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[Dankyone]

Had I quoted mickeycrimm in a TV news report I could have been suspended for reporting inaccurate info.

Yea that happens in today’s media environment. If it did CNN would be out of staff and would have to run Forensic Files 24 hours a day like they do on Headline News.

So why were you not suspended for reporting rob singer’s inaccurate info?

[Alan Mendelson]

When I reported on Rob Singer it was clearly identified as being his strategy and Rob was 100% up front and honest that ALL of his special plays were at a DISADVANTAGE to conventional strategy. Think about that: he presented his strategy and honestly said what it's shortcomings are.

[Dankyone]

When I reported on Rob Singer it was clearly identified as being his strategy and Rob was 100% up front and honest that ALL of his special plays were at a DISADVANTAGE to conventional strategy. Think about that: he presented his strategy and honestly said what it's shortcomings are.

Um, no, you sucked up to him like he was Ken Uston and he pretended dishonestly like he was God.

[Alan Mendelson]

Kewlj you made an outrageous claim that losing $8800 contributed to your profits because it was part of your +EV play. I will never accept that losing $8800 of real money will be a positive development. Never.

As I said before, all you had to say was "I played anticipating a positive edge, but it didn't work out." No one would complain about that. But when you start twisting and turning and dancing claiming that losing $8800 contributes to some cockamamie +EV strategy rational minds are going to say WTF?

[Dankyone]

But, KJ does have an edge. You don’t. He has credibility—you sound like a fool.

KJ had a great quote...

[Alan Mendelson]

When I reported on Rob Singer it was clearly identified as being his strategy and Rob was 100% up front and honest that ALL of his special plays were at a DISADVANTAGE to conventional strategy. Think about that: he presented his strategy and honestly said what it's shortcomings are.

Um, no, you sucked up to him like he was Ken Uston and he pretended dishonestly like he was God.

Nothing I say will be accepted by you. You don't like him. End of story.

[jbjb]

When I reported on Rob Singer it was clearly identified as being his strategy and Rob was 100% up front and honest that ALL of his special plays were at a DISADVANTAGE to conventional strategy. Think about that: he presented his strategy and honestly said what it's shortcomings are.

Um, no, you sucked up to him like he was Ken Uston and he pretended dishonestly like he was God.

Nothing I say will be accepted by you. You don't like him. End of story.

And nothing we say will be accepted by you. You don't like us. You'll continue to be a sheep slaughtered by casinos. If you truly want to be a casino winner, you'll employ strategies and tactics that we employ. There is no other way about it, period!

[Alan Mendelson]

I'm all ears jbjb. Please detail the winning strategies you employ. (LOL)

[Dankyone]

I'm all ears jbjb. Please detail the winning strategies you employ. (LOL)

Alan, what does it matter? You have been told about 5000 times; you don’t get it. You don’t understand what advantage play is, you don’t understand what expected value is, you don’t even know how to exploit a comp system after decades of losing.

[jbjb]

I'm all ears jbjb. Please detail the winning strategies you employ. (LOL)

Alan, you know exactly what we do. It's up to go out and find those opportunities. I don't ask others where to look nor should they tell me. We go find them on our own. I'll give you a clue though. You'll never find them at a craps tables or BP VP.

[dannyj]

... ask Shell if they'll let you pay for a tank of gas with EV. Ask kewlj if he ever made a mortgage payment with EV.

Speaking of gas I'm getting a 5% rebate on gas purchases this quarter on one of my credit cards. I pay the balance off every month so I don't get tagged for interest. I guess you could say this is an AP move. The only reason I have this particular card is because of the various rebate offers I get every quarter. And I sometimes buy my gas at Shell.

Hi Mickey,
At Seven Feathers here in SW Oregon they own the truck stop & gas station across the street from the casino. They allow players card holders to use comps for fuel. We alternate vehicles and my card or my wife’s for our weekly visit. We haven’t had to use actual cash or debit to pay for gas in quite some time. That’s our AP (not really) move. LOL.

P.S.
I regularly play 9/7 DB @ $1 but never did find the 10/7 DB that you mentioned you had heard about somewhere online.

[LarryS]

I dont know why its important for people who AP to want to make people like AM believe that they have a viable way to make money. In fact the more people who think you dont exist..the better for you operating under the radar.
No one would ever expect you to provide tax returns, because it shouldnt be that important in a normal persons life to see such documents. No one would ever expect you to divulge your methods or secrets...as that would be professional and financial suicide.

So all we can ever have is 'i am an AP"......AND "no you are not"

this type of back and forth has been going on in message boards all over the place...and has never changed any ones mind.

"you dont exist but show me proof".......And "I have no proof that I want to show you" ....is all we see,

Any dope knows that card counting works for a select group,of people, as casinos banish people who they suspect are using it.
Anyone knows that there are people like Billy Walters that have made millions on sports.
we know there are people who make a living on poker. People who have done it for years before the "moneymaker effect"....like doyle brunson.

All the above are Aps to some extent.

so all that can be debated is if an individual is a successful AP. Not whether its possible to be APs.
There is enough evidence to show successful APs exist

I happen to believe an AP like KJ that seems to tell the good and bad of his life and just doesnt crow about his wins . He even posted a loss and got questioned as to why he allowed himself to lose. Pretty funny.

So if you dont believe him or anyone else who claims to be a SUCCESSFUL AP...thats great. Choose not to and find another thread that interests you...because if you stay and argue ...all you can do is request evidence....and no one owes you evidence...just as I dont owe anyone evidence that I was a registered pharmacist.

Basically, fuck you if you dont believe it.....and then we move on.

[AxelWolf]

Um, no, you sucked up to him like he was Ken Uston and he pretended dishonestly like he was God.

Nothing I say will be accepted by you. You don't like him. End of story.

And nothing we say will be accepted by you. You don't like us. You'll continue to be a sheep slaughtered by casinos. If you truly want to be a casino winner, you'll employ strategies and tactics that we employ. There is no other way about it, period!

And that will probably never happen. Guys like Alan don't want to be bothered with all the scouting, thinking, networking, strategies, investigation, and tactics AP's employ. He wants to enter the most convenient casino and sit (or stand) his ass in one spot and start gambling until whenever he's satisfied or he runs out of session money(some of the same traits a compulsive gambler would have. I'm not saying HE IS a compulsive gambler). He may be savvy enough to seek out better than average paytables(Don't play 6/5 jacks vs 8/5 bonus) and collect perks. If by some chance there's something extra going on, he knows to add it in. But it obviously ends there.

I have a feeling the reason he got interested in Rob Singers VP system in the first place is the fact that it didn't seem to require much effort in finding a location to play.

[AxelWolf]

I dont know why its important for people who AP to want to make people like AM believe that they have a viable way to make money. In fact the more people who think you dont exist..the better for you operating under the radar.
No one would ever expect you to provide tax returns, because it shouldnt be that important in a normal persons life to see such documents. No one would ever expect you to divulge your methods or secrets...as that would be professional and financial suicide.

So all we can ever have is 'i am an AP"......AND "no you are not"

this type of back and forth has been going on in message boards all over the place...and has never changed any ones mind.

"you dont exist but show me proof".......And "I have no proof that I want to show you" ....is all we see,

Any dope knows that card counting works for a select group,of people, as casinos banish people who they suspect are using it.
Anyone knows that there are people like Billy Walters that have made millions on sports.
we know there are people who make a living on poker. People who have done it for years before the "moneymaker effect"....like doyle brunson.

All the above are Aps to some extent.

so all that can be debated is if an individual is a successful AP. Not whether its possible to be APs.
There is enough evidence to show successful APs exist

I happen to believe an AP like KJ that seems to tell the good and bad of his life and just doesnt crow about his wins . He even posted a loss and got questioned as to why he allowed himself to lose. Pretty funny.

So if you dont believe him or anyone else who claims to be a SUCCESSFUL AP...thats great. Choose not to and find another thread that interests you...because if you stay and argue ...all you can do is request evidence....and no one owes you evidence...just as I dont owe anyone evidence that I was a registered pharmacist.

Basically, fuck you if you dont believe it.....and then we move on.

Ok, what are you up to? What did KJ promise you?

[kewlJ]

Kewlj you made an outrageous claim that losing $8800 contributed to your profits because it was part of your +EV play. I will never accept that losing $8800 of real money will be a positive development. Never.

I couldn't give a rats ass what you accept or don't accept. You are a loud mouth blow hard who doesn't know a damn thing about how to play with an advantage. For Christ's sakes you can't even "accept" that you didn't see lightning strike, the same person 18 times in a row. You are so far detached from reality, who freaking cares what you 'accept' or don't.

There are other positive developments regarding losing $8800 that I haven't even touched on. Like the fact that 'booking a loss' is often very beneficial to card counters who play the same rotation of casinos. It can increase longevity by a great deal, allowing for many more profitable hours. Now that is not to say anyone 'tries' to lose, but when you find yourself in a hole, it can be very beneficial to go ahead and quit and 'book that loss', have that loss recorded on your record.

I have 'triggers' for ending my session, which for the most part has to do with exiting after showing my spread, or if the count turns negative. There is also a time trigger. But sometimes if none of these triggers are met, and I find myself down, I will go ahead and exit, even though an 'exit trigger' has not been met, just to book that loss. Like I said, very beneficial to longevity.

[kewlJ]

I happen to believe an AP like KJ that seems to tell the good and bad of his life and just doesnt crow about his wins . He even posted a loss and got questioned as to why he allowed himself to lose. Pretty funny.

So if you dont believe him or anyone else who claims to be a SUCCESSFUL AP...thats great. Choose not to and find another thread that interests you...because if you stay and argue ...all you can do is request evidence....and no one owes you evidence...just as I dont owe anyone evidence that I was a registered pharmacist.

Basically, fuck you if you dont believe it.....and then we move on.

Thank you LarryS. And this from a guy that doesn't care for me very much.

[coach belly]

when you find yourself in a hole, it can be very beneficial to go ahead and quit and 'book that loss', have that loss recorded on your record.

What are you claiming here...that the entire loss was at one casino?...where they are keeping a record of your play?

How do they do that? Did you present a player's card. Do they have your personal info?

[kewlJ]

I did not claim the entire loss for that day was at one casino. that need not be the case for it to be beneficial. Any "booked' loss is beneficial.

You do not need to present a players card to be known and/or have your play tracked. Casinos will actually assign an nickname to a regular player. Sometimes rather unflattering things of a descriptive nature. One of my entries in one of the databases is a description. (not all that accurate IMO)

Of course, what do I know.....I am a known liar.

[coach belly]

I am a known liar.

Yes you are...a proven and admitted liar. Do you deny that?

[Bill Yung]

I have 'triggers' for ending my session, which for the most part has to do with exiting after showing my spread, or if the count turns negative. There is also a time trigger. But sometimes if none of these triggers are met, and I find myself down, I will go ahead and exit, even though an 'exit trigger' has not been met, just to book that loss. Like I said, very beneficial to longevity.

I recall a post of yours at WoV. You wrote that you would leave after showing your spread to avoid detection? I remember this quite vividly, as well as having reread it, at the time, because it sounded so strange.