What's my edge in craps?

[monet]

Thanks kewlj. I took your suggestion and deleted my comments as well.

You know I am not the least bit surprised Alan. That is just another act of a dishonest person. You seem to re-affirm that is who you are almost everyday.

Not to mention it shows a total lack of respect for Dan Druff and his site as it leaves big gaps in the discussion.

It's funny you would say that I have a lack of respect for Dan because I criticized Dan for letting certain posters make anti Gay comments as well as anti Jewish comments. The anti Gay comments were not directed at me you Bozo.

I think the anti homosexual comments were directed at you. The anti Jewish comments aren't directed at you but if someone called you a Meiser it is funny because it actually has both meanings. I think they call you a shyster which is funny because it can be derogatory towards Jewish People or Lawyers. Mrs V isn't a real Lawyer but he could be a Shyster.

[Half Smoke]

You have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

HONOR THY FATHER



5th Commandment of the Ten Commandments



it doesn't say Honor Thy Father unless he messes up










I will have no other comment after this post. I don't really care who criticizes it or who bashes me. I stand by it.

[mickeycrimm]

If alan is feeding his pension money into the business he couldn't personally be in that bad of shape financially. It looks to me like revenue fell way off. Should he have to pay his son out of his pension? Does Alan really need the business? It looks to me like a renegotiation or just shut the business down, live off SS and pension, and hang out in the casinos everyday like so many retirees do.

[redietz]

I disagree with the folks that tell Alan to stop gambling because of what his son said.
Now I didnt get to read that stuff....but since when is a job salary also an entitlement?
is there a verbalor written contract that Alan is breaking Jobs in the real work can end in the blink of an eye."at will" ..and people can leave their jobs " at will".
So what is the big deal. A young adult needs to find income on his own? Cry me a river. Did i miss something..is he hanicapped? Or is he able bodied and can go off on his own and earn a living.

If his dad wants to piss away his money....that not any of his business...as long as he can afford to do so. When I was a kid i got an "alllowance" for doing minor chores but there came a time when it stopped and I never complained that my dad needed to keep it up...as happens with most able bodied children.

if alan is guilty of anything its not making his boy stand on his own 2 feet earlier....and cut off the excessive by for the small amount of work. It seems his son has an expectation that the payday would never end

You have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

LOL -- "Opinion proclamations" comprise the bulk of Larry's posts. The less data he has, the more he works to provide a comprehensive opinion covering what he doesn't know. It's known, in the business, as the LarryS Law of Inverse Knowledge: the less you know, the more you should say about it.

Actually, it enhances LarryS's standing as a gambling expert. He rarely has much to say about gambling or Las Vegas, so he must know a boatload.

[monet]

I disagree with the folks that tell Alan to stop gambling because of what his son said.
Now I didnt get to read that stuff....but since when is a job salary also an entitlement?
is there a verbalor written contract that Alan is breaking Jobs in the real work can end in the blink of an eye."at will" ..and people can leave their jobs " at will".
So what is the big deal. A young adult needs to find income on his own? Cry me a river. Did i miss something..is he hanicapped? Or is he able bodied and can go off on his own and earn a living.

If his dad wants to piss away his money....that not any of his business...as long as he can afford to do so. When I was a kid i got an "alllowance" for doing minor chores but there came a time when it stopped and I never complained that my dad needed to keep it up...as happens with most able bodied children.

if alan is guilty of anything its not making his boy stand on his own 2 feet earlier....and cut off the excessive by for the small amount of work. It seems his son has an expectation that the payday would never end

You have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

LOL -- "Opinion proclamations" comprise the bulk of Larry's posts. The less data he has, the more he works to provide a comprehensive opinion covering what he doesn't know. It's known, in the business, as the LarryS Law of Inverse Knowledge: the less you know, the more you should say about it.

Actually, it enhances LarryS's standing as a gambling expert. He rarely has much to say about gambling or Las Vegas, so he must know a boatload.

LOL

The LarryS Law of Inverse Knowledge: the less you know, the more you should say about it.

Well said

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These Forums continue to boggle/entertain me. People getting a new Kidney and Pancreas to avoid Death. These People on these Forums claim no God exists but will do anything to avoid Hell's Fire for another 10 years or so. Gamblers who look at Porn and Smoke Weed telling others how to live by the 10 Commandments. Citizens living the Easy Life but crying all day long how they don't agree with whoever is running the Country like their opinion actually matter. Homosexuals who talk to God but it must not be Jesus, Yahweh or Allah because those Gods will have nothing to do with that type of lifestyle. However if you research it, you have about 52 other Gods that do condone Homosexual Behavior. People claiming to be Jewish but no nothing about Judaism nor go to a Synagogue and live a more Gentile or Philistine life compared to the Gentiles or Philistines.

[redietz]

Thanks kewlj. I took your suggestion and deleted my comments as well.

You know I am not the least bit surprised Alan. That is just another act of a dishonest person. You seem to re-affirm that is who you are almost everyday.

Not to mention it shows a total lack of respect for Dan Druff and his site as it leaves big gaps in the discussion.

I've never deleted any post. And I've made some idiotic ones. I agree with kewlJ on this.

I did not read every Slap post at the time, having other stuff to do, and I'm sorry I did not. They were important for framing many discussions on this forum. If people arguing for stop losses, win goals, and other voodoo wind up owing markers for video poker and driving RVs cross-country while avoiding Las Vegas, that suggests much regarding the efficacy of their recommendations.

More important, erasing posts is a big clue that they don't want to handle reality and its consequences. I would submit that if you actively try to erase what's been said on a screen, you probably also do a lot of erasing of reality in your mind.

People who win gambling embrace reality. You can't edit your memory or your reportage of events because it makes you more comfortable. You're cheating yourself of the real and its lessons.

[redietz]

Thanks kewlj. I took your suggestion and deleted my comments as well.

You should delete all your comments that say I'm anti AP because they're just not true.

I'm not anti AP but I am anti unsubstantiated claims such as plays worth $500 an hour or counting two tables. Of course you clarified what counting two tables really means so there is nothing to discuss any further.

I'm also not anti YOU. Though I must admit you seem to have a lot of enemies and I can understand how you might list a lot of people as anti YOU.

The discussion about your EV-whatever was not anti YOU either. I just didn't understand how you could change the definition of EXPECTED Value after the play was made. But now that I understand that you did alter the definition that discussion is over as well.

So I can't think of anything else that might make me anti YOU and I certainly can't be anti AP when I myself attempt to have an advantage at craps and I have even played 100%+ VP at Red Rock even if it was just at the 25 cents level.

So please delete those anti YOU and anti AP comments because they're just not true.

This would be ridiculous. Whether someone is anti-AP is up to the people reading to decide, not the author post hoc. Mr. Mendelson ran out in the middle of the night to debunk counting two tables. In a decade, Mr. Mendelson never consulted (or never reported consulting) math professionals regarding the effects of win goals, stop losses, and Argentino's voodoo. The latter didn't require any more energy than photographing tables in the middle of the night. So yes, that's anti-AP. It's not only anti-AP, it's pro-voodoo. It's irresponsible.

Editing out the reality of this blowup, while reputationally convenient, warps the debate about how to properly gamble.

[Alan Mendelson]

Sorry redietz but for the umteenth time Rob was very upfront that his special plays were at a mathematical disadvantagr, so no consultation with any math expert was needed.

And I believe in stop losses and rising win goals and you're not going to convince me otherwise until you show me a +EV machine that spits out money like an ATM.

I doubt you even know what a rising win goal is (also known as a rising stop loss) because if you did you would never object to it.

[RS__]

Sorry redietz but for the umteenth time Rob was very upfront that his special plays were at a mathematical disadvantagr, so no consultation with any math expert was needed.

And I believe in stop losses and rising win goals and you're not going to convince me otherwise until you show me a +EV machine that spits out money like an ATM.

I doubt you even know what a rising win goal is (also known as a rising stop loss) because if you did you would never object to it.

If you have an advantage and you come up with some artificial reason to quit, then you’d be legitimately retarded.

The logic works quite easily — would you ever quit if you were guaranteed to win $5 every spin? Unless you’re retarded, the answer should be “no”. Would you quit if you were guaranteed to win $1 every spin? What about $0.50 a spin? Again, if you’re not retarded, the answer should still be “no”.

Now what if you weren’t guaranteed $0.50 a spin, but rather, half the time you win $2 and half the time you lose $1? It’s still worth $0.50/spin, but it’s not guaranteed. Unless you’re retarded and/or have an incredibly tiny bankroll (like less than $20 probably), your answer to whether or not you’d ever quit should be a “no”.

Continue on with the logic and you’ll end up in the situation where APs play.



Of course, this is all kind of well known since, for the most part, APs aren’t retarded. I know some (somehow) who aren’t too bright and think stop losses or win goals are good, as if hitting a RF at the beginning of a session is going to make them lose going forward or something stupid. But that’s not the norm.

On the other hand, we have someone here (Alan), who it appears isn’t the greatest gambler. He hasn’t had a winning year (self proclaimed) even though he’s hit a few $100k royals AND has an advantage (his words) at craps....yet still can’t win. Is he cooking the books to get out of paying taxes on his winnings? Is he not smart enough how to make money with a supposed advantage? Or maybe, just maybe, he should let those who know what they’re talking about to talk. When the discussion comes up about reporting, we’ll let him tell us how it’s done, since he’s an expert in that — actually, in lieu of some recent posts, maybe he sucks shit at that, too.

[MisterV]

LarryS., you missed yesterday's super bizarre episode of "Family Feud" featuring the Mendelsons.

As both participants have wisely deleted their posts you will not be able to view the carnage for yourself: I'll summarize.

Alan's son Jason claims Alan owes him a shit load of money and won't pay him; says he was promised $1000 per week to help do editing for alansbestbuys.

Alan says he's sorry, he can't pay what he promised as the business is doing very poorly; he admits he lied to his son about the viability and health of the business: he didn't want his son to know it is failing.

The thread veered into the Twilight Zone when Jason started berating his sire for his gambling activities / addiction.

Lots of emotion, angst, shame, followed by a "kiss and make up" then a mutual deleting of their respective posts.

'Twas a tragi-comical view through the glory hole in the Mendelson household.

For me, the takeaway is this: If you are full of shit don't be surprised if people tell you that you stink.

[redietz]

Some of this stuff is just goddamn silly. As if there haven't been a thousand, nay 10,000 people, misapplying a little jargon and a few concepts from the stock market to gambling, and then explaining why they have to be appropriate and they assuredly work. And the kicker? They do it with a little bit of a condescending tone, because god knows, they own stocks. LOL. It's just so...I'm trying to come up with something besides RS's "retarded." Maybe we need new words for the 1%ers who think they know everything. "Hubristards?" How about hubristards? You know, their golden halos are stuck so firmly on their skulls that the blood flow to the cerebral cortex is cut off....

[LarryS]

LarryS., you missed yesterday's super bizarre episode of "Family Feud" featuring the Mendelsons.

As both participants have wisely deleted their posts you will not be able to view the carnage for yourself: I'll summarize.

Alan's son Jason claims Alan owes him a shit load of money and won't pay him; says he was promised $1000 per week to help do editing for alansbestbuys.

Alan says he's sorry, he can't pay what he promised as the business is doing very poorly; he admits he lied to his son about the viability and health of the business: he didn't want his son to know it is failing.

The thread veered into the Twilight Zone when Jason started berating his sire for his gambling activities / addiction.

Lots of emotion, angst, shame, followed by a "kiss and make up" then a mutual deleting of their respective posts.

'Twas a tragi-comical view through the glory hole in the Mendelson household.

For me, the takeaway is this: If you are full of shit don't be surprised if people tell you that you stink.

maybehe went to the john patrick school of business book keeping where there is a blurred line between business funds and gambling funds..leading to a failed business.

And then there is a life lesson.....if you lend someone money and they dont pay, and then you lendf someone money and they still dont pay, and then you lend someone more money and they still dont pay.......you have to blame yourself at some point. You needed to mitigate your damages.
And the same goes for services for which you dont get paid.

you enter into a business agreement with a gambling addict who claims he never had a winning year.....so a perpetual gambling loser....and then you cry that you didnt get money. ....really??

surprise surprise surprise.......you are indeed the modern day Gomer Pyle

[kewlJ]

If alan is feeding his pension money into the business he couldn't personally be in that bad of shape financially. It looks to me like revenue fell way off. Should he have to pay his son out of his pension? Does Alan really need the business? It looks to me like a renegotiation or just shut the business down, live off SS and pension, and hang out in the casinos everyday like so many retirees do.

Both in the last year, since I encountered Alan and particularly in the last 36 hours, I too have wondered why Alan is still "fighting" to keep his business open. Actually, I thought it closed last fall at the end of the redietz package discussion....that's what Alan told us. I guess that was just a convenient "mis-truth".

By Alan's own admission, this kind of business has become obsolete. Isn't trying to make this kind of business a go, in this day and age, about the same as trying to make a VCR video rental company a go in 2018? "Hey let's run down to BlockBuster and pick up a video"

It is really non of my business, so I am not advising Alan, but geez. Hopefully he has a decent pension from a career as a legit journalist, which ended a while ago and with the modest amount that SS pays, can live at least a somewhat decent retirement.

[regnis]

As I watch old guys retire with nothing to keep them active and then watch them die, maybe Alan just wants to keep busy. People ask me when I am going to retire. I have been semi-retired for so many years I don't know how to answer them. It gets me out of the house and keeps me out of the casinos. But nothing can keep me from the horses.

[MisterV]

I'm sure alan wanted to make a good income from the business, both because "Hell, you can never have TOO MUCH money," and also to prove to the TV network that canned him that he was still relevant, still in the game.

So keeping busy is not the issue here, the issue is to what degree have his casino losses and the time he spent in casinos affected his ability to run his business and to speak truthfully to his son about it?

He says that technology has made his business obsolete, and while that may be true it has no bearing on his bald-faced lying to his son about his failure.

[Alan Mendelson]

I'm sure alan wanted to make a good income from the business, both because "Hell, you can never have TOO MUCH money," and also to prove to the TV network that canned him that he was still relevant, still in the game.

Ironically or maybe not ironically the management team that ousted all of us over-50 year olds lost their jobs years ago.

I'm still doing commercial voiceover work for the CBS radio stations.

[mickeycrimm]

I'm sure alan wanted to make a good income from the business, both because "Hell, you can never have TOO MUCH money," and also to prove to the TV network that canned him that he was still relevant, still in the game.

Ironically or maybe not ironically the management team that ousted all of us over-50 year olds lost their jobs years ago.

I'm still doing commercial voiceover work for the CBS radio stations.

You do have a voice made for radio and television.

[Alan Mendelson]

Thanks mickeycrimm.

[LarryS]

I'm sure alan wanted to make a good income from the business, both because "Hell, you can never have TOO MUCH money," and also to prove to the TV network that canned him that he was still relevant, still in the game.

So keeping busy is not the issue here, the issue is to what degree have his casino losses and the time he spent in casinos affected his ability to run his business and to speak truthfully to his son about it?

He says that technology has made his business obsolete, and while that may be true it has no bearing on his bald-faced lying to his son about his failure.

THINGS ARE SOOO SOOO SIMILAR

Patrick had ice cream stores and they all went under because of "the economy"

Alan has a business that is failing , not due to his lack of attention to it, or mingling of business funds with gambling funds....nope..as with patrick its external factors that there is no control over.

Didint allan teach his son not to get into business ventures with gamblers....especially gamblers that claim they never have a winning year.

If its true that alan was giving his son a sweetheart deal for just working 2 days a month ...then he just needs to walk away and consider things are even since he was overpaid for a period of time. Lesson learned about getting into bed with losing gamblers....even if they are your father.

But if it wasnt a sweetheart deal and the son earned every penny...then the solution is simple......for a period of time..instead of throwing 200-500 in a craps table...he throws that money in an envelope and mails it to his son. Ever week.

So if the money is really owed, then alan has to decide fif the craps tables take precedence over his financial obligations

And if the sweetheart deal was for real as alan described....then both sides can walk away as things tend to even out in life.

simple

[LarryS]

I'm sure alan wanted to make a good income from the business, both because "Hell, you can never have TOO MUCH money," and also to prove to the TV network that canned him that he was still relevant, still in the game.

So keeping busy is not the issue here, the issue is to what degree have his casino losses and the time he spent in casinos affected his ability to run his business and to speak truthfully to his son about it?

He says that technology has made his business obsolete, and while that may be true it has no bearing on his bald-faced lying to his son about his failure.

THINGS ARE SOOO SOOO SIMILAR

Patrick had ice cream stores and they all went under because of "the economy"

Alan has a business that is failing , not due to his lack of attention to it, or mingling of business funds with gambling funds....nope..as with patrick its external factors that there is no control over.

Didint allan teach his son not to get into business ventures with gamblers....especially gamblers that claim they never have a winning year.

If its true that alan was giving his son a sweetheart deal for just working 2 days a month ...then he just needs to walk away and consider things are even since he was overpaid for a period of time. Lesson learned about getting into bed with losing gamblers....even if they are your father.

But if it wasnt a sweetheart deal and the son earned every penny...then the solution is simple......for a period of time..instead of throwing 200-500 in a craps table...he throws that money in an envelope and mails it to his son. Ever week.

So if the money is really owed, then alan has to decide if the craps tables take precedence over his financial obligations

And if the sweetheart deal was for real as alan described....then both sides can walk away as things tend to even out in life.

simple