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  1. #181
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I have no desire to return to WoV. If asked I won't accept. There is just no way I would kiss all that ass.
    The fact is you were a valuable member and the reason you are not there is because of your drinking. You have overcome that for a significant period of time now and congrats to you and wishing continued success with that. So with that issue out of the way you should be invited back. Whether or not you decide to participate is completely your call.

  2. #182
    Figured I would come over here and check things out. Everyone keeps getting nuked at the WOV.

  3. #183
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    The reason he remains banned is probably because he threatened the wiz. But it wasnt the reason he was originally banned.

    2 mods, Face and Mission have said that if asked they may have put in a good word and helped to smooth things out as time healed old wounds.

    However since the threat (albeit, non physical) was made...KJ pretty much made his own bed when it comes to getting re-instated.

    so I agree...its misleading to say that the original banning was due to a threat from KJ.....maybe it was more die to a threat fromQFIT.

    But the continued banning was self inflicted.

    Dont get me wrong....I may have done the same thing. But I never would have had in mind that I wanted to return or even would be considered.once I reached the point of no return
    No, it was not self inflicted. It was trumped up at the behest of QFIT.
    MC, if you look at it with a clear lucid mind, you will see the original ban was trumped up.

    You would also remember both mission and face saying that if they were asked they would have acted as an intermediary to help get KJ back had it not escalated on his part to a threat status.

    therefore I am confident, had it not been for the threat, with both mission and Face putting in a good word....most likely KJ would be posting at wov for well over a year now.
    However after the threat wiz said KJ was dead to him......and its hard for mission and Face to smooth things over for a "dead man",

    KJ had built up enormous good will at wov, and would have been re-admitted especially with advocates like mission and face.

    However advocacy does not come to those that threaten,...even for those who were dealt a bad hand like KJ.

    sO technically he was banned based on trumped up QFIT ISSUES

    But he remains banned because of the way he handled those trumped up issues....by threatening the wiz

  4. #184
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Figured I would come over here and check things out. Everyone keeps getting nuked at the WOV.
    Welcome MaxPen. Saw you sign up yesterday looking around. Glad you are here. Between SO MANY nukings and people just getting tired of the way things are going over there, maybe we can get a nice little forum going here.

  5. #185
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Figured I would come over here and check things out. Everyone keeps getting nuked at the WOV.
    We should make our own forum, ya know what I mean?

  6. #186
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    The reason he remains banned is probably because he threatened the wiz. But it wasnt the reason he was originally banned.

    2 mods, Face and Mission have said that if asked they may have put in a good word and helped to smooth things out as time healed old wounds.

    However since the threat (albeit, non physical) was made...KJ pretty much made his own bed when it comes to getting re-instated.

    so I agree...its misleading to say that the original banning was due to a threat from KJ.....maybe it was more die to a threat fromQFIT.

    But the continued banning was self inflicted.

    Dont get me wrong....I may have done the same thing. But I never would have had in mind that I wanted to return or even would be considered.once I reached the point of no return
    No, it was not self inflicted. It was trumped up at the behest of QFIT.
    MC, if you look at it with a clear lucid mind, you will see the original ban was trumped up.

    You would also remember both mission and face saying that if they were asked they would have acted as an intermediary to help get KJ back had it not escalated on his part to a threat status.

    therefore I am confident, had it not been for the threat, with both mission and Face putting in a good word....most likely KJ would be posting at wov for well over a year now.
    However after the threat wiz said KJ was dead to him......and its hard for mission and Face to smooth things over for a "dead man",

    KJ had built up enormous good will at wov, and would have been re-admitted especially with advocates like mission and face.

    However advocacy does not come to those that threaten,...even for those who were dealt a bad hand like KJ.

    sO technically he was banned based on trumped up QFIT ISSUES

    But he remains banned because of the way he handled those trumped up issues....by threatening the wiz
    Interesting take LarryS. I really don't want to get back into that whole issue, but while most things you say are true, there is an issue of timeline.

    I was banned from WoV on March 14, 2016. I didn't join that Gamblingforums and the thread that was already discussing it until May 25, 2016. That is 10 weeks! Now let me tell you what was going on in that 10 weeks.

    1.) I had a couple people, members of WoV (I am not going to mention names) that told me they were trying to work on Mike to get me re-instated. One of these members specific told me to "lay low". And I did for 10 weeks. How long was I supposed to lay low, for a ban that most objective people, including you think was "trumped up" or unfair?

    2.) I opened a line of communication with Mike, by creating an account at Diversity Tomorrow. I don't think I ever posted there, just opened the account so I could PM Mike. And we were having some civil and productive discussions. He admitted some things in private that he never would say publicly. Things about Norm asking him for a favor, to silence me. You know what I am talking about because a year later I went ahead and posted screen shots.

    But anyway, in those 10 weeks Mike and I were discussing me being reinstated. Things seemed to be going well. We basically had an agreement. And then he informed me that he would have to run the agreement by Norm and see if he had any objections.

    I knew Norm would have objections and he did which squashed that whole exercise. But more importantly, was why did Mike need Norm's approval? Right then and there I knew Mike was in over his head and had allowed Norm to take control. And of course that meant I would never be returning to WoV.

    So THAT is when I joined Gamblingforums and the discussion already under way and told my side of things. I mean for these people and now you to say I should have laid low and let things blow over....how long was I supposed to wait. It had been 10 weeks!

    Now both Face and Mission joining gamblingforums and saying the would have put a good word in for me if I had asked, occurred even later....several months after that. Easy to say they would have (if I had asked). For starters how was I supposed to ask. I had no way of contacting either. And in the second place if either or both of them felt my banning was wrong as they indicated, why do I need to ask? Shouldn't they have gone to Mike on their own and said something?

    I don't know it just seems people wanted me to just disappear and stay quiet for a year and then go groveling to Mike. I wasn't going to do that because, I, Mike and everyone else that is interested knows my banning was bullshit. It was Mike getting involved and siding with his friend on an issue he had no right getting involved in. To this day, I don't think Mike even knows what the basis of the problem was between Norm and I. In short it was an issue over a member of Norm's site making misleading and mathematically impossible claims that were misleading newer players. Not that it matters all that much, but I have since been proven right when Blackjack and Math expert Don Schlesinger, later determined that the player in question was "full of shit" and his claims impossible.

    I mean if Mike felt he had to get involved, he should have looked into what it really was about. Mike being a math guy would have determined that yes the guys claims were just non-sense (just as I and Don Schlesinger did). I mean we aren't talking about 'opinion' here. We are talking something mathematically impossible....same nature as 18 y.o.'s in a row. There comes a point that someone needs to say "this person is full of shit". I was the person saying it. And Norm for whatever reason seemed to want to protect the "full of shit" person (to the point of trolling me to site's that he didn't even participate at).
    Last edited by kewlJ; 01-01-2018 at 03:41 PM.

  7. #187
    wow, 14 hours into the new year and I am already back into all of that! Thanks LarryS.

    The bottom line is that while I have again, laid out some of Mike's mistakes or areas that he was wrong, there is plenty of blame to go around. I handled much of my time at gamblingforums pretty badly and immaturely, with the name calling. Norm, Mike and myself, can all take part of the blame for where we are today. And where we are today, doesn't look to change anytime soon.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 01-01-2018 at 04:12 PM.

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  9. #189
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Figured I would come over here and check things out. Everyone keeps getting nuked at the WOV.
    Welcome MaxPen. Saw you sign up yesterday looking around. Glad you are here. Between SO MANY nukings and people just getting tired of the way things are going over there, maybe we can get a nice little forum going here.
    Thanks for the welcome.

  10. #190
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Figured I would come over here and check things out. Everyone keeps getting nuked at the WOV.
    We should make our own forum, ya know what I mean?
    How much is it worth? How much work does it take?

  11. #191
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Figured I would come over here and check things out. Everyone keeps getting nuked at the WOV.
    Nice to see you. Hope you share some information. I read that you only bother to get out of bed for 150 dollar per hour plays or better and find at least 20-25 hours a week to work them. I am just doing things wrong obviously. Perhaps I should just do what this fella did!?

  12. #192
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    The reason he remains banned is probably because he threatened the wiz. But it wasnt the reason he was originally banned.

    2 mods, Face and Mission have said that if asked they may have put in a good word and helped to smooth things out as time healed old wounds.

    However since the threat (albeit, non physical) was made...KJ pretty much made his own bed when it comes to getting re-instated.

    so I agree...its misleading to say that the original banning was due to a threat from KJ.....maybe it was more die to a threat fromQFIT.

    But the continued banning was self inflicted.

    Dont get me wrong....I may have done the same thing. But I never would have had in mind that I wanted to return or even would be considered.once I reached the point of no return
    No, it was not self inflicted. It was trumped up at the behest of QFIT.
    MC, if you look at it with a clear lucid mind, you will see the original ban was trumped up.

    You would also remember both mission and face saying that if they were asked they would have acted as an intermediary to help get KJ back had it not escalated on his part to a threat status.

    therefore I am confident, had it not been for the threat, with both mission and Face putting in a good word....most likely KJ would be posting at wov for well over a year now.
    However after the threat wiz said KJ was dead to him......and its hard for mission and Face to smooth things over for a "dead man",

    KJ had built up enormous good will at wov, and would have been re-admitted especially with advocates like mission and face.

    However advocacy does not come to those that threaten,...even for those who were dealt a bad hand like KJ.

    sO technically he was banned based on trumped up QFIT ISSUES

    But he remains banned because of the way he handled those trumped up issues....by threatening the wiz
    If you look at it with a clear and lucid mind, KJ had no chance of ever being reinstated. This "I'm going to keep bringing this issue up until it is resolved" is what Shack called a threat. GTFO! Shack's charade to placate his minions was to act like he might consider reinstating KJ sometime in the future. GTFO! The phony "threat" was Shack's pretext to let everyone know KJ would not be back. Shack is a fucking coward. QFIT is a bag of shit.

    And this shit about Face and Mission having any influence on Shack is, well, LMFAO!
    Druff, let us know when you receive redietz’ credit score.

  13. #193
    I am sorry to hear about your detached ass. I hope you get it looked at.
    Once the threat was made, and then acted o months later...it is a moot point whether this or that would have occurred without the threat,,,we will never know.

    Without the threat he may have been reinstated since he had alot of good will built up and alot of support from posters. Once the threat was unveiled by KJ...the support and goodwill dried up. So we will never know now.

    The threat made sure he was viewed as "dead". And dead people dont get an invitation to rejoin a board.

    So you can say wiz would never have changed his mind......and I can say that it was very possible without the threat...if things were allowed to develop organically over time he would be posting today.

    we will never know

    But one thing for sure...the threat and the acting on the threat didnt help

  14. #194
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    I am sorry to hear about your detached ass. I hope you get it looked at.
    Once the threat was made, and then acted o months later...it is a moot point whether this or that would have occurred without the threat,,,we will never know.

    Without the threat he may have been reinstated since he had alot of good will built up and alot of support from posters. Once the threat was unveiled by KJ...the support and goodwill dried up. So we will never know now.

    The threat made sure he was viewed as "dead". And dead people dont get an invitation to rejoin a board.

    So you can say wiz would never have changed his mind......and I can say that it was very possible without the threat...if things were allowed to develop organically over time he would be posting today.

    we will never know

    But one thing for sure...the threat and the acting on the threat didnt help
    You are correct...we will never know.

    But I really don't want to rehash this. I enjoyed my time at WoV, both contributing and sharing my AP experiences as well as participating in some other unrelated threads....well I enjoyed it up until the final couple weeks. But that is over. I am fine with it. And WoV really is deteriorating. I don't say that with any sort of ill will. It has been for some time, and the deterioration has quickened or intensified recently, IMO.

    WAY TO MANY good, knowledgeable gambling members banned, for silly stuff. If the goal was for everyone to learn so people could be better gamblers, you want to do whatever you can to keep members that are successful and knowledgeable gamblers around. That is NOT what WoV does, and the 'mission statement' for the site, just no longer applies. It's not about helping anyone become a better player or gambler. It is just a sort of high school-ish atmosphere, with cliques, and name-calling and little digs at each other, and 'time-out' of standing in the corner (suspensions) for no other reason that to embarrass someone. It's gross.

    And Mike isn't the only problem. Other mods (especially one) have followed his power trip and severely over-moderate. I still read on most days, just as I read a number of other blackjack and AP related sites. Every once in while there is mention of something, maybe a small promo, that is beneficial. On the blackjack sites, every once in a great while someone shares something they do, a technique or sometimes some small little thing that I say "that's a great idea, I think I will incorporate that into my game". But other than that I find WoV pretty unpleasant to read.

    And the doxxing, and attempted outings of a fellow AP in the community is WAY, WAY out of bounds, regardless of whether they are a members of that site or not.

  15. #195
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    I am sorry to hear about your detached ass. I hope you get it looked at.
    Once the threat was made, and then acted o months later...it is a moot point whether this or that would have occurred without the threat,,,we will never know.

    Without the threat he may have been reinstated since he had alot of good will built up and alot of support from posters. Once the threat was unveiled by KJ...the support and goodwill dried up. So we will never know now.

    The threat made sure he was viewed as "dead". And dead people dont get an invitation to rejoin a board.

    So you can say wiz would never have changed his mind......and I can say that it was very possible without the threat...if things were allowed to develop organically over time he would be posting today.

    we will never know

    But one thing for sure...the threat and the acting on the threat didnt help
    Can you quote the "threat?"
    Druff, let us know when you receive redietz’ credit score.

  16. #196
    "I don't consider what I am doing as attacking you, but I can promise you this....I will not let this go. I will bring up your handling of this situation, every chance I get. In my book, next year. If I decide to do GWAE as Munchin has asked. On every site that I participate on......for the rest of my life. And since I am almost 20 years younger than you, that should cover the rest of your life. Every couple weeks or couple months, I will be somewhere questioning your integrity, honesty and professionalism. And hopefully the guys here at WoV that know that you were unfair will continue to bring it up every few weeks." KJ

    once this was posted by KJ, months after his ban, and weeks after initially posting on GF......his support on wov dried up quickly,Before this was posted there was an organic swelling of support of KJ on wov . Many posts on a thread were asking for his return. Little did they know that the wiz had been sent the above message and was sitting on it because he doesnt talk about private messages. So the grumblings continued until the above was posted. And then things changed. It tied the hands of the mods who wanted to help. So here we are.

    You say he will would have never been reinstated, and I think he would have except for the threat.....one thing for sure....we will never know for sure. The threat made sure of that. So all we have is our beliefs

    threatening to question publically someones " integrity, honesty and professionalism" for the rest of their lives, is not endearing nor helpful toward reinstatement
    Last edited by LarryS; 01-02-2018 at 04:51 PM.

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    The Wiz explains:

    " March 14th, 2016 at 6:58:26 PM
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    It is with my much regret that I have to nuke kewlj. Normally we don't consider what goes on at other forums in our suspensions here. However, he has been spreading private and untrue information on other forums based on events here. "

    Two weeks earlier he was suspended for a week for truce violation.

    KJ knows EXACTLY what he said and where he said it: I don't, nor will I search for it; I read it as it happened, and that's enough.
    What, Me Worry?

  19. #199
    pass the popcorn....MC asked ....and MC was answered

  20. #200
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    The Wiz explains:

    " March 14th, 2016 at 6:58:26 PM
    permalink
    It is with my much regret that I have to nuke kewlj. Normally we don't consider what goes on at other forums in our suspensions here. However, he has been spreading private and untrue information on other forums based on events here. "

    Two weeks earlier he was suspended for a week for truce violation.

    KJ knows EXACTLY what he said and where he said it: I don't, nor will I search for it; I read it as it happened, and that's enough.
    i found it pretty eaay....between your post and my found quote....it kind of wraps it up

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