Unfortunately, who were the big losers with all of those barrings? Of course, it is always the new players looking for sound advice and direction. Who was left standing to give most all of that advice? Well one asshole "with support of others" who is noted for saying that the Hi Low count is only for amateurs and socialites. He constantly preached "more like shoved up their ass" that the only way to survive in the game is learning to use the HI OP2 ace side count period. Some new players took that approach and periodically spoke about how they were doing and progressing. When they posted about some of their experiences I often shook my head about how very little they actually knew about casino comportmert, and how to get away with it. All of this was really sad to read about, and that was only one example of the things that often took place on that biased site. Although, once every six months or so the moderator did chime in with the words "the HI LOW count gets the money.