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[coach belly]

It's just impossible for this imbecile to keep his story straight...

There's no point in telling these people how much we make.

we're up $7800 after only an hour and a half

[AxelWolf]

I want to know if anyone here believes you can accumulate EV? And what exactly does that mean?

Let us say a nickel VP AP gets into a one-time situation (perhaps a drawing) where he has 5 million in value/EV with a 95% chance of winning, however, he whiffs on the drawing. Did he just accumulate/bank 5 million and EV? Assuming he stays the course playing nickels I can't imagine he will come close to ever making 5 Million. Meanwhile, some other dude buys a single lottery ticket and hits for 300 mill. I think everything averages out, however, I dont think an individual can ACCUMULATE/BANK EV.

[AxelWolf]

While you guys are arguing, we're up $7800 after only an hour and a half, dealer is on break for a few more minutes. Carry on....

You ass hole, you just stole KJ's accumulated EV.

[Moses]

Oh boy...back to tracking two tables. And for the hundredth time, no the count at that second table doesn't have to be completely accurate. Just enough to know it is more advantageous that the table you are currently playing.

Moses, here is a question for you. Wonging in. You walk by a table. 3 players and the dealer. Glancing at the felt, you see the following hands. 3,6,10; 5,5,8; 4,6,3,7 and the dealer 7,6,5. (dealer busted) That is a running count of +8 for you non counters. Moses would you jump into that game? Would you jump in knowing that was several rounds played that you did not see?

The answer to both questions is yes. Proven by Stanford Wong (John Ferguson) who is credited with the wonging technique. :

Probably not. But I get what you are saying. How often does this happen? Daily, Hourly, Weekly? There is a guy that told me to follow a certain jockey. He is not in the standings. But he gets mounts with the idea of the owner really wanting to win a race. His record is exceptional compared to the jockey at the top of the standings. But he might only compete 5 to 10 races a week. Actually, I don't take advantage of this opportunity and I should. My mind is in other places.

KJ. If what you decribe is a frequent occurance, I'd be afraid of the EITS. Especially jumping back and forth between two tables. I'm from the school of "what you see is what you get, what you haven't seen is what remains, and what you didn't see can get you burned."

They hid the cameras behind them and in the case of this older property probably the catwalk behind the mirror that were used in an attempt to stop card counters and they ended up providing a whole extra opportunity.

I knew I'd read about mirrors somewhere. Great story.

I'm about as conservative and rigid as one gets. But my method (percentage/column count) appears unorthodox. Inconsistent from a conventional standpoint. But very consistent within itself.

[jbjb]

It's just impossible for this imbecile to keep his story straight...

It's impossible for to to stay out of the boys locker room fantasizing about them. Fuck off ok you useless pedophile!!

[Alan Mendelson]

It's just impossible for this imbecile to keep his story straight...

It's impossible for to to stay out of the boys locker room fantasizing about them. Fuck off ok you useless pedophile!!

Jbjb it's time to grow up.

[Alan Mendelson]

Kewlj thanks for the info on the shuffle machines. Now... get back to accumulating EV. What term would help us understand this better? You told regnis there might be another term others use.

[Moses]

Moses yes I understood what kewlj wrote but I don't understand what that has to do with accumulating EV. Do you? Because the question was about how accumulating EV effects play. And frankly I don't need to be concerned with EV to tell anyone not to blow their profits.

Alan. KJ has a mindset which I coined "uncommon valor" years ago. Sometimes it makes me wince and want to cover up as I read his posts. Maybe I'm tripping over this term accumulating EV. For me, it's about MONEY and if I ain't makin it then I ain't playin. So IMO.

If a person is a playing at a $10 table, he should have $10k devoted to the game. However, he should have $100k in earnings/savings.
Logic being, if one has enough energy and savvy to make/save $100K they've probably already overcome entitlement issues which is a major downfall. This game will humble ones ass in a big damn hurry...and that's not what I'm reading. I'm reading about the ease of this venture as a start up. IF it were that easy? We'd all be standing in a line just to get a seat at the table. Goober is in the pit and Gomer is the EITS.

As one progress to a $25 table, $25k devotion, $250k savings. Of course, even better if you can do it with blackjack earnings.

If I were to lose $20k in a night of play. First thing is everyone should stay out of my way. But I would think the $100 table, $100k devotion, and $1mil savings should be the notion.

[Bill Yung]

It's just impossible for this imbecile to keep his story straight...

There's no point in telling these people how much we make.

we're up $7800 after only an hour and a half

He seems to post only during or after a win. Sort of kinky, but you have to wonder what he's doing the other times. Not losing, of course? Hahaha.

[Bill Yung]

I understand what he wrote.

To summarize: A prudent AP spends only those portion of his winnings attributable to the calculated EV; otherwise your bankroll will suffer.

No such thing as a prudent AP, evidenced by such "thinking".

[blackhole]

The conversations going on here make this bit fit perfectly. This is just as funny as everything being said.

At 2:14 it really starts to fit here perfectly.

[Moses]

LMAO; George Carlin. One of my favorites. Stupid, full of shit, and nuts.

[mickeycrimm]

regnis, when someone who obviously concocts much of what he says about his "bj pro" life is asked the tough questions, two things go into motion after the initial incoherent response. First, his apologists come scrambling in, in an attempt to help him save face. Then and at the same time, kew is sitting there biting his nails desperately hoping you buy what they're selling. He will eventually come back on, after spending nervous hours trying to wordsmith another shifty answer that will somehow get rid of you and hopefully make him look "OK" to his cheering anonymous AP fan base.

I've watched this type of AP behavior for many years, and wrote about it for 8 of them.
The public LOVED it.

Rob-I'm not trying to make him look bad or put him in that position. I just don't understand the whole concept. I'm willing to learn if my simple questions are answered. I actually never questioned or doubted that he makes a living at BJ. I just don't get how any of this effects how he plays his next hand.

Regnis, before kewlj responded several other forum members gave their interpretation of what kewlj said. Among them Half Smoke and redietz and mickeycrimm and NONE of them was correct.

Rob is on to something when he says "his apologists come scrambling in, in an attempt to help him save face."

Both you, regnis and Coach, have asked kewlj to explain how his accumulating EV when losing changes or effects his game. Kewlj has not responded. I doubt he will.

Rob has suggested that kewlj's "accumulating EV" just means that kewlj believes he's "due" to break out of his slump and win. I've asked kewlj to comment. Isn't that the gambler's fallacy?

Idiot. You've jumped in hundreds of times and given stupid answers to questions directed at Argentino. You cant fix stupid.

[mickeycrimm]

I'll give you a little example from real life experiences, but I am not going to use my numbers as for some reason, I get attacked for that.

My younger brother. This was before we became partners. His first year, I set him up with a small bankroll so he could play low stakes $5 and $10 games for experience. Not really about making money. It was part of the learning process.

So I set him up with a 10k rankroll to play red chip. I didn't track his EV precisely as I do my own or my teammates play, but for the level he was playing and the time he was putting in I estimated his EV to be roughly $800 a month. I figured his expected win for the year to be in the $8000 - $10,000 range. (maybe less with a new player making mistakes).

So to use a horseracing term, my brother gets out of the gate fast. Starts winning way above accumulated EV, for the first few months. This was actually the last thing I wanted to see happen. So after 6 months, he has won like 10 grand. That is well over the projected (accumulated EV) amount of 4-5 grand.

So he wants to start spending his winnings. I tried to tell him he can only spend accumulated EV, (better to only spend a portion of accumulated EV to allow for BR growth) but just like Alan, none of this was registering. So I let him go and spend what he wanted. Part of the learning experience.

So second half of the year, he isn't winning at all. Not losing but his second half of the year is pretty flat as tends to happen for sometimes even months at a time in blackjack. I think he won just a little bit that second half of the year. Like under $1000.

So for the total year, he had won like $11,000. Above expectation or accumulated EV, but pretty close. BUT he had spend about 13-14 thousand dollars because he spent all his winning while winning above expectation. So at years end, despite winning above "accumulated EV", his bankroll was now like $7600.


Spending winnings without knowing where you are and your winnings are in relationship to expectation, is flat out a recipe for disaster. It is almost a certainty that this will lead to your bankroll disappearing at some point. This is precisely why we track expectation and accumulated EV is the vehicle for doing that.

I'm going to be gentle with you kewlj. I don't think anyone understands what the heck you just wrote here.

The one thing that was clear is that you included an insult for me.

Now, what you wrote might be clear to you so I'm not going to criticize it. In fact, I can't criticize it because I just don't understand what you wrote.

So please try again.

I'm going to be gentle with you, Alan. You're a moron that will never get it if its explained to you a thousand times. There's no cure for stupid.

[Bill Yung]

KJ. I set my son up in biz a few years ago. Gave him my truck and spent a month helping him launch. As I told him, sometimes success comes from what you don't do. It's like a bottleneck. He's doing great but now he spends about as much time in customer service and he does selling. Thus his growth has become stagnent. There are certain clients that drain a person. In order to maximize growth he needs to recognize that client and walk away or not get involved in the first place. As he puts it "Dad, you're addicted to efficiency." That may be but I never much liked working for free or pennies.

I see many of the same qualities in you. You are young, amibtious, and setting the world on fire. But man, if you could just learn to duck. I'd say your growth from a time standpoint is close to the max. No? As you "accumulate growth" you will also "gain attention."

My rule of thumb is table minimum. If you're playing $25 tables you should be making $25k a year. If not, there is something wrong in your game. So, if $100K is the goal? Play $100 tables. The further you go up the ladder the more difficult it is to play within casino tolerance.

It's amazing how much more coherent your posts are when you don't talk about gambling. As soon as people start to talk about gambling, it's game over.

[mickeycrimm]

It's just impossible for this imbecile to keep his story straight...

we're up $7800 after only an hour and a half

He seems to post only during or after a win. Sort of kinky, but you have to wonder what he's doing the other times. Not losing, of course? Hahaha.

Its hard to lose hole carding. But your dumb ass dont know that.

[Bill Yung]

I'm going to be gentle with you, Alan. You're a moron that will never get it if its explained to you a thousand times. There's no cure for stupid.

Then you must be the disease.

[Moses]

KJ. I set my son up in biz a few years ago. Gave him my truck and spent a month helping him launch. As I told him, sometimes success comes from what you don't do. It's like a bottleneck. He's doing great but now he spends about as much time in customer service and he does selling. Thus his growth has become stagnent. There are certain clients that drain a person. In order to maximize growth he needs to recognize that client and walk away or not get involved in the first place. As he puts it "Dad, you're addicted to efficiency." That may be but I never much liked working for free or pennies.

I see many of the same qualities in you. You are young, amibtious, and setting the world on fire. But man, if you could just learn to duck. I'd say your growth from a time standpoint is close to the max. No? As you "accumulate growth" you will also "gain attention."

My rule of thumb is table minimum. If you're playing $25 tables you should be making $25k a year. If not, there is something wrong in your game. So, if $100K is the goal? Play $100 tables. The further you go up the ladder the more difficult it is to play within casino tolerance.

It's amazing how much more coherent your posts are when you don't talk about gambling. As soon as people start to talk about gambling, it's game over.

Good point. I don't gamble.

[BadBeet]

Don't let this distract you from the the fact that in 1966, Al Bundy scored four touchdowns in a single game while playing for the Polk High School Panthers in the 1966 city championship game versus Andrew Johnson High School, including the game-winning touchdown in the final seconds against his old nemesis, Bubba "Spare Tire" Dixon.

[Bill Yung]

Gambling forums, no matter which, really are stuff of no heart, no courage, and no brain.

you're a megalomaniac who thinks you're capable of judging people
you obviously think you're really somebody
allow me to correct you there
you're nobody

yeah, I know what it feels like to be a nobody
I'm a nobody too

but I'm in better shape than you
I'm a nobody who knows that he's a nobody

you're a nobody walking around like a fool thinking you're really somebody

Hey, well, a good time to point out that while Mike was building the boat (ark?), to sail the boat, to catch the fish, to bring them home to Liza, I was busy with trying to tell the systems and other players to save their breath and money. Years ago, I wrote that if I had a nickel for every player who told me to stuff it, and, later, vanished broke from the gambling forums, then I would've been rich. I was more persistent with some of the scammers in gambling. It was a lot of fun all to go along with the stuff people wrote on those forums. So, not surprisingly, the username Garnabby became fairly well associated with all manner of gripes and bannings across the internet. It was easy for the likes of the Wizard and his JB to wrongly seize upon those things, too, without any clarification, to summarily ban Garnabby from their forum. That's fine, but there really are some unwritten rules that we shouldn't just cast to the ditch. One person pissed on is still one person pissed on. Rules that really do make us better people. Somewhere along the line, the Wizard stopped growing into a better person, and, others crowded around to shelter and reassure him. Nothing new there, either. It's his life and forum.

To your question of judging others, well, it depends on what we are as people, and, what you think we are beyond that. If you believe, know, etc, that it's all about probabilities, as Shackleford wrote, then it's only consistent to say go judge everyone/thing, because we are all just things (in the form of chemicals, etc). But, if you believe that there is something more to life, then it's also only consistent to realize that we shouldn't judge everything/one, let alone in the manner of the Wizard, because there is no way to sum up the eternal. My thinking leads me to somewhere in the middle, with to what we are in this world completely left behind upon our death, which is everything we know we are, experience, etc, but our essence or "signature" to move "forward" waits ahead of us. There is no connection between what we are/were here to what we will become. Only an underlying "signature" of the "random" sequence of lives that is the sum total of each of us. In this way, we all lose all that we are, but, at the same time, continue on none-the-wiser. The universe's solution to the (torturer's) paradox of parading the dead.

P.S. Oh, almost forgot to answer your question in freestyle. Last shall be first. So, why not act like it?