Of Math and Men

[Alan Mendelson]

Since I don't understand the SPS what does this mean: "If you go by the strict reasoning of 2500 times the lowest denomination played,..." What is this strict reasoning?? Thanks.

[jatki]

Rob, I don't know if what you say is true but even if it were, you have no business getting involved in someone's personal life or commenting on one's personal life. It's not your business and it certainly is no one else's business and it is not appropriate for public discussion here.

I wouldn't want you to comment about how I cheated on my diabetic diet over the years and that led to my kidney failure. If this were a site about diabetes management -- that would be appropriate. But this is a forum about Las Vegas and it certainly not a forum for you to constantly attack Arc.

Frankly, Rob, none of us know what's true and what isn't except for you and Arc... and the rest of us don't care either. We're more concerned about discussing your play and your strategy, and Arc's responses to your play and strategy. That discussion is worthwhile.

I mostly agree Alan, but arc asks for it in nearly every post. But you're 100% right in that none of us care about arc's wife, Singer's zingers, or any lies that could be told. But everyone wants to know more about Singer's play strategy. That's also where I see arc causing trouble because he's never been able to read it without having fits. Let's hope for the best this time!

[arcimede$]

Frankly, Rob, none of us know what's true and what isn't except for you and Arc...

No, Singer has no idea what is true. He makes it up as he goes along. All he knows is my wife is on dialysis because I have mentioned it previously. It's his old game of asserting lies based on his own self-hatred for what he has done over the years in his own life.

It's pretty easy to see why. He can't argue facts with me so he tries to change the subject to something else.

[jatki]

Since I don't understand the SPS what does this mean: "If you go by the strict reasoning of 2500 times the lowest denomination played,..." What is this strict reasoning?? Thanks.

Singer starts at $1 level. 2500 times that equals $2500. That's his win goal in SPS. I believe that's a firm number as I've never seen anything other than that stated anywhere.

[arcimede$]

But everyone wants to know more about Singer's play strategy.

One or two people is now "everyone". Bwah haha haha haha

That's also where I see arc causing trouble because he's never been able to read it without having fits. Let's hope for the best this time!

Lie. Show one case where I have ever "had fits". Or, is that what you call providing mathematical facts?

[antfanas]

I was taught this at a very young age: "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should." This can be applied to the use of profane language all the way down to merely insulting someone. Restraint is not that difficult.

By virtue of just this part of your post, it's clear that you are most observant. Welcome to the forum.

I was taught the same and you are correct restraint is not difficult.Honey is better that vinegar.

Thanks for the welcome

[jatki]

No, Singer has no idea what is true. He makes it up as he goes along. All he knows is my wife is on dialysis because I have mentioned it previously. It's his old game of asserting lies based on his own self-hatred for what he has done over the years in his own life.

It's pretty easy to see why. He can't argue facts with me so he tries to change the subject to something else.

I've seen your diatribe about this a dozen times. Singer's the one who comes on with the facts about his strategy and it pisses you off, so you whip up a thousand lies about him and the way he plays it. I don't care about your wife, what you did to cause her harm if anything, or your own worthless way of playing in my mind. I do care about SPS and what it can do. You're constant valueless rants and lies about Singer's life is so seen through with ease.

[jatki]

One or two people is now "everyone". Bwah haha haha haha



Lie. Show one case where I have ever "had fits". Or, is that what you call providing mathematical facts?

Singer was right, you're all sour grapes.
Where've you had a fit? Try right here! You're so overcome by the guy you don't even see it when you do it.

[Alan Mendelson]

STOP STOP STOP

No more discussing Singer vs Arc or Arc vs Singer.

STOP STOP STOP

[arcimede$]

I've seen your diatribe about this a dozen times. Singer's the one who comes on with the facts about his strategy and it pisses you off, so you whip up a thousand lies about him and the way he plays it.

I see you didn't provide a single example to support your last lie. You won't provide any with this lie either. One can only wonder why you choose to come here and tell one lie after another.

[antfanas]

Frankly, Rob, none of us know what's true and what isn't except for you and Arc... and the rest of us don't care either. We're more concerned about discussing your play and your strategy, and Arc's responses to your play and strategy. That discussion is worthwhile.

You hit the nail on the head.That is exactly why I started posting here.I am interested in their play and not the venom.If they can co-exist we can all benefit.

[arcimede$]

Singer was right, you're all sour grapes.
Where've you had a fit? Try right here! You're so overcome by the guy you don't even see it when you do it.

Sorry, your own anger at me for showing you haven't a single fact to back up your silly assertions has gotten you scrambling around telling one lie after another. Clearly, you are the one that has lost it. Absolutely hilarious.

[Alan Mendelson]

PLEASE STOP. No more Arc vs Singer and Singer vs Arc.

[jatki]

No more. No more attacks, period.

[slingshot]

I was taught this at a very young age: "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should." This can be applied to the use of profane language all the way down to merely insulting someone. Restraint is not that difficult.

By virtue of just this part of your post, it's clear that you are most observant. Welcome to the forum.

Yeah, and pretty clear that I'm not too observant. I just saw the semi-colon separating the denoms from the amounts. LOL.

[Vegas Vic]

PLEASE STOP. No more Arc vs Singer and Singer vs Arc.

[Rob.Singer]

Good one Vic! I used that on arci five years ago, and all it does is enrage him even further!

[antfanas]

Thank you for joining us on the Forum. You and I have exchanged private emails about the Forum and I am glad you decided to publicly post. I also appreciate your comments that there are many others who follow the forum but are literally afraid to get involved in the heated debates. There seem to be as many pro-Singer as anti-Singer forum viewers who are reluctant to post.

I really am curious to see if your experiment with Rob's system works. Frankly, I think you'd have a better chance of hitting a $625 win goal by just playing $5 8/5 or even 7/5 Bonus.

And if your win goal is only $150 why not just play $1 8/5 or 7/5 Bonus?

It is very unlikely that you will hit even a $125 win goal playing nickels, dimes. So I consider that to be "lost money." Why not start at a higher level and give yourself a chance of hitting something worthwhile?

Again, thanks for posting.

Thank you Allan for the welcome.I have now lowered my session win goal to $125 which is 2500x.05 my lowest denomination as Mr Singer suggests .Alan I don't care whose system/method is the best as long as I leave the casino with more $ than I came in with.
I am not an expert on SPS and have questions for Mr Singer.You win your goal in increments or possibly on one hand for instance a .05 RF for $200.00. The more hands you play at lower levels and lose money,the greater the chance that you will hit a large hand at higher levels.For example I played through .05/.10/.25 BP and DDBP
and had no 40 credit cash outs so I was behind $160($20/$40/$100). I began the next level playing .50 BP and won 220 credits($110) soft profit.This could not get me back to the .25BP level as I needed to win $120 or 240 credits.I was $10 short.I continued to play .50 BP and lost the 100 credits.I then stated to play 300 credits on a game called double crown poker which pays 800 for 4A and 600 for quad K,Q,J. I was down 100 credits and then hit 4A.Total win was $400-$50-$50+$110-$160=$250 Profit.You must have a plan and stick to it.

[arcimede$]

The more hands you play at lower levels and lose money,the greater the chance that you will hit a large hand at higher levels.

Not if the games are random. The chances are the same on every single hand. They do not get better because of previous losses. This is not uncommon thinking among those who do not understand randomness. However, it is wrong.

Do you believe that if you flip a coin 5 times and get heads that the odds of a tail on the next flip have increased? If you do, what physical mechanism changes the flight of the coin to increase the odds of a tail? If you don't, then why would you believe another random game is any different?

[antfanas]

Not if the games are random. The chances are the same on every single hand. They do not get better because of previous losses. This is not uncommon thinking among those who do not understand randomness. However, it is wrong.

Do you believe that if you flip a coin 5 times and get heads that the odds of a tail on the next flip have increased? If you do, what physical mechanism changes the flight of the coin to increase the odds of a tail? If you don't, then why would you believe another random game is any different?

I paid for and read a tell-all book from a former slot/poker machine manager.He states that when a series of winning results occur when players first begin playing it has the desired effect of "hooking" the player into believing the machine is "friendly" and on the verge of bigger and better things.How many players would walk away from a winning series of results when they first begin playing.Most players will stay at a machine that gives them something right away.The casinos knows this and adjust the programming of their machines to fit this behavior.These programs are called "builds" which he states he was present for as these programs were upgraded or changed.Are they completely random????