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    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I question whether "bubble craps" is a slot machine.

    Slot machines must have a guaranteed minimum return. But there is no guaranteed minimum return in craps.

    So for bubble craps to be a slot the game must be rigged.

    The same is true for these automated roulette games. Are they slots and if so they must be rigged for a guaranteed minimum return.

    Now, you tell me?
    More fucked up logic from the greater fool.

    Slot machines must have a guaranteed minimum return/payback ACCORDING TO THE MATH. A slot machine is not rigged to guarantee a certain payback. IE. slot machines do not have a self balancing mechanism that forces a minimum payback/return at some or any point(I'm not sure what the correct term is, payback or return, so just in case you are going to try to play word games again, I'm using payback and return to mean the same thing, I have seen them both used to mean the same thing).

    IIRC. From what I have read per gaming, when they test slot machine chips they run a 100k "spin test" and it must have an average payback/return that's within a certain percentage of the stated payback/return(not just within the state min payback). It's been a while since I read the regulation(the number of spins needed and how far off the % they can be may have changed with all the new complex slots they have now). I don't recall how far off it can be, I seem to remember it was within a few percent. I'm not sure what conditions they put on machines that have very high jackpot cycles.

    A slot machine can and will return/payback under 75%(the state minimum) to any number of players at any given time. If a machine is placed in a casino and it gets minimum play, there's a possibility it only paid back/returned 70% or less and the casino could take that machine out.

    VP also falls under slots and they work the same way as slots do, according to THE MATH they must have a minimum payback/return. As we all know, people can play in a way that would almost guarantee them a long-term payback that's significantly less than the minimum payback. YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITH ROULLET OR CRAPS. If you take an automated roulette game and bet all the spots, YOU WILL HAVE A GUARANTEED PAYBACK. In the long run, while playing Bubble craps or E/A table games you will have a guaranteed min payback
    AxelWolf thanks for answering my question. It was a question. Your insult was not needed. But for years you've done nothing but insult me every chance you had. Thanks again for answering the question you fucking asshole.

    Now with that said the return on slot machines is figured from the Par sheets and the virtual stops. Are there Par sheets and virtual stops on bubble craps? Aren't those dice supposed to be random? Where do you get the required 75% return under Nevada law?
    Last edited by Alan Mendelson; 12-10-2017 at 04:21 PM.

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