flaunt of material resources -- to impress or to bed. My way of spending time isn't better than theirs necessarily. It seems saner to me, but who am I to judge?

But you seem to think you have some value system all figured out for what's a waste of time and what's not. The only folks who could possibly be that arrogantly judgemental are running orphanages for blind children. So let me know the location of your orphanage, and I'll send some gifts there for Christmas.

Given the model that every thing evens out, including the evening out, it's hard to imagine an exception. However, gambling seems to fit the bill. In other words, if there is an advantage to being God, or even to figuring it out, whatever, then there has to be a disadvantage to running even the orphanages so far as also that is a gamble.

[OneHitWonder]

If it's true that gambling AP is so unique write it up and get yourself a Nobel Prize for Economics.

The way the AP's pop in and out of here like thin air, it's little wonder that the scientists do research papers on them, instead of the other way around.

[RS__]

You don't see the analogy, do you, RS?

An analogy is when you compare two things. Saying "A = B" is not an analogy. Saying "A is like B" is an analogy.

When you make a bet you intend to profit. That is buying something and hoping to win.

Yes, I intend to profit. But no, it's not like "buying something and hoping to win/profit", because I'm not buying something and holding it to cash out in the future. There is no "I need to flip this for a profit".

It's not all science. You also use skills including observation and experience and memory when you play, just as an art dealer uses skills that include understanding the tastes of customers so he can turn a profit.

Correct. But a football player uses skills when he plays his game, like running, balance, strength, etc. Should I say the basketball player is a football player because they both use the same skills? Use your head.

Why argue?

Are you saying that the AP skill set is so unique it can't be explained using economic principles?

No. I'm saying whatever bull-shit you're trying to apply to AP isn't true. I'm sure other economic principles can be applied to AP, but since I don't know much about economics, and you don't know much about AP, I suppose we won't be finding out anytime soon, will we? If you want, you can try to guess at another economic principle/theory. We'll let you know if you're getting hotter or colder.

If it's true that gambling AP is so unique write it up and get yourself a Nobel Prize for Economics.

Meanwhile I'll be content knowing that APs have not reinvented the wheel.

C'mon now, we don't need strawman arguments, that's just silly.