Of Math and Men

[arcimede$]

Arci, I saw the traffic info. You were there more times than the missus has been to the hospital.

Not even close. It really was only 2-3 times total. Now, go along and make up some more lies. It's about the only thing you do well.

[arcimede$]

He put her there Alan, and he blames her instead of himself for making him move to LV just to be so foolishly closer to the machines, lose everything including her health, then seeing her end up in a wheelchair while he still shamelessly sneaks off to get his fix in the casino every week. Now all he does is lie about it all, me, and create some fantasy world for himself that he wants to be remembered as. Me? I'll remember him for the uncaring individual he is, who put video poker first before the most sacred of things in his life.

And for the fun of it all!

Lies, lies and more lies. As for his being smart and witty we all know that's only in his own mind. The real Singer is just a projecting machine. When you see comments like this you know he's really telling you about his own life. Once you understand that it all makes sense.

[antfanas]

Hello all.This is my first post to this forum or any other one as a matter of fact.I have followed this forum from its beginning.It is my opinion that the childish insults passed between Mr Singer and Mr arcimede$ are totally non-productive and are of benefit no one.I believe that both these gentleman are successful in their methods.I also believe that many others who do not post here are concerned about getting caught up in all of in fighting.I would like to discuss what I know and what I would like to know about vp with these two experts as well as others.I have read all of vptruth.com articles and have Mr Singer's 5 methods printed out.I am putting together a 10k bankroll to play SPS.By the way you can access Mr Singer's site by using The Internet Waybach Machine

[arcimede$]

I am putting together a 10k bankroll to play SPS.By the way you can access Mr Singer's site by using The Internet Waybach Machine

Not sure what denominations you plan on using but $10K is not a very big bankroll. It is probably sufficient for starting at the nickel level and possible dimes. Not much higher.

For example, consider a .25/.50/1/2/5 progression with a $625 goal. That would be $100/$200/$400/$800/$2000 or a total of $3500 a session. That would get you through 3 losses but not much further. I've had losing streaks much worse than that. Naturally, if you find some better games to play your chances of surviving longer are much better.

[antfanas]

I will be using .05/.10/.25/.50/2.00/5.00;$20,$40,$100,$200,$800,$2000 ($3160) with a session goal of $150.00.I live in Long Island N.Y.but own a townhouse in Shawnee PA. and play usually on a weekend basis at Mt. Airy Lodge and Casino in Mt. Pocono,PA.They have only 2 multi-play multi-denomination machines that have ten cent play.These machines have BP, DBP and DDBP.

[Rob.Singer]

Did you leave out the $1 denomination on purpose? If so, please explain. Thanks.

[slingshot]

Did you leave out the $1 denomination on purpose? If so, please explain. Thanks.

And the $10.

[slingshot]

I will be using .05/.10/.25/.50/2.00/5.00;$20,$40,$100,$200,$800,$2000 ($3160) with a session goal of $150.00.I live in Long Island N.Y.but own a townhouse in Shawnee PA. and play usually on a weekend basis at Mt. Airy Lodge and Casino in Mt. Pocono,PA.They have only 2 multi-play multi-denomination machines that have ten cent play.These machines have BP, DBP and DDBP.

Please explain this further. I have read and reread all his posts and I don't get this and have never seen anything remotely similar.

[Rob.Singer]

Lies, lies and more lies. As for his being smart and witty we all know that's only in his own mind. The real Singer is just a projecting machine. When you see comments like this you know he's really telling you about his own life. Once you understand that it all makes sense.

Projection? My wife can walk to the bathroom....

[arcimede$]

Projection? My wife can walk to the bathroom....

So can mine, but that's not the point. You know you have treated your wife poorly over the years so you project the same behavior in others. You're easily to read than a grade school fairy tale.

[antfanas]

Did you leave out the $1 denomination on purpose? If so, please explain. Thanks.

I though that in the event of bad results on lower levels, recovery would be faster at $2 as quad 2,3,4 would be $400 on BP and allow me to return to .05 BP

[antfanas]

And the $10.

$10 is a little to high for my comfort level.

[Rob.Singer]

So can mine, but that's not the point. You know you have treated your wife poorly over the years so you project the same behavior in others. You're easily to read than a grade school fairy tale.

That shook you into another lie arci "You're EASILY to read"?

You mean the walker gets the nod over the wheelchair when it's time to go? And what's the procedure after you sneak out to the Indian casino to get your video poker fix? Betcha don't even care.

[Rob.Singer]

I though that in the event of bad results on lower levels, recovery would be faster at $2 as quad 2,3,4 would be $400 on BP and allow me to return to .05 BP

Not a problem. You've substituted 5 levels (instead of six) with a 4:1 final level ratio (instead of the std. 2:1). That gives you an 18% BETTER chance of attaining a smaller win goal (your stated $150 vs. the std. 2500X your lowest denomination).

[antfanas]

Not a problem. You've substituted 5 levels (instead of six) with a 4:1 final level ratio (instead of the std. 2:1). That gives you an 18% BETTER chance of attaining a smaller win goal (your stated $150 vs. the std. 2500X your lowest denomination).

Actually I will go the the 6th level which is $5.00 ,2.5x the 5th level.This is your like your 6th level $100.00 which is 4x your 5th level.

[Vegas Vic]

Hello all.This is my first post to this forum or any other one as a matter of fact.I have followed this forum from its beginning.It is my opinion that the childish insults passed between Mr Singer and Mr arcimede$ are totally non-productive and are of benefit no one.

I was taught this at a very young age: "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should." This can be applied to the use of profane language all the way down to merely insulting someone. Restraint is not that difficult.

By virtue of just this part of your post, it's clear that you are most observant. Welcome to the forum.

[Alan Mendelson]

He put her there Alan, and he blames her instead of himself for making him move to LV just to be so foolishly closer to the machines, lose everything including her health, then seeing her end up in a wheelchair while he still shamelessly sneaks off to get his fix in the casino every week. Now all he does is lie about it all, me, and create some fantasy world for himself that he wants to be remembered as. Me? I'll remember him for the uncaring individual he is, who put video poker first before the most sacred of things in his life.

And for the fun of it all!

Rob, I don't know if what you say is true but even if it were, you have no business getting involved in someone's personal life or commenting on one's personal life. It's not your business and it certainly is no one else's business and it is not appropriate for public discussion here.

I wouldn't want you to comment about how I cheated on my diabetic diet over the years and that led to my kidney failure. If this were a site about diabetes management -- that would be appropriate. But this is a forum about Las Vegas and it certainly not a forum for you to constantly attack Arc.

Frankly, Rob, none of us know what's true and what isn't except for you and Arc... and the rest of us don't care either. We're more concerned about discussing your play and your strategy, and Arc's responses to your play and strategy. That discussion is worthwhile.

[Alan Mendelson]

I will be using .05/.10/.25/.50/2.00/5.00;$20,$40,$100,$200,$800,$2000 ($3160) with a session goal of $150.00.I live in Long Island N.Y.but own a townhouse in Shawnee PA. and play usually on a weekend basis at Mt. Airy Lodge and Casino in Mt. Pocono,PA.They have only 2 multi-play multi-denomination machines that have ten cent play.These machines have BP, DBP and DDBP.

Thank you for joining us on the Forum. You and I have exchanged private emails about the Forum and I am glad you decided to publicly post. I also appreciate your comments that there are many others who follow the forum but are literally afraid to get involved in the heated debates. There seem to be as many pro-Singer as anti-Singer forum viewers who are reluctant to post.

I really am curious to see if your experiment with Rob's system works. Frankly, I think you'd have a better chance of hitting a $625 win goal by just playing $5 8/5 or even 7/5 Bonus.

And if your win goal is only $150 why not just play $1 8/5 or 7/5 Bonus?

It is very unlikely that you will hit even a $125 win goal playing nickels, dimes. So I consider that to be "lost money." Why not start at a higher level and give yourself a chance of hitting something worthwhile?

Again, thanks for posting.

[jatki]

Actually I will go the the 6th level which is $5.00 ,2.5x the 5th level.This is your like your 6th level $100.00 which is 4x your 5th level.

Then from what I understand antfanas, you're bankroll isn't adequate for that. Even arc (holy smokes!) has it wrong. The bankroll required is 3X 400 times each denomination being played. Maybe Rob can comment.

[jatki]

Thank you for joining us on the Forum. You and I have exchanged private emails about the Forum and I am glad you decided to publicly post. I also appreciate your comments that there are many others who follow the forum but are literally afraid to get involved in the heated debates. There seem to be as many pro-Singer as anti-Singer forum viewers who are reluctant to post.

I really am curious to see if your experiment with Rob's system works. Frankly, I think you'd have a better chance of hitting a $625 win goal by just playing $5 8/5 or even 7/5 Bonus.

And if your win goal is only $150 why not just play $1 8/5 or 7/5 Bonus?

It is very unlikely that you will hit even a $125 win goal playing nickels, dimes. So I consider that to be "lost money." Why not start at a higher level and give yourself a chance of hitting something worthwhile?

Again, thanks for posting.

If you go by the strict reasoning of 2500 times the lowest denomination played, which is what Singer's SPS does, then six similarly ratioed denominations will do the same thing, assuming the same paytables as he played. I'm getting all juiced up reading and writing this, and now I want to try this myself. I've got enough savings to play to the $10 level without concern. Maybe I'll give it a go too.