Originally Posted by arcimede$ View Post
Riddle me this, Alan.

What is the difference between BP and games like craps and blackjack? All are slightly negative games based on random events. Therefore, if win/loss goals work for BP then they should also work for craps and blackjack. Have you tried to use them for craps?

Why do you think the MIT blackjack team developed a counting scheme and worked so hard to hide that fact? Why didn't they just use win/loss goals. It would have been significantly easier. Are MIT professors stupid? Or, just maybe, do they understand the situation better than you do?
Of course craps players use win goals. I explained this many times in the past and questioned why win goals were okay for craps and for live poker but only the video poker community challenged the idea of quitting when ahead.

I am not a blackjack player but based on my limited knowledge of the concept of card counting, when the shoe or deck turns positive you want to stay at the game betting big.

I did play blackjack once with a friend who is a card counter (we almost got thrown out of State Line Primm when he discovered the count went positive and he upped his bets from $10 to $100 -- the floorman came over and said to him "no more, sir.") So blackjack is a game where you can detect trends. Video poker is not as each hand is an independent event... as craps is also a game of independent events.

Getting back to craps-- of course we use win goals. And after a big run/win craps tables will clear out. Players instinctively know that it is very unlikely to have two big winning hands (shooters) back to back. In craps its OK to take the money and run with it.

Only in video poker -- with the AP crowd -- does this idea of win goals and taking the money and run does not make sense.