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[kewlJ]

Kewlj you didn't respond so let me ask another question.

Ahh, you noticed that. I am done answering any questions and engaging in any kind of meaningful dialogue with you, Mr. Mendelson. I have wasted far too much time and effort sincerely answering questions, for which you didn't want, nor would accept the answer. I am just not going to waste any more time on you, nor treat you like a reasonable adult. You are not. You are simply trolling....playing games for entertainment value.

I have actually blocked you again, and this time will not undo it. You have used not 3, but about a dozen strikes with me. I may still see things you post in quotes or because I am reading while not logged on, but I will not sincerely answer. I MAY comment sarcastically, as I did with the "Tuscon" post, but I am finished taking you seriously and treating you like an adult.

[Alan Mendelson]

Sorry you feel that way so I'll respond to you. I can't find anything on the Wizard's site or on any article about "expected value" that EV continues after a bet is resolved. Now if you're using some different definition where can I find it? Every other definition applies to making a bet and not the value after a bet is resolved.

Secondly you do have a loss limit but your loss limit is set by the convenience of carrying money. You do not use loss limits in the conventional sense and I understand that. You've got guts, and that's all I can say.

[tableplay]

I would suggest this:

Are you certain that method 1 on your list doesn't generate comp points ? Both Hobey's and Tamarack generate comp points with this method.

It doesn't in a local location. Oddly, a few years ago, there was a certain machine that after downloading it, would allow you to straight cash out that amount. Had to be a glitch. Unfortunately, it got fixed.

I keep a tally counter in my glove box. A great device for collecting stats on line games. They sell them at sporting goods stores.

I bought one at Office Max for $4.50. Yes you can get them for less online, but by the time you pay for shipping (and handling) plus the wait, it's much better to get it at a local store IMHO. Also I have seen double tally counters at Big 5 Sporting Goods, so that you can keep multiple counts if you need to . . .
When I play VP I keep the tally counter in one hand and do the button pushing in the other. It slows my hands per hour down some, but I know exactly how many hands I have played so that I know when I've fully churned my free play, or when I've qualified for a kiosk swipe (for example Grand Sierra Resort doesn't show you your session points at the machine, you have to go to a kiosk to know if you aren't using a tally counter).

[AxelWolf]

I won 10k harrahs on a the belmot stakes maybe 10-15 years ago....and the mass of money takes up my pockets and my wifes purse.

Did they pay you in singles?

You can easily fit $10K into one pocket if all 100s.

Not when he's wearing his super tight skinny jeans.


I have no idea what he is talking about, you can fit much more than 10k in your front pocket. You can fit 10k in a wallet and cram it in your back pocket. Your wallet will only last a few years if you keep doing that.

[LarryS]

not conventional singles

susan B anthony dollars

[LarryS]

I won 10k harrahs on a the belmot stakes maybe 10-15 years ago....and the mass of money takes up my pockets and my wifes purse.

Did they pay you in singles?

You can easily fit $10K into one pocket if all 100s.

Not when he's wearing his super tight skinny jeans.


I have no idea what he is talking about, you can fit much more than 10k in your front pocket. You can fit 10k in a wallet and cram it in your back pocket. Your wallet will only last a few years if you keep doing that.

if u can fit 100 bills in a wallet on top of any other money you already have there, and credit cards, business cards, health isurance cards,AAAcard insurance card both professional and car.professional license, professional organization card, certified CPR card, .....AND fold it...good luck. I had a hard time and had my wife take a few thousand. I know unsuccessful people and or non professionals may not have a wallet full of those cards. 10 k will fill those wallets easy

[MisterV]

I use the envelopes they give out at the bank to hold my cash.

I find fifty bills makes for a manageable packet.

[LarryS]

NOT COMPLAINING.....but I didnt expect to win 10k so I didnt come with envelopes. But I would gladly have that problem more often if I could.

[LarryS]

the patrick envelope system...I forgot all about that one

[AxelWolf]

Did they pay you in singles?

You can easily fit $10K into one pocket if all 100s.

Not when he's wearing his super tight skinny jeans.


I have no idea what he is talking about, you can fit much more than 10k in your front pocket. You can fit 10k in a wallet and cram it in your back pocket. Your wallet will only last a few years if you keep doing that.

if u can fit 100 bills in a wallet on top of any other money you already have there, and credit cards, business cards, health isurance cards,AAAcard insurance card both professional and car.professional license, professional organization card, certified CPR card, .....AND fold it...good luck. I had a hard time and had my wife take a few thousand. I know unsuccessful people and or non professionals may not have a wallet full of those cards. 10 k will fill those wallets easy

Yes you can, including some players cards and a little folding magnetic address book. No doubt its hard to fold, it won't fold flat(it's more of a bend) and it's quite bulky. But it will work, and you can fit in your back pocket of normal jeans or slacks. I'm not talking about some special wallet either, I'm talking about a regular men's trifold leather wallet you can pick up for under $20. I made the mistake of buying a nicer looking wallet with engraving and a chain recently. It's a pain in the ass(no pun intended). I had to take out the address book(it's not really needed anyway) and my player's cards.

Most AP's don't jam 10k in their wallet and I don't suggest doing it unless you have a good reason.

Being able to fit over 10k in your front pocket, or any of your pockets for that matter, isn't a problem at all.

[AxelWolf]

I use the envelopes they give out at the bank to hold my cash.

I find fifty bills makes for a manageable packet.

But you have to pull out the entire envelope to get to your cash. It's easier to put your hand in your pocket and peel off what you need. I guess it depends on what you are doing. A person may be more likely to set down an envelope than cash while doing something. Most people would never do that, however, if you are in and out of multiple casinos every day making lots of transactions, feeding in money and cashing out many times its bound to happen at some point.

[mickeycrimm]

Did they pay you in singles?

You can easily fit $10K into one pocket if all 100s.

Not when he's wearing his super tight skinny jeans.


I have no idea what he is talking about, you can fit much more than 10k in your front pocket. You can fit 10k in a wallet and cram it in your back pocket. Your wallet will only last a few years if you keep doing that.

if u can fit 100 bills in a wallet on top of any other money you already have there, and credit cards, business cards, health isurance cards,AAAcard insurance card both professional and car.professional license, professional organization card, certified CPR card, .....AND fold it...good luck. I had a hard time and had my wife take a few thousand. I know unsuccessful people and or non professionals may not have a wallet full of those cards. 10 k will fill those wallets easy

This is my wallet.

[mickeycrimm]

And this is my belt.

[mickeycrimm]

Not when he's wearing his super tight skinny jeans.


I have no idea what he is talking about, you can fit much more than 10k in your front pocket. You can fit 10k in a wallet and cram it in your back pocket. Your wallet will only last a few years if you keep doing that.

if u can fit 100 bills in a wallet on top of any other money you already have there, and credit cards, business cards, health isurance cards,AAAcard insurance card both professional and car.professional license, professional organization card, certified CPR card, .....AND fold it...good luck. I had a hard time and had my wife take a few thousand. I know unsuccessful people and or non professionals may not have a wallet full of those cards. 10 k will fill those wallets easy

Yes you can, including some players cards and a little folding magnetic address book. No doubt its hard to fold, it won't fold flat(it's more of a bend) and it's quite bulky. But it will work, and you can fit in your back pocket of normal jeans or slacks. I'm not talking about some special wallet either, I'm talking about a regular men's trifold leather wallet you can pick up for under $20. I made the mistake of buying a nicer looking wallet with engraving and a chain recently. It's a pain in the ass(no pun intended). I had to take out the address book(it's not really needed anyway) and my player's cards.

Most AP's don't jam 10k in their wallet and I don't suggest doing it unless you have a good reason.

Being able to fit over 10k in your front pocket, or any of your pockets for that matter, isn't a problem at all.

Try a cummerbund. Worn right they are easy to get into and much safer from pickpockets.

[mickeycrimm]

I use the envelopes they give out at the bank to hold my cash.

I find fifty bills makes for a manageable packet.

But you have to pull out the entire envelope to get to your cash. It's easier to put your hand in your pocket and peel off what you need. I guess it depends on what you are doing. A person may be more likely to set down an envelope than cash while doing something. Most people would never do that, however, if you are in and out of multiple casinos every day making lots of transactions, feeding in money and cashing out many times its bound to happen at some point.

I keep playing money in my front pocket. I usually make a trip to a bathroom stall if I have to pull out some serious cash from somewhere else on my body. Don't want any eyes on it.

[MisterV]

I'd best clarify my earlier statement about using bank envelopes.

I use them at home and while traveling to hold cash; rarely have I used them while in the casino, although I have a few times.

I have one for tens, twenties, and hundreds: makes it easy and quick to keep track of my funds.

Typically I keep the envelopes in my travel bag either in my car trunk (if day trip) or room (if overnight) and add or remove cash from then as needed, which cash I transfer to my wallet.

I also keep a running tally of money in / money out to help me keep track of my win / loss history.

[regnis]

I would ask if that continued accumulation of EV as he calls it is worth the $8800. Or, if the cards just sucked and he decided to quit, would the small amount of accumulated EV that he had foregone be less. Does the loss overide this EV?

I fully understand the math and that since he has an edge the long term results that are expected. But what if it's just one of those bad days where everything just seems off, including VP. Is there ever a consideration to just say eff it and go to the pool.

You are getting into voodoo here. You seem to be asking if I knew ahead of time that I would lose $8800, if I would still play to accumulate that $300 EV goal for the day? Ridiculous. Of course not. If you have some ability to tell me that before I leave my home each day, I will hire you. In the absence of that, I play and accumulate my EV, let the wins and losses fall where they may and at the end of the year (represents long-term) my actual win will be right there....reasonably close to "accumulated EV".

"One of those days", "Bad Karma", A "curse" that day? You are voodoo-ing! Unless there is a real reason why that day is negative, you play and accumulate your EV. You are going to need it at the end. Real reasons would include: being cheated. Losing control of your emotions and game (and if this occurs, you might not really be an AP), running out of cash on hand (playing bankroll), and in the case of blackjack, some sort of heat issue. These are solid real reasons. That Lady luck might not be smiling on you that day is not a real reason. That is voodoo-ism.

What if every other day, I lost a little bit early and stopped after the first or second session, or came up with some silly reason like bad karma today and quit early. I wouldn't be reaching my target EV most days and at the end of the year my accumulated EV would be 40-45 thousand instead of 75-80 thousand. And subsequently my yearly wins would also be down correlating to that expectation (accumulated EV).

Stopping prematurely (stop limit) costs money! (see post 239 in this thread). I can explain it no better than that.

Kewl-- it isn't voodoo--you have no way to know if you are going to have a bad day. But if I am having a day where my horses just don't seem to be running--where I just am not seeing it clearly that day for whatever reason--I will quit. I was just asking if you ever feel it appropriate to do the same. I understand the "need" to play because of your advantage. But if for whatever unknown reason you suck that day, is there a thought to just go home to your pool or take in a movie or whatever.

[quahaug]

I won 10k harrahs on a the belmot stakes maybe 10-15 years ago....and the mass of money takes up my pockets and my wifes purse.

Did they pay you in singles?

You can easily fit $10K into one pocket if all 100s.

Not when he's wearing his super tight skinny jeans.


I have no idea what he is talking about, you can fit much more than 10k in your front pocket. You can fit 10k in a wallet and cram it in your back pocket. Your wallet will only last a few years if you keep doing that.

Many years ago I got a loan for an outboard motor. Sitting with the branch manager I put the cash in my wallet and proceeded to put it in my back pocket. He said don't do that . Put your wallet in your front pocket, it's way more secure. Since that day maybe forty years ago I never once used my back pocket. It's also easier on the back e.g. George Costanza.

[Alan Mendelson]

There are two reasons to keep your wallet in your front pocket. First it's harder for a pickpocket to steal. Second when you sit a wallet isn't putting pressure on your spine to cause back problems.

[kewlJ]

Stanford Wong used to sell a couple items on his BJ21 site that some of the higher limit players raved about. A money belt worn under clothing and a money pouch that hung around your neck, which the pouch would be in the chest area under clothing. The money belt was advertised as easily accommodating $20,000, although some of the guys talked about it holding up to $50,000.

I never purchased or used them as I have a different system. But looking around the site for a link to post, I don't see those products anymore. Maybe that is a result of the sale of the site a couple years ago or maybe I am just looking in the wrong place.