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  1. #1
    I have banned Moses for making threats against various users here -- some public, some private.

    Interestingly, I got multiple complaints about him from parties who don't normally like one another, making it clear that this wasn't some conspiracy for people to get together and make phony complaints about him.

    I don't know Moses, and he did make some good posts during his time here, but he has acted quite unstable lately, and has alarmed a lot of the userbase with his aggressive and threatening behavior.

    To be clear, physical threats of any kind are never allowed here. In addition, it is also never allowed to attempt to track down users in real life, nor to engage in any kind of stalking.

    If it appears that someone here is making attempts to find users from this forum in real life and harass/threaten them, that person will be banned.

    I realize there is also some concern about user Bob21.

    I have stated before that Bob21 does not appear to be Moses. He posts from a location far from where Moses lives, and does not appear to be using any kind of proxy to fake his IP.

    If I do see any inappropriate behavior from Bob21, he might be banned too, but at this time I will not touch that account.
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  3. #3
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I have banned Moses for making threats against various users here -- some public, some private.

    Interestingly, I got multiple complaints about him from parties who don't normally like one another, making it clear that this wasn't some conspiracy for people to get together and make phony complaints about him.

    I don't know Moses, and he did make some good posts during his time here, but he has acted quite unstable lately, and has alarmed a lot of the userbase with his aggressive and threatening behavior.

    To be clear, physical threats of any kind are never allowed here. In addition, it is also never allowed to attempt to track down users in real life, nor to engage in any kind of stalking.

    If it appears that someone here is making attempts to find users from this forum in real life and harass/threaten them, that person will be banned.

    I realize there is also some concern about user Bob21.

    I have stated before that Bob21 does not appear to be Moses. He posts from a location far from where Moses lives, and does not appear to be using any kind of proxy to fake his IP.

    If I do see any inappropriate behavior from Bob21, he might be banned too, but at this time I will not touch that account.
    Dan, I’m a little confused as to why you’d even consider banning me. I registered here for one reason (and one reason only) and that was to ask some questions about blackjack to Moses and KJ. After my initial post, I was contuinally trolled (or attacked) by at first blackhole and then keystone. When I used reverse psychology and told them I enjoyed their insults and found them funny, they both more or less went away.

    I’ve found trolls are fairly easy to deal with. They are like an organism...they need a stimulus to keep them going. When they learn they aren’t getting under your skin, and in fact, you enjoy their attacks, they stop. This is a lesson for all you out there on how to deal with trolls. Don’t feed what they crave...don’t respond to them in a negative way and they will go away. It’s that simple. Trolls aren’t hard to figure out. They are simple people.

    I have not attacked anybody on this site. I defended kJ and the variance he experienced when both Ron Singer and Moses called his variance into question. I said I believed kj’s story on being a full time card counter and I told Bosox I got a lot out of kJ posting his experiences. I never once said anything about kj’s sexual preference. I could care less about this part of his life. Based on all my posts, I’m surprised kJ would even think I’m connected in any way to Moses. I don’t use fowl language or curse either.

    On the other hand, I said I liked some of Ron Singer’s posts, and when I said that I meant it. While I didn’t know the history behind Ron and some of the other posters, I could tell there was some bad blood. I think this is when Micky turned against me. He replied to one of my posts trying to explain to me why Ron Singer was such a bad human being. I told him I didn’t care. I still liked some of what he said in his posts. For the most part, his posts were thoughtful and added some depth to the discussion of gambling as an AP.

    As for Bosox, he has called me demented, and Ron Singer a despicable human being. He and Moses are close buddies, always complementing each other on this site. He has asked Norm to bring Moses back to BJTF. Bosox is Moses biggest defender. Why is he getting a pass? Why don’t people think Bosox and Moses are the same person?

    Again, I’m a little surprised kJ thinks I have anything to do with Moses. I went back and read several of my posts. I said people are taking these attacks way too far. I was trying to settle things down. People like Micky and his gang were feeding the fires.

    I can think of at least 5 people on this forum that should be banned before you’d even consider banning me. Go back and read some of Micky’s fowl mouth rants. I agree with Ron Singer....Micky is probably a sad lonely individual driving around to local casinos playing machines. That doesn’t sound like much of a life.

    I probably won’t be posting here much in the future since I’ve got all my blackjack questions answers and it doesn’t seem like you want any good content. Btw, I posted some very relevant information about Id theft here. I even had a couple members competenting me on my posts. That’s probably why you’re thinking of banning me. You don't want any relevant information here, right?

    I’m starting to agree with many on this site. You really only want trolls...you just don’t want them to go over the edge. kJ is right. This is a sad and pathetic site.

  4. #4
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I have banned Moses for making threats against various users here -- some public, some private.

    Interestingly, I got multiple complaints about him from parties who don't normally like one another, making it clear that this wasn't some conspiracy for people to get together and make phony complaints about him.

    I don't know Moses, and he did make some good posts during his time here, but he has acted quite unstable lately, and has alarmed a lot of the userbase with his aggressive and threatening behavior.

    To be clear, physical threats of any kind are never allowed here. In addition, it is also never allowed to attempt to track down users in real life, nor to engage in any kind of stalking.

    If it appears that someone here is making attempts to find users from this forum in real life and harass/threaten them, that person will be banned.

    I realize there is also some concern about user Bob21.

    I have stated before that Bob21 does not appear to be Moses. He posts from a location far from where Moses lives, and does not appear to be using any kind of proxy to fake his IP.

    If I do see any inappropriate behavior from Bob21, he might be banned too, but at this time I will not touch that account.
    Dan, I’m a little confused as to why you’d even consider banning me. I registered here for one reason (and one reason only) and that was to ask some questions about blackjack to Moses and KJ. After my initial post, I was contuinally trolled (or attacked) by at first blackhole and then keystone. When I used reverse psychology and told them I enjoyed their insults and found them funny, they both more or less went away.

    I’ve found trolls are fairly easy to deal with. They are like an organism...they need a stimulus to keep them going. When they learn they aren’t getting under your skin, and in fact, you enjoy their attacks, they stop. This is a lesson for all you out there on how to deal with trolls. Don’t feed what they crave...don’t respond to them in a negative way and they will go away. It’s that simple. Trolls aren’t hard to figure out. They are simple people.

    I have not attacked anybody on this site. I defended kJ and the variance he experienced when both Ron Singer and Moses called his variance into question. I said I believed kj’s story on being a full time card counter and I told Bosox I got a lot out of kJ posting his experiences. I never once said anything about kj’s sexual preference. I could care less about this part of his life. Based on all my posts, I’m surprised kJ would even think I’m connected in any way to Moses. I don’t use fowl language or curse either.

    On the other hand, I said I liked some of Ron Singer’s posts, and when I said that I meant it. While I didn’t know the history behind Ron and some of the other posters, I could tell there was some bad blood. I think this is when Micky turned against me. He replied to one of my posts trying to explain to me why Ron Singer was such a bad human being. I told him I didn’t care. I still liked some of what he said in his posts. For the most part, his posts were thoughtful and added some depth to the discussion of gambling as an AP.

    As for Bosox, he has called me demented, and Ron Singer a despicable human being. He and Moses are close buddies, always complementing each other on this site. He has asked Norm to bring Moses back to BJTF. Bosox is Moses biggest defender. Why is he getting a pass? Why don’t people think Bosox and Moses are the same person?

    Again, I’m a little surprised kJ thinks I have anything to do with Moses. I went back and read several of my posts. I said people are taking these attacks way too far. I was trying to settle things down. People like Micky and his gang were feeding the fires.

    I can think of at least 5 people on this forum that should be banned before you’d even consider banning me. Go back and read some of Micky’s fowl mouth rants. I agree with Ron Singer....Micky is probably a sad lonely individual driving around to local casinos playing machines. That doesn’t sound like much of a life.

    I probably won’t be posting here much in the future since I’ve got all my blackjack questions answers and it doesn’t seem like you want any good content. Btw, I posted some very relevant information about Id theft here. I even had a couple members competenting me on my posts. That’s probably why you’re thinking of banning me. You don't want any relevant information here, right?

    I’m starting to agree with many on this site. You really only want trolls...you just don’t want them to go over the edge. kJ is right. This is a sad and pathetic site.
    I continually trolled you???...Sir/Madam, I think I only addressed you 2-3 times, and all were in reference to your online un-zipping of the dude that just got banned...you seem quite upset that your GodKing is no longer here, and I understand that, but don’t go crying wolf over something that never happened

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I have banned Moses for making threats against various users here -- some public, some private.

    Interestingly, I got multiple complaints about him from parties who don't normally like one another, making it clear that this wasn't some conspiracy for people to get together and make phony complaints about him.

    I don't know Moses, and he did make some good posts during his time here, but he has acted quite unstable lately, and has alarmed a lot of the userbase with his aggressive and threatening behavior.

    To be clear, physical threats of any kind are never allowed here. In addition, it is also never allowed to attempt to track down users in real life, nor to engage in any kind of stalking.

    If it appears that someone here is making attempts to find users from this forum in real life and harass/threaten them, that person will be banned.

    I realize there is also some concern about user Bob21.

    I have stated before that Bob21 does not appear to be Moses. He posts from a location far from where Moses lives, and does not appear to be using any kind of proxy to fake his IP.

    If I do see any inappropriate behavior from Bob21, he might be banned too, but at this time I will not touch that account.
    Dan, I’m a little confused as to why you’d even consider banning me. I registered here for one reason (and one reason only) and that was to ask some questions about blackjack to Moses and KJ. After my initial post, I was contuinally trolled (or attacked) by at first blackhole and then keystone. When I used reverse psychology and told them I enjoyed their insults and found them funny, they both more or less went away.

    I’ve found trolls are fairly easy to deal with. They are like an organism...they need a stimulus to keep them going. When they learn they aren’t getting under your skin, and in fact, you enjoy their attacks, they stop. This is a lesson for all you out there on how to deal with trolls. Don’t feed what they crave...don’t respond to them in a negative way and they will go away. It’s that simple. Trolls aren’t hard to figure out. They are simple people.

    I have not attacked anybody on this site. I defended kJ and the variance he experienced when both Ron Singer and Moses called his variance into question. I said I believed kj’s story on being a full time card counter and I told Bosox I got a lot out of kJ posting his experiences. I never once said anything about kj’s sexual preference. I could care less about this part of his life. Based on all my posts, I’m surprised kJ would even think I’m connected in any way to Moses. I don’t use fowl language or curse either.

    On the other hand, I said I liked some of Ron Singer’s posts, and when I said that I meant it. While I didn’t know the history behind Ron and some of the other posters, I could tell there was some bad blood. I think this is when Micky turned against me. He replied to one of my posts trying to explain to me why Ron Singer was such a bad human being. I told him I didn’t care. I still liked some of what he said in his posts. For the most part, his posts were thoughtful and added some depth to the discussion of gambling as an AP.

    As for Bosox, he has called me demented, and Ron Singer a despicable human being. He and Moses are close buddies, always complementing each other on this site. He has asked Norm to bring Moses back to BJTF. Bosox is Moses biggest defender. Why is he getting a pass? Why don’t people think Bosox and Moses are the same person?

    Again, I’m a little surprised kJ thinks I have anything to do with Moses. I went back and read several of my posts. I said people are taking these attacks way too far. I was trying to settle things down. People like Micky and his gang were feeding the fires.

    I can think of at least 5 people on this forum that should be banned before you’d even consider banning me. Go back and read some of Micky’s fowl mouth rants. I agree with Ron Singer....Micky is probably a sad lonely individual driving around to local casinos playing machines. That doesn’t sound like much of a life.

    I probably won’t be posting here much in the future since I’ve got all my blackjack questions answers and it doesn’t seem like you want any good content. Btw, I posted some very relevant information about Id theft here. I even had a couple members competenting me on my posts. That’s probably why you’re thinking of banning me. You don't want any relevant information here, right?

    I’m starting to agree with many on this site. You really only want trolls...you just don’t want them to go over the edge. kJ is right. This is a sad and pathetic site.
    I continually trolled you???...Sir/Madam, I think I only addressed you 2-3 times, and all were in reference to your online un-zipping of the dude that just got banned...you seem quite upset that your GodKing is no longer here, and I understand that, but don’t go crying wolf over something that never happened
    Call it what you want, you’re a troll. You have NOT made one post on here that had any content. You only call people names and attack people. If that is what “floats your boat”, go for it. This is the only type of posters Dan seems to want on his site.

    I actually changed my handle from BJTF since I didn’t want to be attacked by Moses over here. It was only when Bosox outed me that I said yes, I’m dbs. I’ve already said that once. Check Moses’s posts on zenzone. He was constantly attacking me over there. If Moses and I are buddies or the same person, why was he constantly attacking me.

    This is why I’m surprised Dan, kJ and Micky think I’m somewhat connected to Moses or the same person. Did anybody read any of the posts between us?

  6. #6
    Keystone, one more thing. You proved my point on how to deal with trolls. After you saw you weren’t getting a rise out of me, you quite trolling me. You tried two or three times and then moved on.

    This should be a lesson to all of you out there. You see how effective my approach in dealing with trolls is.

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    Dan, I’m a little confused as to why you’d even consider banning me. I registered here for one reason (and one reason only) and that was to ask some questions about blackjack to Moses and KJ. After my initial post, I was contuinally trolled (or attacked) by at first blackhole and then keystone. When I used reverse psychology and told them I enjoyed their insults and found them funny, they both more or less went away.

    I’ve found trolls are fairly easy to deal with. They are like an organism...they need a stimulus to keep them going. When they learn they aren’t getting under your skin, and in fact, you enjoy their attacks, they stop. This is a lesson for all you out there on how to deal with trolls. Don’t feed what they crave...don’t respond to them in a negative way and they will go away. It’s that simple. Trolls aren’t hard to figure out. They are simple people.

    I have not attacked anybody on this site. I defended kJ and the variance he experienced when both Ron Singer and Moses called his variance into question. I said I believed kj’s story on being a full time card counter and I told Bosox I got a lot out of kJ posting his experiences. I never once said anything about kj’s sexual preference. I could care less about this part of his life. Based on all my posts, I’m surprised kJ would even think I’m connected in any way to Moses. I don’t use fowl language or curse either.

    On the other hand, I said I liked some of Ron Singer’s posts, and when I said that I meant it. While I didn’t know the history behind Ron and some of the other posters, I could tell there was some bad blood. I think this is when Micky turned against me. He replied to one of my posts trying to explain to me why Ron Singer was such a bad human being. I told him I didn’t care. I still liked some of what he said in his posts. For the most part, his posts were thoughtful and added some depth to the discussion of gambling as an AP.

    As for Bosox, he has called me demented, and Ron Singer a despicable human being. He and Moses are close buddies, always complementing each other on this site. He has asked Norm to bring Moses back to BJTF. Bosox is Moses biggest defender. Why is he getting a pass? Why don’t people think Bosox and Moses are the same person?

    Again, I’m a little surprised kJ thinks I have anything to do with Moses. I went back and read several of my posts. I said people are taking these attacks way too far. I was trying to settle things down. People like Micky and his gang were feeding the fires.

    I can think of at least 5 people on this forum that should be banned before you’d even consider banning me. Go back and read some of Micky’s fowl mouth rants. I agree with Ron Singer....Micky is probably a sad lonely individual driving around to local casinos playing machines. That doesn’t sound like much of a life.

    I probably won’t be posting here much in the future since I’ve got all my blackjack questions answers and it doesn’t seem like you want any good content. Btw, I posted some very relevant information about Id theft here. I even had a couple members competenting me on my posts. That’s probably why you’re thinking of banning me. You don't want any relevant information here, right?

    I’m starting to agree with many on this site. You really only want trolls...you just don’t want them to go over the edge. kJ is right. This is a sad and pathetic site.
    I continually trolled you???...Sir/Madam, I think I only addressed you 2-3 times, and all were in reference to your online un-zipping of the dude that just got banned...you seem quite upset that your GodKing is no longer here, and I understand that, but don’t go crying wolf over something that never happened
    Call it what you want, you’re a troll. You have NOT made one post on here that had any content. You only call people names and attack people. If that is what “floats your boat”, go for it. This is the only type of posters Dan seems to want on his site.

    I actually changed my handle from BJTF since I didn’t want to be attacked by Moses over here. It was only when Bosox outed me that I said yes, I’m dbs. I’ve already said that once. Check Moses’s posts on zenzone. He was constantly attacking me over there. If Moses and I are buddies or the same person, why was he constantly attacking me.

    This is why I’m surprised Dan, kJ and Micky think I’m somewhat connected to Moses or the same person. Did anybody read any of the posts between us?
    I’ve never read that other site you mentioned and I really don’t care if you are him, he is you, you’re related, or you’re Siamese twins...I made a few observations, just like the observation you made I’m a troll, I made one that you seem in love with the guy....seems even more bizarre now that you claim he was attacking you, but like you said, “whatever floats your boat”

  8. #8
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Keystone, one more thing. You proved my point on how to deal with trolls. After you saw you weren’t getting a rise out of me, you quite trolling me. You tried two or three times and then moved on.

    This should be a lesson to all of you out there. You see how effective my approach in dealing with trolls is.
    Like I said, I don’t know who you are and have no reason to troll you...you’ve made 90 posts here and I’ve responded to you 2-3 times, and all regarding the computer head you were giving to one particular male...nothing more, nothing less...however, if it makes you feel better in your effectiveness in dealing with me or anyone else, more power to you...most everyone needs an ego boost sometimes

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Keystone, one more thing. You proved my point on how to deal with trolls. After you saw you weren’t getting a rise out of me, you quite trolling me. You tried two or three times and then moved on.

    This should be a lesson to all of you out there. You see how effective my approach in dealing with trolls is.
    Like I said, I don’t know who you are and have no reason to troll you...you’ve made 90 posts here and I’ve responded to you 2-3 times, and all regarding the computer head you were giving to one particular male...nothing more, nothing less...however, if it makes you feel better in your effectiveness in dealing with me or anyone else, more power to you...most everyone needs an ego boost sometimes
    Isn’t this kind of fun. I’ve turned the boat on you. Now I’m trolling a troll. I can tell I hit a never with you. Trolls hate to be trolled.

    Hey keystone, check out my advice above on how to deal with trolls. Don’t let them get under your skin. I can tell that’s happened with you. This means you might not be cut out for this trolling stuff. You might need to find another pastime. Lol.

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Keystone, one more thing. You proved my point on how to deal with trolls. After you saw you weren’t getting a rise out of me, you quite trolling me. You tried two or three times and then moved on.

    This should be a lesson to all of you out there. You see how effective my approach in dealing with trolls is.
    Like I said, I don’t know who you are and have no reason to troll you...you’ve made 90 posts here and I’ve responded to you 2-3 times, and all regarding the computer head you were giving to one particular male...nothing more, nothing less...however, if it makes you feel better in your effectiveness in dealing with me or anyone else, more power to you...most everyone needs an ego boost sometimes
    Isn’t this kind of fun. I’ve turned the boat on you. Now I’m trolling a troll. I can tell I hit a never with you. Trolls hate to be trolled.

    Hey keystone, check out my advice above on how to deal with trolls. Don’t let them get under your skin. I can tell that’s happened with you. This means you might not be cut out for this trolling stuff. You might need to find another pastime. Lol.
    Awwww, is this you dealing with me again you sly fox?....man you’re good lolololololol

  11. #11
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    I actually changed my handle from BJTF since I didn’t want to be attacked by Moses over here. It was only when Bosox outed me that I said yes, I’m dbs. I’ve already said that once. Check Moses’s posts on zenzone. He was constantly attacking me over there. If Moses and I are buddies or the same person, why was he constantly attacking me.

    This is why I’m surprised Dan, kJ and Micky think I’m somewhat connected to Moses or the same person. Did anybody read any of the posts between us?
    I thought and still think it very odds that a new person comes here and praises Moses the way you did. Maybe that in part is because of the lens I am looking through. Like I have said, I have known for quite sometime that Moses is not the player at the level that he says. I honestly don't think he even plays much blackjack, but maybe every once in a while when he is bored with his "buddies" in the sportsbook, or more likely is fighting with them, he plays a little blackjack at the red chip level. Maybe he even wins a little bit of money, who knows. Somebody suggested "lunch money". That is what we are talking about. That is his level of play. THAT is why he is tolerated in a place like Reno that is intolerant. Especially if he and his buddy are known sports gamblers. (notice the term "gamblers").

    My point is that in my mind Moses has demonstrated that he is not very knowledgeable about blackjack in general, let alone blackjack card counting advantage play. Even conceding the fact that he is "talking" about single deck which I don't play, he just is missing large chunks of basic knowledge and has replaced that with some voodoo, 1980's type thinking about how to play. His recent comments with a lack of understanding of variance confirmed my opinion. So I guess, that is why I have trouble when other players such as yourself and in the last few days BoSox, who I have great respect for, seem to find value in his posts. I don't see it at all, and frankly see the opposite.

    Also troubling to me was you praising his participation at ZZ. He is there talking to himself, attacking people who aren't even there or reading and you find value in that? And you know why he is there, because he has been banned everywhere else, including now here, for attacking people...to the point that it is a criminal issue. I have an appointment in a couple hours with authorities to deal with it. You find humor in that? I have been robbed...at gun point...due to posting on a forum, so I fail to see any humor in that. And yes, people will counter that I too am banned at 2 forums. But it is 1 person that created that situation and it is a result of an issue about blackjack, not a general attacking of many, many people. It is blackjack politics, not repeated trolling and hate attacks.

    In fairness, I must have missed the discussion where Bosox identified you as dbs from BJTF and you confirmed it. I actually am not that familiar with dbs as I don't read BJTF much any more and don't want to go back and read just to get a feel for you. I would rather wipe the slate clean and start fresh. Perhaps you are a guy that just enjoys trolling and name calling on the internet so you find 3rd grade Moses amusing. I guess I will have to accept that. So, I like a little legitimate BJ discussion here and welcome any kind of advantage play discussion and even legitimate recreational gambling discussion, so I hope you will stick around.

    As for DanDruff and the banning of Moses. I will just say thank you (it's a good start), better late than never and leave it at that. I know Dan and others think I am too sensitive to all this trolling. I will remind people again, I have been robbed at gunpoint, outside my home 8 years ago, because of things said on an internet forum. I have members of these forums constantly spewing hate rhetoric at me, because I am an AP, as well as personal reasons. I have members following me from other forums just to troll and attack me, such as Moses, even QFIT. (and just wait there will be others, who are just waiting right Rattler1) I have had numerous members on various sites, like Sidthesquid at WoV and Moses here, trying to get information as to where I live, a picture, my name from forum members. This would be alarming enough under any circumstances, but I am a professional blackjack player. Is the answer really that I have to forfeit my right and something I enjoy like participating in the community? That doesn't seem fair or right.

    So anyway, VegasCasinoTalk is a little better today than yesterday (hopefully that trend will continue) and we can move forward.

  12. #12
    Bob21, Freightman over at the forum had you pegged perfectly, and I was holding back slightly waiting for more reasons. I no longer need proof you are a real snake, and are as underhanded as they come. I believe you already accomplished what you set out to do when you joined this board. First you use a different handle and make friends with Moses, always complimenting him for all the crude jokes he was making, encouraging him to continue with even more, and then hanging on every word he said on changes for the Hi Low count a real friend you were right. Revenge was your motive all along for him rightfully slamming you at Zen Zone, and guess what you succeeded. Mickey also had you pegged from the beginning. But do not gloat too much dbs6582, as you were not fully to blame, as Moses was dealing with some old earlier grudges.
    Last edited by BoSox; 02-22-2019 at 10:33 AM.

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Bob21, Freightman over at the forum had you pegged perfectly, and I was holding back slightly waiting for more reasons. I no longer need proof you are a real snake, and are underhanded as they come. I believe you already accomplished what you set out to do when you joined this board. First you use a different handle and make friends with Moses, always complimenting him for all the crude jokes he was making, encouraging him to continue with even more, and then hanging on every word he said on changes for the Hi Low count a real friend you were right. Revenge was your motive all along for him rightfully slamming you at Zen Zone, and guess what you succeeded. Mickey also had you pegged from the beginning. But do not gloat too much dbs6582, as you were not fully to blame, as Moses was dealing with some old earlier grudges.
    Jesus, none of this sounds good. Do I have to go back and read BJTF and ZZ to try to figure out what the hell is going on?

    I refuse to do that.

    Let me ask you this BoSox (because I respect your opinion). Is Bob21 ONLY a troll? Was his only purpose her to trap Moses? There is no possibility of him being a reasonable contributing member? I am asking you rather than spend a day reading history. I am asking for the "cliff notes"?

    This is becoming more and more discouraging.

  14. #14
    Bob21, is a professional instigator and really enjoys his work, getting two sides or more agitated and then sits back and enjoys his objective.

  15. #15
    I gotta head out, but before I do, I have a question for Dan Druff.

    In the past month or two, maybe since the first of the year, there have been an extraordinary number of new members sign up that are not participating. Do you have any idea why this might be? Are you advertising anywhere or posting links that might be drawing new interest?

    In the absence of that, I fear a storm coming.

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I gotta head out, but before I do, I have a question for Dan Druff.

    In the past month or two, maybe since the first of the year, there have been an extraordinary number of new members sign up that are not participating. Do you have any idea why this might be? Are you advertising anywhere or posting links that might be drawing new interest?

    In the absence of that, I fear a storm coming.
    Maybe it's people signing up for the Albertson's game piece thread.

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    I actually changed my handle from BJTF since I didn’t want to be attacked by Moses over here. It was only when Bosox outed me that I said yes, I’m dbs. I’ve already said that once. Check Moses’s posts on zenzone. He was constantly attacking me over there. If Moses and I are buddies or the same person, why was he constantly attacking me.

    This is why I’m surprised Dan, kJ and Micky think I’m somewhat connected to Moses or the same person. Did anybody read any of the posts between us?
    I thought and still think it very odds that a new person comes here and praises Moses the way you did. Maybe that in part is because of the lens I am looking through. Like I have said, I have known for quite sometime that Moses is not the player at the level that he says. I honestly don't think he even plays much blackjack, but maybe every once in a while when he is bored with his "buddies" in the sportsbook, or more likely is fighting with them, he plays a little blackjack at the red chip level. Maybe he even wins a little bit of money, who knows. Somebody suggested "lunch money". That is what we are talking about. That is his level of play. THAT is why he is tolerated in a place like Reno that is intolerant. Especially if he and his buddy are known sports gamblers. (notice the term "gamblers").

    My point is that in my mind Moses has demonstrated that he is not very knowledgeable about blackjack in general, let alone blackjack card counting advantage play. Even conceding the fact that he is "talking" about single deck which I don't play, he just is missing large chunks of basic knowledge and has replaced that with some voodoo, 1980's type thinking about how to play. His recent comments with a lack of understanding of variance confirmed my opinion. So I guess, that is why I have trouble when other players such as yourself and in the last few days BoSox, who I have great respect for, seem to find value in his posts. I don't see it at all, and frankly see the opposite.

    Also troubling to me was you praising his participation at ZZ. He is there talking to himself, attacking people who aren't even there or reading and you find value in that? And you know why he is there, because he has been banned everywhere else, including now here, for attacking people...to the point that it is a criminal issue. I have an appointment in a couple hours with authorities to deal with it. You find humor in that? I have been robbed...at gun point...due to posting on a forum, so I fail to see any humor in that. And yes, people will counter that I too am banned at 2 forums. But it is 1 person that created that situation and it is a result of an issue about blackjack, not a general attacking of many, many people. It is blackjack politics, not repeated trolling and hate attacks.

    In fairness, I must have missed the discussion where Bosox identified you as dbs from BJTF and you confirmed it. I actually am not that familiar with dbs as I don't read BJTF much any more and don't want to go back and read just to get a feel for you. I would rather wipe the slate clean and start fresh. Perhaps you are a guy that just enjoys trolling and name calling on the internet so you find 3rd grade Moses amusing. I guess I will have to accept that. So, I like a little legitimate BJ discussion here and welcome any kind of advantage play discussion and even legitimate recreational gambling discussion, so I hope you will stick around.

    As for DanDruff and the banning of Moses. I will just say thank you (it's a good start), better late than never and leave it at that. I know Dan and others think I am too sensitive to all this trolling. I will remind people again, I have been robbed at gunpoint, outside my home 8 years ago, because of things said on an internet forum. I have members of these forums constantly spewing hate rhetoric at me, because I am an AP, as well as personal reasons. I have members following me from other forums just to troll and attack me, such as Moses, even QFIT. (and just wait there will be others, who are just waiting right Rattler1) I have had numerous members on various sites, like Sidthesquid at WoV and Moses here, trying to get information as to where I live, a picture, my name from forum members. This would be alarming enough under any circumstances, but I am a professional blackjack player. Is the answer really that I have to forfeit my right and something I enjoy like participating in the community? That doesn't seem fair or right.

    So anyway, VegasCasinoTalk is a little better today than yesterday (hopefully that trend will continue) and we can move forward.
    Okay, where do I start. We’ve been through some of this before. I came on this site to ask Moses to explain his column count. That was my only objective. He went into great detail describing it so I thanked him. I never said I would use it or I thought it made any sense. We’ve gone over this before.

    I also asked you about team play, and you did a very good job describing your opinion on team play. I thanked for that too, and then had a couple of the usual trolls attack me.

    Yes, I think high school Locker room humor is funny. That is the “only” think I laughed at with Moses. I did not think his attacks on you for being gay was funny. I never encouraged that. I never encouraged the threats. In fact, if anything, I discouraged it. I found two posts where I said people are taking this too far.

    As far as Bosox, he likes to call people names. That’s his thing. Go back and read my posts. For the most part, I’m not a name caller. When Bosox was supporting Moses on the variance discussion, you said you didn’t understand the point Bosox was making. I’m glad you did because I didn't either. Bosox has a hard time making his points so I’m surprised you think highly of him, in terms of his opinion on blackjack that is.

    Go back and read the posts again. It was Bosox agreeing with Moses most the time. I was not. Was I laughing at some of the humor? Sure. But this was early on when he was just name calling with a couple people. kJ, you get into this name calling stuff quite a bit too. Name calling isn’t my thing. It’s more Bosox and Freightman and most the people on this site’s thing.

    I’ve found most don’t know how to argue a point. So what do they do? They resort to name calling. It’s the lowest form of arguing with someone. I’ve seen Micky usually resorts to this too. Btw, you’re very good at arguing your points, so you shouldn’t need to go the name calling route so often. Just some friendly advice.

  18. #18
    Oh the irony of a Jewish person kicking "Moses" out.

  19. #19
    If anyone actually reads Moses posts when he speaks about blackjack, they would realize what he was saying between the lines. Repeating again it was not Moses who decided what level to play bj, it was always the house and the dealers. NOT what he wanted, nothing near that, He realized early on the hard way that he did not call the shots in Reno, it was going to be on their terms or leave town period. He adapted to those rules again after paying the price of being kicked out and barred and learned to play ball. Now combine a bankroll that cannot play anywhere to normal ROR standards, with lower stakes/spreads that is all you are allowed, short sessions and what do you get, very little action. The variance is there like someone starting out yes, but is not as much of a factor AT ALL for someone who has his hands tied on playing his way by hawking paranoid casinos. Of course all of that is my guess, personally I think he gets more action in the sports book. Unlike Three, Moses is not lying on this, possibly showing a little pride in ommitting that the casinos wont accept his action that he is not allowed to play at.
    Last edited by BoSox; 02-22-2019 at 12:51 PM.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    As far as Bosox, he likes to call people names. That’s his thing. Go back and read my posts. For the most part, I’m not a name caller. When Bosox was supporting Moses on the variance discussion, you said you didn’t understand the point Bosox was making. I’m glad you did because I didn't either. Bosox has a hard time making his points so I’m surprised you think highly of him, in terms of his opinion on blackjack that is.
    Well that is not my experience with BoSox. If you have a negative issue with Bosox, that is between you and he. I don't. Have always found him to be reasonable and fairly respectful and fair with me. As a matter of fact, he has a history of speaking up for me at BJTF when people have negative things to say about me long after I was gone and couldn't respond. Does that endear me to him a little bit? Yeah, probably. I never like people attacking or even challenging a person once they are gone and have no way to respond. And to that end I have a couple things to say about Moses, and then am done talking about him. I will be addressing BoSox support of Moses shortly in another thread.

    So before I met with Metro's cyber crime division a short time ago, I visited ZenZone, just to see if Moses had posted anything else that I might need to include with my complaint. There was the usual homophobic rants, but nothing all that new so I didn't add anything. I did however read some of his lunacy. He was talking about me and finding me and all and then went into this 3 year search for some guy that had done his family wrong or done something to his family and how the guy was surprised when Moses tracked him down. It sounded like a freaking Charles Bronson Movie and I have no idea what that has to do with me. The guy is just looney! and now he is back at the looney bin, in a padded room talking to himself so let's just leave it at that.

    Unfortunately here is Vegas we have a lot of homeless. And some of them are quite bizarre, not only talking to themselves, but yelling at themselves with some sort of bizarre discussion that you can't help but overhear and it makes zero sense to anyone. When I encounter such a person, I walk away from them not towards them, so I will have no more discussion of moses after this post.

    So I met with Cyber crime division today. A small outfit, I don't know maybe 8 decks with people pounding away on computers. Younger people mostly that didn't look like they would be full fledged cops. So anyway, I explained everything to the female detective and she was able to immediately pull my previous complaint against Moses up on the computer. Quite different than when I made the complaint and it went into a paper file. And she already had information on Mr, Moses, from other complaints in other jurisdictions. I guess cyber crime division works closely with other jurisdictions, which would make sense, since it is the internet. So they know who he is and his name. She took my printouts to include.

    I have no idea what happens next, but as I was leaving she did recommend that I stop participating on these forums. I found this to be rather stupid. I mean suppose some black guy or Jewish guy goes to the police complaining that someone is assaulting him at work because he is black or Jewish. Are they going to say, "well maybe you should stop going to work?"

    So that is all I want to say about Moses. He is dead to me. If forced to deal with him, I will do what I have to do.

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