The final word on proving Dice Influencing

[dannyj]

This is Barney,

This is the most greatest forums for the sluts and video pokers. I like the greatests Mickey's system for scouting out the WMS and Mystery Rewards slut machines and have been doing very, very greatest with his strategies except for occasional fist fights with old women trying to jump on machine I am waiting for. The greatest Rob Singer's VP strategies have gots me greatest wins but also biggest losses.

Now, I do not play the game of craps but my greatest friend the LID is a world class player. However, he developed the "Trinity" method of the craps over twenty years ago and has been net positive. To be successful at the Trinity Method one needs to say either silently or verbally "In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" prior to beginning your controlled toss. If you happen to seven out, a Jesus Christ verbalization usually occurs.

PS. The Greatest Mr Travis McGee, if you run across the Supperick's missing craps table please let the Supperick know since he is very, very much pisses off...


Thank you very much

Nice! A banned member, sock poppet, troll. Odds on who?

Trump??

Ouch regnis.

[mickeycrimm]

onehit.

[kewlJ]

onehit.

Could be. My money is on Singer though. While I am generally pretty bad at this identifying sock puppet thing (Axelwolf is very good), I am 2 for 2 with Singer. "Barney" has the feel of Singer to me.

[AxelWolf]

Looks like Barney took a page out of RS's book(RS is always mocking the "foreign" system players with cracked up verbage).
AND NO, IM NOT SUGGESTING IT IS RS. I can't imagine he would ever use the word Holy Ghost on purpose (I thought it was Holy Spirit)

[RS__]

Looks like Barney took a page out of RS's book(RS is always mocking the "foreign" system players with cracked up verbage).
AND NO, IM NOT SUGGESTING IT IS RS. I can't imagine he would ever use the word Holy Ghost on purpose (I thought it was Holy Spirit)

Barney on WOV? I'm only seeing 3 posts from him, from early on in December. Is that him? Or did you not spell the username correctly?

[Travis McGee]

Whats your edge whe using the Trinity method. 1% 2% 5% 10% 20%? A blackjack counter can tell you his avrage edge while playing. A Video poker player AP can do the same. Most of the time an AP can tell you what his advantage is. There are times when its hard to tell, like when you are playing slots and you dont have a par sheet, so there is some guesswork.

What is your expected profit per dollar wagered?

IE: Someone with a 3.5% advantage should expect to profit, on average, $0.035 per $1 wagered (or $3.50 per $100 wagered).

Unfortunately, I am bound by a License Agreement with a non-disclosure clause that prevents me from discussing those details. All that information is detailed in the course materials and Excel spreadsheets for the Trinity Method.

That being said, I can say:

1. Except for "Bettor X" in the Las Vegas sportsbooks, Trinity Method Licensees probably had the highest percentage of winning bets in the casinos. Mine were over 95% of bets made.

2. For Barney Troll's benefit, I will quote from page 25 of the Trinity Method Owner's Manual:

Many people associate the word Trinity with religion:

i. First of all, from my understanding, the concept of the “Trinity,” as it is intended to be, was NOT something which originated in the Christian religion. ... so no, Trinity isn’t ... specifically Christian based.

ii. In fact, the word "Trinity" isn't even in the Holy Bible.

[MisterV]

Trinity Method Licensees probably had the highest percentage of winning bets in the casinos.

This method, while seemingly controversial, works well at poker.

[LarryS]

dup

[LarryS]

the one thing about the internet, is that is something really works, like wildfire it spreads. People talk, people give glowing reviews if a product is good. They cant wait to tell the world what they found.
Like going on a gambling sit e and saying"I just found this great method..blah blah blah".

There are no over the counter diet pills that work. However if one was ever invented that really melted off fat as you sat on your ass....all the other brands would effectively go out of business because word would spread like wildfire that the new pill was better than all the rest.

it seems trinity should have put all other methods out of busines.

Let me ask this.....in this "trinity" method.....is it the type of system where you can read it, absorb it, and be as good at it the first time as someone who has been using it for years? Or is there some sort of "experience" factor, where if someone says "I am not getting good results"....they are told that you need more "experience".

Is it like DI courses who tell their students after the fact that they need hundreds or thousands of hours of practice.first.

[Alan Mendelson]

LarryS to be fair to the DI courses: they cannot give a player skill. They teach technique and betting knowledge. Obviously if you don't have the physical skill you'll never influence or control dice. And the reality is very few people do have the skill. So telling people to practice makes sense.

I learned the notes and keys on my clarinet in 4th grade. I wasn't a good player till 8th grade.

[LarryS]

i wonder if that bit info is in the advertising brochures or on the registration form when they submit payment for a seminar.

you know when you pay money to a sports picker you would like accurate data on past percentage of correct picks, and +/- units won.

And if you pay money for a seminar on DI....you should get an honest percent chance of you being successful, after zero practice hours, 1000 practice hours, 5000 practice hours.

[Alan Mendelson]

LarryS I'd really like to meet someone who took a DI class and really thought they could control or influence dice without skill?

[LarryS]

plenty.

but it comes down to buyer beware. Its up to individual to ask questions. There is always going to be a used car saleman in all walks of life trying to sell youa defective car, an albatross timeshare, annuities for retirement, dice influencing classes, the latest die pill,.

Its up to individuals to ask questions in order to discover that they all are total shit.

[Alan Mendelson]

LarryS I think it comes down to "buyer be honest." I think there are plenty of people who walk into casinos and think they're going to win whether it's at craps, blackjack, video poker, roulette, keno. Do they blame themselves when they don't? Or do they blame the course, the system, the variance, the loud mouth at the table, the dealer or the smoke?

[LarryS]

Its buyer beware in the casino as well. Its up to the player to ask questions and research things before forming an opinion or expectation of winning.

a person buying a car should ask to have his mechanic look it over, a person buying an IRA annuity should find out about the high fees attached, ther person buying a timeshare should crunch the numbers to see that its a con in the long run, and people buying gambling systems should ask questions as well before.

And if they are told beforehand that after the 1000 dollar DI seminar, ..they would need to buy a craps table for their home and practice hundreds of hours just to have a small small chance to be successful....then they can walk away without wasting money,

There is this dude called Heavy...that sometimes hangs out on the Patrick site...and he has his own site.
There are occasions where he has a seminar,,,,sometimes at a Dealer school that has a craps layout/table....and then advertises in the advertising literature that after the class the students can go with him to a local casino to "practice" what they learned. WTF.......that gives people the impression that they can go to class and walk out being able to spend real money as they apply their newly learned craft.

Wouldnt it be better to tell people in the literature..after class..go home, buy a used table on craigs list.....and practice for 500 hours, and that will let you know if you have talent.

What does going to a casino after a few hours of instruction infer?...it basically says..you are readdy to use this method in the real world now.

But according to you Alan.....they need to practice and see if they are any good first.

this is all about buyer beware. The new students with a few hours of training are basically random rollers when they get to the casino field trip.

Its because of these people that casinos love DIs......the ones that take a course, read a book...and run to the casino and are just random rollers while they think they are applying a trade.

[Alan Mendelson]

LarryS please post a photo of these allegedly deceptive ads. I've never seen them.

[LarryS]

LarryS please post a photo of these allegedly deceptive ads. I've never seen them.

http://www.axispowercraps.com/

[Alan Mendelson]

LarryS I just read over the material in the link. I'm having a hard time finding anything that appears to be deceptive. Please, copy and paste the specific deceptive material. You might also want to copy and paste the very clear statement that is a disclaimer.

[LarryS]

you mean the part that says there is no guarantee you will win since it is gambling.

nice and safe.

No indication that you will need to buy your own craps table in order to practice properly, and that hubdreds of practice hours will be needed after the course to hone the minimal skills you will have when you leave the class.

when you sign up....do they ask if you have Parkinsonism or tremors due to disease or meds? That would be for me a reason to dissuade someone.

But in the end its buyer beware. A potential customer should ask questions like, how much practice before I can get good at this. Do I need to buy my own table for the practice to be usefull, How many people that graduated from your class consistently win and do it for a living. Its up to the student, or car buyer, or the timeshare client to ask all the questions.

[MisterV]

LarryS to be fair to the DI courses: they cannot give a player skill. They teach technique and betting knowledge. Obviously if you don't have the physical skill you'll never influence or control dice. And the reality is very few people do have the skill. So telling people to practice makes sense.

I learned the notes and keys on my clarinet in 4th grade. I wasn't a good player till 8th grade.

Mastering a wind instrument has nothing to do with controlling the dice, Alan.

It most certainly is implied by all the DI courses that they can teach you how to be a more skillful player than you were before; do you disagree?

You've previously compared DI to different things, all of them skills; I maintain that no amount of practice, no system, can or will overcome the casino's edge against us in the long run.

Demauro rolled 154 times before the devil danced: what DI course did she attend?

*crickets*

Luck happens; and DI is powerless to influence its appearance.