The WoV Thread

[monet]

Just to clarify, and Mister V probably has more knowledge on this than me, but Nevada is a "no fault" divorce state. So even if she kicks your ass out, all income earned during the marriage and assets obtained during the marriage are split 50-50 barring child support or just an idiot judge. Doesn't matter if it's all in her name and control.

Good information to know and I thank you.

I think it's clear I'm not the type of individual who calls the cops or goes to court. If I do have to hold court it's in the street. However, with my wife I have said that her and I have made a covenant and have a contract that we will stay together till death does us part. She actually takes it more serious than I do... she won't let me go and if I do go she will wait for years for me to come back. I have enough experience and proof to back that statement up. Personally though if she wants me out that bad and to never be a part of her life anymore... I wouldn't fight it or her. I have enough hidden emergency cash for me but really if it gets that ugly... it's over... I'm done... onto the next life for me.

[LarryS]

So after that post LarryS... is it safe to say in America, dealing with the medical profession... that it is first about wealth before health?

yes, you need to squirrel away wealth for that rainy day when our court system allows a 350 mil suit against you.

In england, I saw something like 60 minutes where a successful young docor was living in a modest flat, was making a modest living as the govt pays for everything including his salary...and he has a nice life.

Here its more about accumulating wealth for selfish reasons of course....and for the rainy day fund in case of the big suit.

If you look at precription prices you might see that for non insured you can get a 90 day supply of one med at CVS for 400.00 and the same at Safeway for 90.00. Or 60 dollars at costco.

If you pay cash I would go to goodrx.com and research prices. Its a great resource to help you find the best price.

I agree that cash customers for healthcare are totally fucked

[monet]

Yeah no Capitalists here in the medical field which is supposed to be helping people get better. Where people are supposed to care about individuals over themselves and the dollar.

Doctors aren't living in mansions and driving expensive cars and whatever... don't even get me started on how they scam the insurance and patients lol... you guys are funny!

Based on personal experience with doctors and dentists, I'm pretty sure most of them are sociopaths and a few are psychopaths.

No thank you button soooo Thank You!

[mickeycrimm]

Sounds like the same group of alleged AP hustlers I left 4 months ago. Mickey always the top gun.

So you're back in the forums because you've got some time to kill sitting out the month until your next check arrives and you can head back to the casino. That's your habit, right? Spending the first days of the month in the casino until you blow your check then sit out the rest of the month waiting on the next check.

[monet]

cap·i·tal·ism
ˈkapədlˌizəm/Submit
noun
noun: capitalism

an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
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It seems to me that most of us are and would rather be capitalists rather than the state having complete control over us.

[mickeycrimm]

There was a WoV thread last year called Loss Rebate Syndicate. Some guy was talking about everyone pooling their money to give one guy a shot at a big loss rebate from the casino. Sort of like Don Johnson the blackjack player did. WoN quickly jumped into that thread. He tried to talk the guy into taking it to PM and may have succeeded as the thread quickly died out. I wonder if WoN tagged that guy for a bunch of money.

[monet]

There was a WoV thread last year called Loss Rebate Syndicate. Some guy was talking about everyone pooling their money to give one guy a shot at a big loss rebate from the casino. Sort of like Don Johnson the blackjack player did. WoN quickly jumped into that thread. He tried to talk the guy into taking it to PM and may have succeeded as the thread quickly died out. I wonder if WoN tagged that guy for a bunch of money.

I remember that thread. More importantly is that these so called honest moral Legitimate APs make big bank off of Loss Rebate Programs but that is completely kosher. Making money showing false losses to basically steal or scam the Casino is highly ethical behavior to these Abraham Lincoln APs. Look I'm not upset or condemning anyone for abusing or destroying Loss Rebates... I've stolen plenty from them and if I find another good one you better believe I'm running everyone and his brothers brother through the gauntlet. I just don't agree with this obvious idea that legitimate APs exist over illegitimate APs. Advantage Play is nothing but doing what is necessary to get the edge in the players favor. You bet your life if someone gives me inside information on a stock tip from insider trading or some boxer is taking a dive... I'm gonna use that information and profit from it. The same goes for anything in life to get an edge. Some gay guy named Cole Porter wrote a song named Anything Goes. It's pretty catchy and it made him plenty of money.

[LarryS]

I used to read APs talk about the good ole days when they could reach under and steal quarters from slot machines. I wonder if those same folks look down on shop lifters at Sun Glass Hut. Or the person who buys something at 7-11 and when the cashier opens the register drawer, reaches around and snatches money from THAT machine and runs away.
Will those APs say they are clean while the others are dirty? Is there a limit on what is stolen that makes it cool. Like a 150 dollar pair of sunglasses is not cool, but 4 dollars worth of quarters is ok.

When I hear KJ swear he is totally clean....I wonder if its by choice or from lack of the right opportunity.

[monet]

So I'm sitting here listening to Cole Porter as I sometimes do. Of course I made a wise crack earlier about his preference towards the same sex which isn't nice but it was accurate. One thing is clear... this guy could write and was way ahead of his time. If you have time you should youtube him and his endless volume of songs and musicals. He clearly was a genius. My favorite song of his is "So In Love" and I think Ella Fitzgerald sings it best. Given the right circumstances it can bring Niagra Falls or Water Works to your eyes. My favorite lines of the song ring true to life and are just raw and no holds barred.

So taunt me, and hurt me
Deceive me, desert me
I'm yours, till I die.....
So in love.... So in love....
So in love with you, my love... am I....

I am curious though about his song "you're the top" ... he sure does talk about top and bottom over and over in that song... is this a reference to the modern day meaning of top and bottom in the rainbow community?

Not that it matters but at this period in time his sexual behavior was highly illegal. They would of strung him up and called him a POS like everyone is calling WoN or almost everyone. I ask the question about the song because he had many coded messages in his songs. Even though he faced serious trouble he clearly wasn't scared and said what he wanted. Over 1200 songs and fame and fortune allows you to get away with illegal activity. Sounds like an AP to me... but at that time period he was an illegal AP doing whatever he wanted... Anything Goes.... !!

Could you imagine KewlJ trying to count cards in the 1920s or 30s or any time period but this modern era... it surely would of been difficult to near impossible? It would be nice if the Honest, moral APs would actually study the history of gambling and realize how dirty it was and still is. Well, you can't blame these guys really... they have to stick to this facade about how they are the victim and they have the highest utmost moral standards in the underworld of Advantage Play.

Now look at his song "Let's Do It" ... tell me this song doesn't start off with a bang!? You gotta love how you could say these things less than a hundred years ago... try to get away with this today! My favorite part of the song...

Chinks do it. Japs do it
Upper Lapland little Lapps do it
Let's do it
Let's fall in love

Different time period so the words aren't offensive to most people. You can even argue it's just a song and he's talking about sex or love but most likely sex and lust but it's still funny to hear him say those words. Heck I call my wife one of those words from time time and she says she isn't... she's Hong Kong people!

[mickeycrimm]

I used to read APs talk about the good ole days when they could reach under and steal quarters from slot machines. I wonder if those same folks look down on shop lifters at Sun Glass Hut. Or the person who buys something at 7-11 and when the cashier opens the register drawer, reaches around and snatches money from THAT machine and runs away.
Will those APs say they are clean while the others are dirty? Is there a limit on what is stolen that makes it cool. Like a 150 dollar pair of sunglasses is not cool, but 4 dollars worth of quarters is ok.

When I hear KJ swear he is totally clean....I wonder if its by choice or from lack of the right opportunity.

There are/were criminal pharmacists involved in the opioid crisis. Do you swear you stayed clean the whole time? Was it by choice or lack of the right opportunity?

You weren't reading about AP's stealing quarters. You were reading about thieves stealing quarters.

[mickeycrimm]

Monet, it looks like WoN had a lot to do with the selling of slot cards with freeplay on them. How does this scam work? I had a friend that lives in Ohio that used to have a friend of his run off his freeplay in Las Vegas for a percentage. That's normally how it works. But these cards that WoN was supposedly selling, whose names were on the cards, his or was it a third party?

Was WoN running action on cards that were in the names of others and then selling the cards along with the pin numbers to others?

Or was he a go between for others?

What would be the point of selling the cards for a fraction of the value when one could just run the freeplay off themselves?

[RS__]

Monet, it looks like WoN had a lot to do with the selling of slot cards with freeplay on them. How does this scam work? I had a friend that lives in Ohio that used to have a friend of his run off his freeplay in Las Vegas for a percentage. That's normally how it works. But these cards that WoN was supposedly selling, whose names were on the cards, his or was it a third party?

Was WoN running action on cards that were in the names of others and then selling the cards along with the pin numbers to others?

Or was he a go between for others?

What would be the point of selling the cards for a fraction of the value when one could just run the freeplay off themselves?

Cuz later on you sell 10 cards for $2k each. “They all have $5k each for the month.” The twist is — there’s nothing on those new 10 cards.

[mickeycrimm]

Monet, it looks like WoN had a lot to do with the selling of slot cards with freeplay on them. How does this scam work? I had a friend that lives in Ohio that used to have a friend of his run off his freeplay in Las Vegas for a percentage. That's normally how it works. But these cards that WoN was supposedly selling, whose names were on the cards, his or was it a third party?

Was WoN running action on cards that were in the names of others and then selling the cards along with the pin numbers to others?

Or was he a go between for others?

What would be the point of selling the cards for a fraction of the value when one could just run the freeplay off themselves?

Cuz later on you sell 10 cards for $2k each. “They all have $5k each for the month.” The twist is — there’s nothing on those new 10 cards.

If the deal is supposedly legitimate what would be the motivation to sell cards with free play on them when you could just run it off yourself.

What is the sales pitch?

[blackhole]

So you're back in the forums because you've got some time to kill sitting out the month until your next check arrives and you can head back to the casino. That's your habit, right? Spending the first days of the month in the casino until you blow your check then sit out the rest of the month waiting on the next check.[/QUOTE]

Mickey Crumb, as usual dead on again. Actually, I was gone for 4 months because I was on a crazy winning streak and it took 4 months before I gave it all back. So, I finally got back to the forums. For the record, I was just approved for Medicaid, and now have health insurance. Maybe now I could last a little longer.

I read where you said you would jump all over an insider stock tip. Trust me when I say if you haven’t gotten any of those yet by your age, it should be obvious that your creditability isn’t worthy of such information. You have a better chance to win the lottery. In other words, stick to your nickel and dime two-bit career driving all over the place trying to find them. Two other question while I have your attention. Wouldn’t it be easier to stay where you are and just do the deposit bottle thing? Do you have some type of portable snow plow that you could fix easily on and off the front of your car in case of bad weather while you’re traveling all over the place picking off all these two-bits and taking photo ops?

Not that this really matters, but after communicating back and forth with all you alleged AP’s and learning the basics of what it’s all about, the only two people I would want to meet up with from here would be Alan, and Rob.

Don’t worry Kewlj, I won’t be trashing you alleged AP’s anymore. I just popped in to share my experience with one of the AP hustlers. You hustling AP’s deserve these sites all to yourselves. The stupidity you hustlers expose on your own is enough to convince most how much shit your pushing. Of course you hustlers don’t want anyone here pointing out your bullshit.

Think about what became obvious for a minute. What reason would an AP hustler have to participate on these sites? They will never give up or share an alleged play at least in public. Obviously, they just use these sites to communicate and hustle with each other via pms. The sites pretend to offer bait like math answers, where you could eat for 5 bucks, occasionally gambling sports plays no one needs, because they could lose their money on their own. So, while the AP hustlers hustle underground their waiting to hook a sucker off the boards.

It’s also been exposed the complete underground at WOV knew all along what was going on for years. I would have to assume that very soon those threads about WON which have to exist for now in order for the operators to play dumb will soon be locked and fade away. They tried to ban the story out of the gate crying about exposing a real person. The guy was a hustling AP skumbag. They should have started a thread themselves with a huge wanted poster exposing everything about him. But, that wasn’t their first instinct. Their first instinct was to protect the traffic and the suckers who join online casinos and hopefully fall for a hustle from a hustling AP.

Alan started this forum with the right intentions. Yet, the hustlers eventually found another place to recruit and eventually ran him off.

[mickeycrimm]

It's a bitch ain't it, Blackbutthole, having to sit out another two weeks until you get another check so you can go back to the casino. They ream your ass with borax and you love it. Keep bragging about losing, dumbshit. That's your style.

[mickeycrimm]

So you're back in the forums because you've got some time to kill sitting out the month until your next check arrives and you can head back to the casino. That's your habit, right? Spending the first days of the month in the casino until you blow your check then sit out the rest of the month waiting on the next check.

Mickey Crumb, as usual dead on again. Actually, I was gone for 4 months because I was on a crazy winning streak and it took 4 months before I gave it all back. So, I finally got back to the forums. For the record, I was just approved for Medicaid, and now have health insurance. Maybe now I could last a little longer.

I read where you said you would jump all over an insider stock tip. Trust me when I say if you haven’t gotten any of those yet by your age, it should be obvious that your creditability isn’t worthy of such information. You have a better chance to win the lottery. In other words, stick to your nickel and dime two-bit career driving all over the place trying to find them. Two other question while I have your attention. Wouldn’t it be easier to stay where you are and just do the deposit bottle thing? Do you have some type of portable snow plow that you could fix easily on and off the front of your car in case of bad weather while you’re traveling all over the place picking off all these two-bits and taking photo ops?

Not that this really matters, but after communicating back and forth with all you alleged AP’s and learning the basics of what it’s all about, the only two people I would want to meet up with from here would be Alan, and Rob.

Don’t worry Kewlj, I won’t be trashing you alleged AP’s anymore. I just popped in to share my experience with one of the AP hustlers. You hustling AP’s deserve these sites all to yourselves. The stupidity you hustlers expose on your own is enough to convince most how much shit your pushing. Of course you hustlers don’t want anyone here pointing out your bullshit.

Think about what became obvious for a minute. What reason would an AP hustler have to participate on these sites? They will never give up or share an alleged play at least in public. Obviously, they just use these sites to communicate and hustle with each other via pms. The sites pretend to offer bait like math answers, where you could eat for 5 bucks, occasionally gambling sports plays no one needs, because they could lose their money on their own. So, while the AP hustlers hustle underground their waiting to hook a sucker off the boards.

It’s also been exposed the complete underground at WOV knew all along what was going on for years. I would have to assume that very soon those threads about WON which have to exist for now in order for the operators to play dumb will soon be locked and fade away. They tried to ban the story out of the gate crying about exposing a real person. The guy was a hustling AP skumbag. They should have started a thread themselves with a huge wanted poster exposing everything about him. But, that wasn’t their first instinct. Their first instinct was to protect the traffic and the suckers who join online casinos and hopefully fall for a hustle from a hustling AP.

Alan started this forum with the right intentions. Yet, the hustlers eventually found another place to recruit and eventually ran him off.[/QUOTE]

So what you are saying is if you get outhouse lucky and win playing a sucker game you are bound and determined to blow the money back even if it takes 4 months to do it. How does it feel to be the casinos' bitch?

[monet]

Not that this really matters, but after communicating back and forth with all you alleged AP’s and learning the basics of what it’s all about, the only two people I would want to meet up with from here would be Alan, and Rob.

Don’t worry Kewlj, I won’t be trashing you alleged AP’s anymore. I just popped in to share my experience with one of the AP hustlers. You hustling AP’s deserve these sites all to yourselves. The stupidity you hustlers expose on your own is enough to convince most how much shit your pushing. Of course you hustlers don’t want anyone here pointing out your bullshit.

Think about what became obvious for a minute. What reason would an AP hustler have to participate on these sites? They will never give up or share an alleged play at least in public. Obviously, they just use these sites to communicate and hustle with each other via pms. The sites pretend to offer bait like math answers, where you could eat for 5 bucks, occasionally gambling sports plays no one needs, because they could lose their money on their own. So, while the AP hustlers hustle underground their waiting to hook a sucker off the boards.

It’s also been exposed the complete underground at WOV knew all along what was going on for years. I would have to assume that very soon those threads about WON which have to exist for now in order for the operators to play dumb will soon be locked and fade away. They tried to ban the story out of the gate crying about exposing a real person. The guy was a hustling AP skumbag. They should have started a thread themselves with a huge wanted poster exposing everything about him. But, that wasn’t their first instinct. Their first instinct was to protect the traffic and the suckers who join online casinos and hopefully fall for a hustle from a hustling AP.

Alan started this forum with the right intentions. Yet, the hustlers eventually found another place to recruit and eventually ran him off.

I am not sure this is completely true. I think I have shared plenty of real world information to get anyone started playing on machines that wanted to and get an edge over the Casino with time and patience the player will eat for free and make money. The normal average would be around 8 to 20 dollars per hour depending on what denomination and games they decided to play, however when certain promotions pop up they can make some serious money in a short amount of time. If the individual doesn't mind getting a little dirty they can really make some cash running multiple cards. For me this is sorta how it went. The Plaza starts up a Double Royal Promotion with the Bingo game for months before most people understood it. You play one session of Bingo and they Double your Royals for the day every day. They had plenty of games over 100% and even higher denomination games to abuse. Months later they advertise the New Slot Club and Double Royal Promotion with Tier Match. Once again not many people hip to it when it first popped up. Why do I know? Because I was over there and it was dead for the first few weeks, Now I run into a long time known Machine Hustler... he figures out that Catch the Heat is beatable. At first only a few of us really hammer it. Later many players Hammer it. Needless to say after over a year 8 months of the new promotion and 6 months of the old Bingo Promotion I made over 100k in Cash not to mention all the free food and rooms and what not. During this time another smart guy figures out that Binions is glitched up with the daily promotion where you earn 300 points and swipe. So you play one day and swipe and the next day you roll in between 2am and 4am and you can swipe 3 more times for free. This went on for over 3 years and was around a 2.5% advantage per card. Most players only played for the 40 points. Most players didn't know it was glitched up for over 2 years. Plenty of money made over there for me in over 3 years but I am willing to run multiple cards and swipe. I have no problem getting dirt on my hands. After the Plaza ends... what do you know the Boyd Properties are running this new thing called Young at Heart and they have a potential to get a 30x multiplier on VP. This runs for a few years as well getting around another 2.5% edge and people are running cards like crazy. I never seen anyone honest on this promotion. I even seen little old ladies running multiple cards. While this is going on the Skyline offers Chase the Royal Promotion and in one month on quarters I made over 20k in cash. Now Tax Day runs at the Plaza and I lose but many APs crushed it. So you see how this goes. You grind and grind and grind until something pops up and trust me something is always popping up around the corner somewhere. If your willing to travel it can get even better.

I think your wrong though I have seen other APs share information publicly. However, it is rare. Most players don't want to share real world information. I am not like that I don't mind telling you what to play and how to play it because nobody is really going to listen. I also don't mind telling you that I have no problems with illegal activity. That is part of the business. If your that naive to think that isn't part of every day life in America than so be it. Don't believe that everyone is a scum bag in the real world. It really does urk me when I see people calling other people scum or POS because we are all dirty and ugly and filthy inside. Perhaps... maybe someone is playing it straight in the Casino but I doubt it... everyone is up to something but let's say they are super straight in the gaming world. it doesn't matter they go home and they do some evil deed against themselves or their neighbors or their neighbors wife or whatever. None of you have the right to point the finger at people and call them scum and go home and do scummy things yourselves. I have to stop here lol... I lost my train of thought.

[monet]

If the deal is supposedly legitimate what would be the motivation to sell cards with free play on them when you could just run it off yourself.

What is the sales pitch?

Look it doesn't matter what his pitch or scam was. The point is that all parties involved are up to no good and of course when you play with fire sometimes you get burnt. The RS's of the world obviously got burned someway or somehow and are losing their minds with all this righteous mumbo jumbo... whatever. The only one I have a hard time figuring out is Maxpen. He jumps on the Bandwagon and points the finger at Mission like The Boz but when you read his statements it might be clear that he is upset more so at the website WoV how it claims to be an honest site and has dishonest things going on. The truth is almost all of them are hush hush on the topic. You never hear a peep from the king or their leader about WoN or the subject. Your gonna sit here and tell me that the guy who is on these sites always meeting up with everyone and asking to meet up with anyone and recruits like there is no tomorrow didn't or doesn't have dealings with WoN? Who cares... pass the Captain Morgan and lets drink another.

Next you have the guy that this leader claims to be the teacher of them all. I read his posts basically saying where the Wizard is the Master and all the members are his students. Not exactly in those words but pretty close. So now we have the all mighty and powerful Wizard of Odds who is always clueless about this or that. Every time something goes wrong on his site he claims ignorance. I didn't know WoN was Strictly AP... I didn't know PingPangPong was Monet0412. I didn't know that I was going to have to give a eulogy at a Church for a member who was a Casino Employee even know I don't believe in God... I believe in Science but I will go to this synagogue and talk about what a great person Paigowdan was. Give me a kit kat bar please. Break me off a piece of that Kit Kat Bar. This high and mighty moral person in the Casino who tells his members where to find the best value for call girls online doesn't know anything. He works for the Casino but doesn't help thwart AP action or out Players? No not this guy!?

The real truth is most of these players are teamed up and have to stick together. Heck they freely admit that they are teaming up. How many times have you heard that AxelWolf is teamed up with RS and Djatc?? Maxpen openly admits he works with them at times but he does his own thing and obviously The Boz is in on it with them as well. All you have to do is read and read every post and you get all the information you need. They don't make that a secret and they stick together like birds of a feather. If you notice it is always the same side saying the same things in the posts and the same people giving the Thank You button to each other. They have to stick together. It is like a pack of wolves. You have to stay with the pack so you can get your next meal. They make it sound like how Doyle and Amarillo and Sailor were teaming up playing on the same bankroll but weren't cheating the players lol. Anyone remember Stu Unger? Greatest Poker Player alive and all real Poker Players won't say anything bad about him but it is clear that he wasn't a good person and it is clear he wasn't above cheating. He used to know when the fix was in on the ponies. Pretty funny and later we find out that their personal lives were pretty dirty as well but your gonna believe that nobody is doing anything wrong... whatever you guys have to tell yourselves to not have the nightmares. Heck I get the nightmares every night... they aren't fun so if it is working for you I don't blame you doing what you have to do to get away from the nightmares. You mother F'ers stop acting like us real players don't know what goes on in the AP world!!

It is all pretty much a sham just like almost everything is in life and if you want to keep believing the lies who can blame you. I want to believe the fairy tales and eat ice cream all day too. Wait a minute I kinda do eat ice cream all day... ok scratch that. Also if you read this post this far you may have to re-read because when I get going I go back and add more and more to my posts. These mother f'ing do gooders of society in the AP world get my blood boiling so I gotta do some other stuff. Oh I did ask a few Casino Employees in key positions what they thought about Advantage Play. Officially they don't like it and they are doing more and more to thwart it. The machines are even being programmed to thwart AP play tracking how and what you play. Unofficially with the right people and money and some charisma APs are allowed to operate and business as usual. However it is sorta like Bank Robbing in the early part of the 1900s. Everything was good and the robbers were protected by the Mob and civilians but when the Feds got involved and changed the laws... the Mob and everyone else had to stop helping the bad guys. Things change and you have to either adapt or die.

[redietz]

I wasn't sure if blackhole was referencing me or not, since I don't consider myself an AP and I don't post plays, but I am a sports bettor.

I wish he would stick to what he knows. I just had one of the finest all-time years, my sixth best year ever in straight plays, plus I nailed some hefty futures for a profit. I have never, not once since 1979, lied or even vaguely misrepresented a number, a record, a statistic of any kind. I have never recruited a client or partner from any website. I post under my own name, and my record this past year is verifiable via both contest plays and dated emails to clients. I am well ahead lifetime sports gambling -- not even close.

So don't disparage me with some throwaway line about sports gamblers. If you want to take shots at the rest of the industry, be my guest. But since I'm the sports bettor who's been on this site the longest, please at least have the decency to stick to some kind of verifiable facts.

I've been doing this a long time. I have conducted myself pristinely for 40 years, and to say that has come at great price is banal and obvious. But that's the way I've done things, as a thumbing my nose at the industry and capitalistic ethos in general. It twists my knickers if somebody takes a shot at me. I'm the guy who didn't keep a client he actually met until he was 35 because he never compromised a word coming out of his mouth. When 900 numbers were in vogue, and Feist took over my particular line, I was the guy who didn't take a Monday night game for two months because, in my mind, they weren't good bets. Do not frame me as even remotely possibly some backchannel scamming entrepreneur.

[monet]

I wasn't sure if blackhole was referencing me or not, since I don't consider myself an AP and I don't post plays, but I am a sports bettor.

I wish he would stick to what he knows. I just had one of the finest all-time years, my sixth best year ever in straight plays, plus I nailed some hefty futures for a profit. I have never, not once since 1979, lied or even vaguely misrepresented a number, a record, a statistic of any kind. I have never recruited a client or partner from any website. I post under my own name, and my record this past year is verifiable via both contest plays and dated emails to clients. I am well ahead lifetime sports gambling -- not even close.

So don't disparage me with some throwaway line about sports gamblers. If you want to take shots at the rest of the industry, be my guest. But since I'm the sports bettor who's been on this site the longest, please at least have the decency to stick to some kind of verifiable facts.

I've been doing this a long time. I have conducted myself pristinely for 40 years, and to say that has come at great price is banal and obvious. But that's the way I've done things, as a thumbing my nose at the industry and capitalistic ethos in general. It twists my knickers if somebody takes a shot at me. I'm the guy who didn't keep a client he actually met until he was 35 because he never compromised a word coming out of his mouth. When 900 numbers were in vogue, and Feist took over my particular line, I was the guy who didn't take a Monday night game for two months because, in my mind, they weren't good bets. Do not frame me as even remotely possibly some backchannel scamming entrepreneur.

I like redietz. I like most of you. I just don't like the idea how many of you think your wearing all white clothes without any blemishes on them. Even if redietz has been in the industry for 40 years and never did one thing that was dishonest directly it doesn't matter. Just being involved in Sports and Sports betting is indirectly dishonest. It's ok... I am not going to argue it anymore. I think I have beat the dead horse for over two years enough. I'm tired. I am clearly the only bad guy on these sites and one day I hope to aspire to be like all of you honest do gooder's!