The WoV Thread

[redietz]

Redietz I was all excited to read that T-MOBILE told you that text messages could be retrieved after being deleted because I'm a T-Mobile customer and I accidentally deleted a text message with my key to a gambling account that was holding $31-million of positive EV.

So this morning I called T-Mobile and unfortunately not everyone can retrieve their deleted text messages. T-Mobile says there is no program for my Samsung Avant and it's really a case by case basis if text messages can be recovered. In my case I struck out.

I don't know if Rob has a phone that can recover lost texts

While I wish I could recover all that +EV I have stashed in that account without a key, I did learn a lesson. Now I have the key to my Bitcoin account on a post-it on my refrigerator.

You can mock all you like Mr. Mendelson. All it does is continue to show your ignorance on the subject matter.

I'm not sure how to phrase this, but I halfway believe Mr. Mendelson would pass a polygraph regarding whether he saw 18 yo's. I'm almost 100% sure, however, that he would not pass a polygraph regarding whether he believes Argentino received text messages from me.

So Mr. Mendelson, do you really believe Argentino received text messages from me? Let's get you on record.

[LarryS]

Redietz I was all excited to read that T-MOBILE told you that text messages could be retrieved after being deleted because I'm a T-Mobile customer and I accidentally deleted a text message with my key to a gambling account that was holding $31-million of positive EV.

So this morning I called T-Mobile and unfortunately not everyone can retrieve their deleted text messages. T-Mobile says there is no program for my Samsung Avant and it's really a case by case basis if text messages can be recovered. In my case I struck out.

I don't know if Rob has a phone that can recover lost texts

While I wish I could recover all that +EV I have stashed in that account without a key, I did learn a lesson. Now I have the key to my Bitcoin account on a post-it on my refrigerator.

Watch that +ev........I am currently being audited by the IRS for under reporting it. It seems its easier to hide 750k in casino wins..than to hide a few thousand EV dollars/

[Prozema]

I can't understand why Singer would need a phone to recover deleted text messages if he already has the power to defy math. Spoiler alert... Singer is the savior in Avengers 4.

[AxelWolf]

redietz, I just wish you would stop sending me dick pic's

[kewlJ]

Watch that +ev........I am currently being audited by the IRS for under reporting it. It seems its easier to hide 750k in casino wins..than to hide a few thousand EV dollars/

So here's the thing. I have made better than 1.15 million dollars from the casinos in my 14 year, 3 month career as an Advantage player. $930,000 of that from blackjack, which is what we are talking about, blackjack and blackjack expected value (EV). Not get rich money by any means, but a decent profit.

So LarryS and Alan....care to post your casino earnings? You can estimate. Alan has posted that he never had a winning year...so what are you down Alan....hundreds of thousands? A million dollars? How about you LarryS?

So I guess the question is....as it always is...which of us knows what the fuck they are talking about and which of us are just showing our ignorance on a subject they obviously don't know that much about?

[redietz]

redietz, I just wish you would stop sending me dick pic's

The top hat gave me away, eh?

(I watched an episode of The King of Queens yesterday that addressed this issue)

[monet]

During its long history, Jerusalem has been attacked 52 times, captured and recaptured 44 times, besieged 23 times, and destroyed twice. The oldest part of the city was settled in the 4th millennium BC, making Jerusalem one of the oldest cities in the world.

With just this little bit of a history lesson you Jews have many more nations and races to hate besides the Nazis of Germany. Keep making that Mendlebread because the world obviously loves it so much they keep attacking your nation.

Notice the real War and Destruction took place after you crucified Jesus.

When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.


Dumb Jews not only Killing all the Prophets but they decide to go and Kill Jesus as well. Many times they tried to Kill Moses as well during the 40 years but they couldn't get away with that murder.

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Q: Whats the difference between a Jew and a Canoe?

A: A canoe tips

[LarryS]

During its long history, Jerusalem has been attacked 52 times, captured and recaptured 44 times, besieged 23 times, and destroyed twice. The oldest part of the city was settled in the 4th millennium BC, making Jerusalem one of the oldest cities in the world.

With just this little bit of a history lesson you Jews have many more nations and races to hate besides the Nazis of Germany. Keep making that Mendlebread because the world obviously loves it so much they keep attacking your nation.

Notice the real War and Destruction took place after you crucified Jesus.

When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.


Dumb Jews not only Killing all the Prophets but they decide to go and Kill Jesus as well. Many times they tried to Kill Moses as well during the 40 years but they couldn't get away with that murder.

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Q: Whats the difference between a Jew and a Canoe?

A: A canoe tips

I am amazed at the non jewish people who pray to a jewish god. Cant they find one of their own. Especially the antisemites. Imagine hating jews and yet being required to accept a jew as their lord and savior. If you want to know how that must fuck up a mind.....just read the rants of monet the new james bond

[kewlJ]

So, I just caught up a bit reading WoV. A couple thoughts.

It just is not a good sign that Nathan's thread, Nathan's little corner of WoV is the most popular thread on the forum for quite a while now. No offense to Nathan/Karen/Tasha, but that really shows just how far WoV has fallen from what it was and was supposed to be.

Kudos for Mike for reaching out to ZenKing. Mike told Zenking to call him and they would have lunch. Zenking has some issues, both involving AP - blackjack card counting involving his seemingly inability to deal with common variance, as well, as his inability to handle any kind of loss. And he has some issues accepting just how some things in life, like credit work.

In his late 20's he should have figured some of these things out, but he hasn't. And he is out on his own for the first time and far away from home. I think he could really benefit from a mentor situation, both regarding AP and other areas. I had hoped that Axel or one of the other guys were going to fulfill some of that role, but things fizzled after a meetup or two.

I have considered taking on that responsibility myself several times over the last year, but each time I have considered it, I have really had a full plate with some of my own personal situations and am still not in a place where I can take that on. So I understand that Axel and the others may also just not be in a position to offer much. I just was hoping someone would. Maybe Mike's meetup will lead to some of that mentoring assistance, that Zenking so desperately needs. I'd like to see Zenking figure some things out and have some success. He really is very passionate about BJ AP.

[MisterV]

Zen King is an attention whore, pure and simple.

You two would get along like two peas in a pod.

[MaxPen]

ZenKing already knows it all. Where have you been?

[Deech]

Redietz I was all excited to read that T-MOBILE told you that text messages could be retrieved after being deleted because I'm a T-Mobile customer and I accidentally deleted a text message with my key to a gambling account that was holding $31-million of positive EV.

So this morning I called T-Mobile and unfortunately not everyone can retrieve their deleted text messages. T-Mobile says there is no program for my Samsung Avant and it's really a case by case basis if text messages can be recovered. In my case I struck out.

I don't know if Rob has a phone that can recover lost texts

While I wish I could recover all that +EV I have stashed in that account without a key, I did learn a lesson. Now I have the key to my Bitcoin account on a post-it on my refrigerator.

You can mock all you like Mr. Mendelson. All it does is continue to show your ignorance on the subject matter.

I'm not sure how to phrase this, but I halfway believe Mr. Mendelson would pass a polygraph regarding whether he saw 18 yo's. I'm almost 100% sure, however, that he would not pass a polygraph regarding whether he believes Argentino received text messages from me.

So Mr. Mendelson, do you really believe Argentino received text messages from me? Let's get you on record.

The other night I asked the same questions. Making accusations is a point of life, but in society, having proof of the accusations is necessary. What should bother many individuals is when a secondary member provides blockage for the original striker, yet the original striker does not acknowledge and defend the original complaint.

Since I am not technically trolling, I can mention that I have my long raincoat on and have a have lit cigar in my mouth.

Jeez, this issue can end quickly with simple evidence of sports selling.

[kewlJ]

ZenKing already knows it all. Where have you been?

Yes, I have read all ZK's WoV posts AND I have read all his posts (very similar) at a blackjack site (blackjackinfo) that we both participate at as well a a blackjack site that we both used to participate at and are now both banned. In addition, I periodically communicate privately with him.

I believe the most bizarre of his posts are made in the 'heat of the moment', immediately after a big loss or swing or incident, while he is all riled up. And when he is in that 'heat of the moment' frame of mind, he is not very accepting of answers or advice and often he even lashes out at those offering him advice. But I see evidence that as a little time passes and he calms down, he considers and appreciates the advice given. I don't think he can easily acknowledge that though and that's kind of a shame. He likely would have more people wanting to help him if he had a different attitude, including the polar opposite "I am the greatest and know it all" when things go good. So in that sense, he is his own worst enemy.

He does have quite a bit of BJ knowledge and understanding, even things he fights. And he has an adequate BR to do what he is trying to do. Many players are missing one or both those things. ZK's downfall is currently he is unable to mentally handle the normal variance. And related that he goes into these odd conspiracy theories, when he does lose. I don't honestly know if that mentality can be changed or not. If it can't he simply cannot be a BJ AP as he desires.

I will say some of his thoughts that are a bit conspiracy, I agree with. Like that the casino industry should not be employing the short cut of pre-shuffled cards. The procedure of showing and washing cards was put in place for a reason, to show transparency in guaranteeing the players are getting a fair game. This is not a short cut that should be accepted by industry or players.

In addition, I have had my own issue with a ASM that I have discussed a couple times, so I am not going to do so again right now. But it occurred over a years time at a casino, you are very familiar with on boulder highway (prior to new ownership in the last year). i am not going to go as far as his conspiracy theories based on insignificant sample size of results, but my concerns were enough that I stopped playing BJ at this store several years ago.

So I don't have a problem with him raising concerns, but some of the conclusions he has jumped to without enough evidence to do so, are a little odd. I honestly don't know if he is cut out for what he is attempting, but at this point, I think a mentor might be of great assistance to him.

[redietz]

You can mock all you like Mr. Mendelson. All it does is continue to show your ignorance on the subject matter.

I'm not sure how to phrase this, but I halfway believe Mr. Mendelson would pass a polygraph regarding whether he saw 18 yo's. I'm almost 100% sure, however, that he would not pass a polygraph regarding whether he believes Argentino received text messages from me.

So Mr. Mendelson, do you really believe Argentino received text messages from me? Let's get you on record.

The other night I asked the same questions. Making accusations is a point of life, but in society, having proof of the accusations is necessary. What should bother many individuals is when a secondary member provides blockage for the original striker, yet the original striker does not acknowledge and defend the original complaint.

Since I am not technically trolling, I can mention that I have my long raincoat on and have a have lit cigar in my mouth.

Jeez, this issue can end quickly with simple evidence of sports selling.

Many people know that "Machete don't text." Fewer people know that "Columbo don't troll."

[MisterV]

Many man swalllow

But fu man chu

[Alan Mendelson]

Redietz I was all excited to read that T-MOBILE told you that text messages could be retrieved after being deleted because I'm a T-Mobile customer and I accidentally deleted a text message with my key to a gambling account that was holding $31-million of positive EV.

So this morning I called T-Mobile and unfortunately not everyone can retrieve their deleted text messages. T-Mobile says there is no program for my Samsung Avant and it's really a case by case basis if text messages can be recovered. In my case I struck out.

I don't know if Rob has a phone that can recover lost texts

While I wish I could recover all that +EV I have stashed in that account without a key, I did learn a lesson. Now I have the key to my Bitcoin account on a post-it on my refrigerator.

You can mock all you like Mr. Mendelson. All it does is continue to show your ignorance on the subject matter.

I'm not sure how to phrase this, but I halfway believe Mr. Mendelson would pass a polygraph regarding whether he saw 18 yo's. I'm almost 100% sure, however, that he would not pass a polygraph regarding whether he believes Argentino received text messages from me.

So Mr. Mendelson, do you really believe Argentino received text messages from me? Let's get you on record.

Mr Dietz I don't care if Mr Singer received a text message from you or not. I know that this is the biggest issue in your life but I guarantee you that Rob Singer is laughing his ass off that you have spent so much time trying to prove he made the whole thing up.

Did he make the whole thing up? Flip a coin. That seems to be the popular answer among APs here.

If Rob made the whole thing up it just fits what this forum has become: grown men (and maybe women) arguing over what happened in another forum and who is Nathan and slot plays in Montana... which has what to do with Las Vegas?

Flip a coin. Heads Rob Singer made the whole thing up. Tails he just wanted to cause you trouble. Either way he won and you've been obsessed and he has been enjoying life without even looking at the forum.

Just to be clear: I don't care and it would be IMPOSSIBLE for me to know. So why do you ask me?

Why did you put me in your thousand dollars challenge to Rob? Why get me involved? It's just more evidence of your obsession with proving yourself right.

Okay redietz let me tell you what you NEED to hear: you are RIGHT. Now take a break from the forum and enjoy your life. There is more to life than trying to prove anything on an Internet forum. Get away from your keyboard. It's a great world one foot away from the screen you are looking at.

Kewlj sorry. It was just a joke. Smile if you can. The world is not conspiring against you.

Oh, redietz. T-Mobile really did say that recovering deleted texts varies with the phone you have. I can't recover anything. It's too bad really. I lost the number of a great gal I once met OUTSIDE of a casino.

[mickeycrimm]

Mr Dietz I don't care if Mr Singer received a text message from you or not. I know that this is the biggest issue in your life but I guarantee you that Rob Singer is laughing his ass off that you have spent so much time trying to prove he made the whole thing up.

Did he make the whole thing up? Flip a coin. That seems to be the popular answer among APs here.

If Rob made the whole thing up it just fits what this forum has become: grown men (and maybe women) arguing over what happened in another forum and who is Nathan and slot plays in Montana... which has what to do with Las Vegas?

Flip a coin. Heads Rob Singer made the whole thing up. Tails he just wanted to cause you trouble. Either way he won and you've been obsessed and he has been enjoying life without even looking at the forum.

Just to be clear: I don't care and it would be IMPOSSIBLE for me to know. So why do you ask me?

Why did you put me in your thousand dollars challenge to Rob? Why get me involved? It's just more evidence of your obsession with proving yourself right.

Okay redietz let me tell you what you NEED to hear: you are RIGHT. Now take a break from the forum and enjoy your life. There is more to life than trying to prove anything on an Internet forum. Get away from your keyboard. It's a great world one foot away from the screen you are looking at.

Kewlj sorry. It was just a joke. Smile if you can. The world is not conspiring against you.

Oh, redietz. T-Mobile really did say that recovering deleted texts varies with the phone you have. I can't recover anything. It's too bad really. I lost the number of a great gal I once met OUTSIDE of a casino.

Rob is also laughing his ass off at your continuous shilling for him. He plays you like a top, sucker.

[AxelWolf]

double post

[AxelWolf]

So, I just caught up a bit reading WoV. A couple thoughts.

It just is not a good sign that Nathan's thread, Nathan's little corner of WoV is the most popular thread on the forum for quite a while now. No offense to Nathan/Karen/Tasha, but that really shows just how far WoV has fallen from what it was and was supposed to be.

Kudos for Mike for reaching out to ZenKing. Mike told Zenking to call him and they would have lunch. Zenking has some issues, both involving AP - blackjack card counting involving his seemingly inability to deal with common variance, as well, as his inability to handle any kind of loss. And he has some issues accepting just how some things in life, like credit work.

In his late 20's he should have figured some of these things out, but he hasn't. And he is out on his own for the first time and far away from home. I think he could really benefit from a mentor situation, both regarding AP and other areas. I had hoped that Axel or one of the other guys were going to fulfill some of that role, but things fizzled after a meetup or two.

I have considered taking on that responsibility myself several times over the last year, but each time I have considered it, I have really had a full plate with some of my own personal situations and am still not in a place where I can take that on. So I understand that Axel and the others may also just not be in a position to offer much. I just was hoping someone would. Maybe Mike's meetup will lead to some of that mentoring assistance, that Zenking so desperately needs. I'd like to see Zenking figure some things out and have some success. He really is very passionate about BJ AP.

I don't think ZK is as Crazy and he lets on. I think the guy is super smart and capable of learning and easily applying any AP tactics he wanted to. If I had to guess I would think he is too focused on the roadblocks and negative stuff. I think his brain is working overtime and he can't just chill out.

I have talked to ZK quite a few times. Most of the time he just didn't seem all that eager to learn new things. It's like... yes, no, kinda maybe, I'm starting a business, I'm going to do this or that.

I even showed him some various bonus slots he could supplement his income with while going to and from Blackjack. He never really followed up, there's lots of free information out there about this stuff as well, he's smart enough to research it.

No one is going to spoon feed anyone this stuff. He has been invited to and came to various dinners, celebrations Superbowl party, poker and even my wedding. He's met many of the people I work with on a number of occasions. If he wanted to get into some other stuff he would be calling regularly asking if we have anything and making a significant effort.

Also, he would stop with all the BS posts. People don't want to risk their plays and money with someone who acts crazy. There are all kinds of ways plays can get fucked up no one wants to add unknown crazy shit.

For the most part, if you want to work with others while learning new AP stuff, you have to prove your self slowly in this business. I'm not just going to thrust him on others or push him to learn.

No, I haven't given up on him, and when he is ready, I am open to the idea as long as others I work with are comfortable with the situation. If something interesting comes up and I think everyone can benefit, I will give him a ring. And he is always welcome to hang out with me/us and just to chill or whatever.

He has always been respectful and mostly a cool guy in person.

He knows my number and he knows how to use PM's.

[kewlJ]

Good stuff Axel. I wasn't aware of the extent you have been in touch with him. Glad to hear it as well as that your door is open if/when he is ready.

I do think one of his problems is he is limiting himself to blackjack. I get that. I am a blackjack guy, and am heading back in the direction of exclusively blackjack. That is where my heart is. But when some other opportunities came about I took advantage. To not do so, at this time when he is still in the early stages is just throwing away money and opportunity, neither of which he can afford. Hell, it's just time, and as a single guy, setting his own work schedule, he should have plenty.

I guess I am just sort of pulling for him. In a some ways he reminds me of myself 10-12 years ago. Hoping he figures some things out and makes it.