The 18 yo's

[jbjb]

He said "dealt" royals.

[MisterV]

alan needs to keep the math in mind when he goes out on a limb and starts to saw it off:

"The odds of 18 yos in a row are 1 in 2.1 sextillion -- and that's if you already have started with 1 yo already rolled. The odds of 18 yos in a row starting from the next roll are 1 in 39 sextillion."

[monet]

He said "dealt" royals.

lol... missed that... sorry bout that.

So from the Jump it is 39 Sextillion to 1 to roll 18 Yos in a row... motherfucker this just gets more and more unbearable!?

[Alan Mendelson]

Would you please return to discussing the 18 yos and why I was lying.

This is the proof that Alan is Whoring up Attention.

He couldn't stand it when the thread derailed into another topic.

Oddly enough he said he wasn't happy that this thread was created and later said he was done with the discussion.

I'm not going to argue but I'll repeat the facts.

One thing I will argue is that every one of you armchair quarterbacks would have done exactly what I did which is not bet on a yo after 2, 5, 9, 14 or 18. So stop saying you would.

You arguing the math tells me you'd never bet it.

[jbjb]

Would you please return to discussing the 18 yos and why I was lying.

This is the proof that Alan is Whoring up Attention.

He couldn't stand it when the thread derailed into another topic.

Oddly enough he said he wasn't happy that this thread was created and later said he was done with the discussion.

I'm not going to argue but I'll repeat the facts.

One thing I will argue is that every one of you armchair quarterbacks would have done exactly what I did which is not bet on a yo after 2, 5, 9, 14 or 18. So stop saying you would.

You arguing the math tells me you'd never bet it.

I'll agree with this. I would've left the table thinking that some sort of cheating was going on.

[LarryS]

Would you please return to discussing the 18 yos and why I was lying.

This is the proof that Alan is Whoring up Attention.

He couldn't stand it when the thread derailed into another topic.

Oddly enough he said he wasn't happy that this thread was created and later said he was done with the discussion.

proof that alan is no different than any attention seeking whore..This is his life. Its actually good to be called a liar if it means the spotlight is on him for a bit longer.

[AxelWolf]

Alan, your son has been on many times since you claimed he hit 5 Royals in one day and still lost. You even said you were going to ask him to come here and prove it with w2g's, yet, you never have. I brought it up a few times since and there was crickets. What gives? My guess is he doesn't want to lie for his deadbeat dad.

p.s. before I go back (you should remember since its your fish story about 18 yo's you claimed it was you and 2 other guy's at the table but now it's 4?

I could be wrong however I'll rely on my memory over yours since I have never miss remembered anything that was millions to 1 let alone sexttrillions to 1.

[Alan Mendelson]

Axel its always been four players including me.

Why don't you message Jason.

[AxelWolf]

Axel its always been four players including me.

Why don't you message Jason.

If I can show in one of your posts on WOV that it has not been four players the entire time will you admit you have been lying the entire time? I really don't know, as I said, I vaguely remember. I thought you said it was TWO other young guys(not sure why focused the two kids and not the 4th person, that 4th person makes your claim even more unlikely). It's your story so you should know 100x better than I.

I might message him, however, he seems like a nice kid who understands AP, math, and odds. It seems to me that he lives in reality. I didn't want to be the one who puts him on the spot having to lie for his father or tell the truth. Why wouldn't you ask him yourself? He is your son. If I had a son that could back up my outrageous claims and they were true, I can't imagine why I wouldn't do so myself.

[LarryS]

"This book is dedicated to the children of gamblers. They were rarely promised anything, because the promise might have been too hard to keep. They may have wanted to play a game with their parent rather than watch a sporting event on which their parent had placed a bet. They were told everything was done so they could have toys and clothes and a nice place to live, but all they wanted was a little more of their parent's time. I apologize to my children, Michael Sebok, Joesph Sebok, Chris Sebok, Christina Tran, Nathaniel Greenstein, and Melissa Greenstein, for when I have failed as a parent." --- Barry Greenstein (dedication to his book "Ace On The River", 2005)


I read this in a book store over 10 years ago when the book came out...and it made me tear up. This is what kids of gamblers go through in alot of cases. So you ask...why doesnt Allan ask his son.........

[Alan Mendelson]

Axel go ahead and find whatever you want on the WOV forum. My story never changed. When you tell the truth there is only one story.

Now, you might find posts where I only discussed the shooter and his friend but I did report that there was a fourth person at the table.

I never lied.

[Mission146]

I'm not going to argue but I'll repeat the facts.

One thing I will argue is that every one of you armchair quarterbacks would have done exactly what I did which is not bet on a yo after 2, 5, 9, 14 or 18. So stop saying you would.

You arguing the math tells me you'd never bet it.

Okay, I'm done being charitable.

I told you SIX YOs. That's how many I have to see in order to figure something is up and start betting the Yo.

Sorry, but at a certain point, I'm a human being, not a robot.

But, if you're going to call me a liar, then I will call you a liar. Other than the reasons already mentioned, you're a liar because:

1.) You would have exchanged numbers with one of the guys who could verify the story. It's like playing golf and hitting a hole in one, only so much less likely. I guess this would be like playing a Par-3 eighteen hole course and hitting something like six holes in one and the rest birdies.

You only get your name in the paper if you have someone willing to say he witnessed the hole in one. I know that because I've had one in my life and my name was in the newspaper as a result.

Anyway, I'd have asked one of the other three guys to exchange numbers so that we could corroborate what we saw. If the dice aren't gaffed, there's nobody who is going to be at that table and not realize that something amazing just happened.

PROOF: I saw a 1 in 600 million shot take place on the WoO Roulette Game, took a screenshot. I got dealt Four Deuces and a Joker on Deuces Wild Joker Poker, took a picture and texted it to at least one person, but I think two.

2.) You started complaining when this thread got just a little bit derailed. I think this has been a troll the entire time, so good job keeping the conversation going.

3.) Here's what I think happened:

I don't know why this tendency amongst a subset of gamblers exists, but it seems that everyone wants to have the best story. It doesn't necessarily have to be the biggest win, it just has to be a really good story.

If you're not going to have a story of the biggest win, which would require you to theoretically have some kind of proof, then you can have a story that sees you witnessing something that is less likely than anything anyone else has ever witnessed. You wanted the story to be untouchable, so you came up with eighteen Yo's in a row.

The problem is that the story is too untouchable because it is close to impossible (but nothing is impossible) for that to happen and the conditions that you describe it happening in made it even less likely.

4.) Finally, don't tell me what I would or wouldn't bet. Playing Craps is -EV, but I've played Craps for fun on a few occasions. If I see six Yo's in a row, the bets are going to start coming out.

5.) Not only did nobody bet the Yo, but now you're telling me there were guys with $15 and $40 in the rack and they didn't bet it? We have the most disciplined Craps players in the Universe at this table, even though they're super low-limit guys, right?

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Anyway, I'm done discussing this. There was never a point that I believed you, but there was a point that I was not willing to call you a liar and argue to the extent that it is mathematically possible. The only reason that I didn't hammer home how unlikely I thought it was (as well as seriously attack the other flaws in your story) is because I thought you were a nice guy. But, now you're saying that I'm a liar because I wouldn't bet the Yo after seeing six in a row, much less eighteen in a row?

Show of hands, let's take a vote! Which is more likely:

1.) Alan Mendelson saw 18 Yo's in a row.

2.) If Mission146 saw 18 Yo's in a row, Mission146 would bet the Yo, at some point.

Your vote for #1 cancels mine for #2, so we'll start 0-0.

[RS__]

You're 143,000 times more likely to get dealt 3 royals in a row than see 18 yos in a row. As in, for every 1 time a player sees 18 yos in a row, there are 143,000 players who get dealt 3 royals in a row.

That is DEALT royals, mind you. Getting a dealt RF is pretty incredible, although it certainly does happen (about 1 in 650k chances). Getting 2 in a row would be absolutely insane. But it's probably happened (I'd think), since there are so many people playing so many hands 24/7. Getting 3 in a row....I don't even know how to describe my thoughts on that. You'd probably die of shock if that happened to you...and if you didn't, you'd get burned at the stake for being a witch. And Alan wants us to believe he witnessed something that is 143,000 times less likely than that?

[Mission146]

RS,

Which do you think is more likely?

1.) Alan Mendelson saw 18 Yo's in a row.

2.) If Mission146 saw 18 Yo's in a row, Mission146 would bet the Yo, at some point.

[monet]

Which do you think is more likely?

1.) Alan Mendelson saw 18 Yo's in a row.

2.) If Mission146 saw 18 Yo's in a row, Mission146 would bet the Yo, at some point.

Mission146 is too good at Trolling and I want him to stop Trolling me so I am going to be the first to vote in his poll.

I vote #2... If Mission146 saw 18 Yo's in a row, Mission146 would bet the Yo, at some point.

[Alan Mendelson]

I didn't start this thread.
I don't care what you think. It doesn't matter.
I have a weekly TV audience of 250,000 households... so do you think I care what 60 gamblers on WOV and this forum think?

Call me a liar. Just be sure you do it with your keyboard and anonymously in a place I'll never see you.

Continue.

Oh. It was 18 yos in a row. I was there as the stickman counted, checked the dice, and no one bet it.

[monet]

I didn't start this thread.
I don't care what you think. It doesn't matter.
I have a weekly TV audience of 250,000 households... so do you think I care what 60 gamblers on WOV and this forum think?

Call me a liar. Just be sure you do it with your keyboard and anonymously in a place I'll never see you.

Continue.

Oh. It was 18 yos in a row. I was there as the stickman counted, checked the dice, and no one bet it.

LOL... You have a weekly following of 250k households but yet you continue to come in here and associate with this nonsense.
You post this like you have done something in the world. Like your a somebody!

Who is the Fool in MendleFool?

[LarryS]

Iwas there when the horseradish god came down to earth and assured me that Louis Armstrong was back on earth reincarnated as Jackie Evancho.

[LarryS]

I didn't start this thread.
I don't care what you think. It doesn't matter.
I have a weekly TV audience of 250,000 households... so do you think I care what 60 gamblers on WOV and this forum think?

Call me a liar. Just be sure you do it with your keyboard and anonymously in a place I'll never see you.

Continue.

Oh. It was 18 yos in a row. I was there as the stickman counted, checked the dice, and no one bet it.

LOL... You have a weekly following of 250k households but yet you continue to come in here and associate with this nonsense.
You post this like you have done something in the world. Like your a somebody!

Who is the Fool in MendleFool?

that following is worth shit if you cant generate enough money from that to pay your son.

[monet]

I didn't start this thread.

You may not have started this thread but you did beg the posters to get back on track and talk about how you are lying about seeing 18 Yos in a row at CET... live and in person. This is either just as bad or the same as starting this thread of fiction.

It is possible that you asked your pal RobSinger to start this thread for you so you can say you didn't start this thread.