The WoV Thread

[Alan Mendelson]

In fact I asked that same question here on the forum several times but no one responded. I'll ask again:
What percentage of the time have you been ahead by just one bet playing video poker?

Starting with a bank roll of 100 units, Alan, you can expect to hit 105 units (where each unit bet pays 4000 to 1 for a natural royal flush) about 82% of the time before losing the 100 units (i.e losing your bank roll) when playing 8/5 (99.17% payback) bonus poker (assumes optimal discarding strategy - no "special plays") as shown in the screenshot. 18% of the time you will never reach 105 units before losing your bank roll of 100 units.

You're showing Alan an 82% rate, but when you start at 1 credit, then bet 2 if you lose, then bet 5 credits until you recover and make at least 1 credit profit, the rate goes up to 95%. I've used this method on the $100 machine 5 times just to try it out. I'm 5-0 and $1100 ahead doing it. It is not, however, a reasonable way to try and make consistent money.

Rob he confirmed your strategy. You said you had an 85% win rate and his math shows being ahead 82% of the time.

Done.

[jbjb]

Now go and try to become a gazillionaire doing it. Guaranteed you'll end up broke!

[Alan Mendelson]

Now go and try to become a gazillionaire doing it. Guaranteed you'll end up broke!

If the goal is a 5% return you'd need a 20Xgazillion starting bankroll and a casino to accept those bets to make it happen.

Now, does that answer your troll question?

[mickeycrimm]

I understand there's a significant difference between posting something online (few viewers) vs having a TV show or segment on your plays. But why write about them online, especially in so much detail? I mean, you're practically begging for people to come out to MT to compete against you. I somewhat considered taking a trip out there just to see what was all going on....but figured at $500/day in EV, it isn't worth it (lots of expenses), plus I don't know the lay of the land, would have to do the math on the games, etc. That isn't to say someone who is more motivated to travel and do new stuff if they don't have anything right now (EG: Someone like ZenKing) wouldn't fly or drive out there and do a MT tour for a few weeks or month(s), or possibly just live out there.

Tell them to come in December or January. They'll love the hot and balmy days.

That doesn't make any sense. Even RS__ should be able to deduce that mickey already knows nobody is ever gonna go out to Montana to check him and his total dump casinos out. That's why he keeps inviting "AP's". I've been thru there four times, only because of having to over the years. There's absolutely nothing worthwhile, and just about all the slobs up there look like and drink like him.

I think you picked up on the scam. He's another WoN lurking on the forums, only he doesn't have the brains, the resources, or the nerve to create any tale where anyone with money would bother going to a hole like he hides in. That's also why he makes up stories and drive-by pics of being in Oklahoma one day, Louisiana the next, the Montana the next. There must be someone who keeps trying to meet him up there for some kind of proof.

If you've checked Montana out then name some of the video poker games.

[mickeycrimm]

Now, does that answer your troll question?

Alan, your buddy, Argentino, is trolling a thread he agreed to stay out of. What's your opinion of that?

[mickeycrimm]

That's right, they exempt all those near-$10,000 jackpots you told everyone you play for "a thousand times"!Next lie please.

I'll throw down on a 10K must hit if I ever find a play. And you would rather climb to the top of a tree just to be able to tell a lie rather than stand on the ground and tell the truth.

[Alan Mendelson]

Now, does that answer your troll question?

Alan, your buddy, Argentino, is trolling a thread he agreed to stay out of. What's your opinion of that?

I think you're the troll and I am sure Dan will allow Rob's posting here since the discussion is about him.

I also think you mickeycrimm are worse with your insults than Rob and your only purpose now is to cause agitation. You've been talking about others being banned but it's you who should be banned.

[tableplay]

Starting with a bank roll of 100 units, Alan, you can expect to hit 105 units (where each unit bet pays 4000 to 1 for a natural royal flush) about 82% of the time before losing the 100 units (i.e losing your bank roll) when playing 8/5 (99.17% payback) bonus poker (assumes optimal discarding strategy - no "special plays") as shown in the screenshot. 18% of the time you will never reach 105 units before losing your bank roll of 100 units.

You're showing Alan an 82% rate, but when you start at 1 credit, then bet 2 if you lose, then bet 5 credits until you recover and make at least 1 credit profit, the rate goes up to 95%. I've used this method on the $100 machine 5 times just to try it out. I'm 5-0 and $1100 ahead doing it. It is not, however, a reasonable way to try and make consistent money.

Rob he confirmed your strategy. You said you had an 85% win rate and his math shows being ahead 82% of the time.

Done.

Yes, "Done" is the keyword here. If you make your $105 from $100 (or 105 units from 100 units) and never play again. If you keep playing, whether a day later or 20 years later, then your probability of ruin (losing your entire bankroll) is 100% for standard 8/5 bonus poker and perfect discarding strategy because the payout is less than 100% (99.17%). Now with a players club card and playing on multiplier days or using 8/5 bp to grind through free play, there is nothing wrong with continued play.

[Alan Mendelson]

You're showing Alan an 82% rate, but when you start at 1 credit, then bet 2 if you lose, then bet 5 credits until you recover and make at least 1 credit profit, the rate goes up to 95%. I've used this method on the $100 machine 5 times just to try it out. I'm 5-0 and $1100 ahead doing it. It is not, however, a reasonable way to try and make consistent money.

Rob he confirmed your strategy. You said you had an 85% win rate and his math shows being ahead 82% of the time.

Done.

Yes, "Done" is the keyword here. If you make your $105 from $100 (or 105 units from 100 units) and never play again. If you keep playing, whether a day later or 20 years later, then your probability of ruin (losing your entire bankroll) is 100% for standard 8/5 bonus poker and perfect discarding strategy because the payout is less than 100% (99.17%). Now with a players club card and playing on multiplier days or using 8/5 bp to grind through free play, there is nothing wrong with continued play.

Of course I'm interested to see how Rob responds to this. But if I have an 82% chance of winning 5% of my money on day 1 wouldn't I still have an 82% chance of winning $5 on day two?

[mickeycrimm]

Now, does that answer your troll question?

Alan, your buddy, Argentino, is trolling a thread he agreed to stay out of. What's your opinion of that?

I think you're the troll and I am sure Dan will allow Rob's posting here since the discussion is about him.

I also think you mickeycrimm are worse with your insults than Rob and your only purpose now is to cause agitation. You've been talking about others being banned but it's you who should be banned.

Rob is always the instigator. Rob has been trolling me for years. His very first post back here he trolled me and others. He can't snap out of it. I don't take that shit lying down. If he wants a troll fest he's got it. And you should be banned along with Rob.

[AxelWolf]

FYI I'm out and about as we speak. I'm willing to meet up now and figure this out. If you are online feel free to contact me
You have my number. If you don't have it at this time for whatever reason (new cell phone) PM me and I'll respond.

Its almost 4 am so I think I will hang it up for the day.

[mickeycrimm]

Rob he confirmed your strategy. You said you had an 85% win rate and his math shows being ahead 82% of the time. Done.

Not done. Being ahead does not compute to being $2500 or more ahead.

[redietz]

Rob he confirmed your strategy. You said you had an 85% win rate and his math shows being ahead 82% of the time. Done.

Not done. Being ahead does not compute to being $2500 or more ahead.

Just a slight error. Nothing major -- LOL.

Jesus, that was bad. And some people give gambling advice. Yowza. I'd say stick to proofreading advice, but that seems to be part of the issue.

[blackhole]

I took a look at that WON thread at WOV. It appears BBB around pg. 51-52, got carried away with herself, and came to the protection of her hustling AP’s. She made a big to do about exposing plays on the site and how she was going to prevent that from happening.

A couple of members appeared to grow some balls and challenged her like Drawing Dead did on pg.52. Then on pg. 54 she reappears and tries to explain her view and how she over reacted. So, now she says discussing AP moves is ok, but exposing a play for revenge is still not acceptable. Meanwhile not a single syllable from meatball Mike or the illegal banking transaction off shore casino promoters and owners of that cesspool.

Also, notice the always full of gambling information guru RS makes an appearance in that thread and reminds the complainers how all the other sites like VCT are shitholes. Another words stop complaining and except what it really is, a Hustling AP site.

Quick question for Monet if he knows. Axelwolf in that same thread mentioned Quote “Jamming machines would get techs to open machines and some machines will show you the machines hold.” When you open the slot door is their a poster hanging there with the hold on it? I always thought that was privileged information, and the hold is incorporated in the chip. Do you know any facts about that claim?

[tableplay]

Rob he confirmed your strategy. You said you had an 85% win rate and his math shows being ahead 82% of the time.

Done.

Yes, "Done" is the keyword here. If you make your $105 from $100 (or 105 units from 100 units) and never play again. If you keep playing, whether a day later or 20 years later, then your probability of ruin (losing your entire bankroll) is 100% for standard 8/5 bonus poker and perfect discarding strategy because the payout is less than 100% (99.17%). Now with a players club card and playing on multiplier days or using 8/5 bp to grind through free play, there is nothing wrong with continued play.

Of course I'm interested to see how Rob responds to this. But if I have an 82% chance of winning 5% of my money on day 1 wouldn't I still have an 82% chance of winning $5 on day two?

Day 1 and Day 2 are nothing but constructs:They're a single session where the last deal/draw button press of Day 1 is 24 hours before the 1st deal draw button press of Day 2. The difference in time between the remaining contiguous deal/draw button presses is a couple seconds depending on how fast a player you are. So you have a single session composed of Day 1 and Day 2 where a particular twosome of contiguous deal/draw presses occur 24 hours apart and the other contiguous twosomes occur a couple seconds apart. The same applies to Day 1,Day 2,Day3 Ad Infinitum. As long as you play 8/5 bp (say 99.17%) all sessions are aggregated into one. You have an 82% chance of being ahead by 5% at some point in this lifelong session - the longer your session is, the more likely your lifetime bankroll is to eventually hit zero since the game has a payback of less than 100% (99.17%). No matter how many "days" you break your lifelong session into, it is still one long continuous session. So play 8/5 99.17% for fun or if you play for making money, get your players club out and go only on multiplier days or when you want to convert your free play to cash with a decent conversion rate (or when you have a vp-eligible mailer).

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob he confirmed your strategy. You said you had an 85% win rate and his math shows being ahead 82% of the time. Done.

Not done. Being ahead does not compute to being $2500 or more ahead.

Just a slight error. Nothing major -- LOL.

Jesus, that was bad. And some people give gambling advice. Yowza. I'd say stick to proofreading advice, but that seems to be part of the issue.

I know you play 25 cent video poker, redietz and I think it's deuces wild you play. But consider this: a full house at $25 per coin 8/5 Bonus Poker pays $1,000. And any quad at $25 Bonus pays more than $3,000.

You see... it doesn't take much to win $2500 at those levels. It's just that you've never been there to see it.

[Prozema]

Quick question for Monet if he knows. Axelwolf in that same thread mentioned Quote “Jamming machines would get techs to open machines and some machines will show you the machines hold.” When you open the slot door is their a poster hanging there with the hold on it? I always thought that was privileged information, and the hold is incorporated in the chip. Do you know any facts about that claim?

Hope you don't mind me answering instead of Monet... You'd see it on a screen that looks something like this.

http://imgur.com/22zqxQ7

[blackhole]

Quick question for Monet if he knows. Axelwolf in that same thread mentioned Quote “Jamming machines would get techs to open machines and some machines will show you the machines hold.” When you open the slot door is their a poster hanging there with the hold on it? I always thought that was privileged information, and the hold is incorporated in the chip. Do you know any facts about that claim?

Hope you don't mind me answering instead of Monet... You'd see it on a screen that looks something like this.

http://imgur.com/22zqxQ7

I'm certain any slot attendant don't have that type of access. Don't that information require one person from the NGC with a key and another key from the casino to be able to view it?

[redietz]

Not done. Being ahead does not compute to being $2500 or more ahead.

Just a slight error. Nothing major -- LOL.

Jesus, that was bad. And some people give gambling advice. Yowza. I'd say stick to proofreading advice, but that seems to be part of the issue.

I know you play 25 cent video poker, redietz and I think it's deuces wild you play. But consider this: a full house at $25 per coin 8/5 Bonus Poker pays $1,000. And any quad at $25 Bonus pays more than $3,000.

You see... it doesn't take much to win $2500 at those levels. It's just that you've never been there to see it.

I formally apologize that my playing 25-cent video poker is the reason for any math or reading errors by other people. I will endeavor to help folks out by moving down to nickel vp on occasion.

[Prozema]

Quick question for Monet if he knows. Axelwolf in that same thread mentioned Quote “Jamming machines would get techs to open machines and some machines will show you the machines hold.” When you open the slot door is their a poster hanging there with the hold on it? I always thought that was privileged information, and the hold is incorporated in the chip. Do you know any facts about that claim?

Hope you don't mind me answering instead of Monet... You'd see it on a screen that looks something like this.

http://imgur.com/22zqxQ7

I'm certain any slot attendant don't have that type of access. Don't that information require one person from the NGC with a key and another key from the casino to be able to view it?

I have no idea how it works in Nevada. Sorry.