I just want to spell out that recreational players subsidize me because without them, I wouldn't have access to positive EV plays. Recreational players play less than optimally, so optimal machines and scenarios can exist. That subsidizes me. Without recreational players, I wouldn't win, wouldn't get comps, wouldn't get free food and rooms. If everyone was an advantage player, there would be no advantage plays. So Alan, I should be thanking you instead of debating you. Keep doing what you're doing -- win goals, quitting when ahead, playing negative machines -- don't stop on my account.

I remember those machines at the Wynn that Rob's mentioned. I couldn't get on them until 2 or 3 AM most nights. What made them good plays were the generous comps Wynn installed when his casino first opened. Those comps didn't last long -- about as long as the machines. I was able to meet some of the women working the Wynn on the midnight shift during those nights I played on the machines. While well-dressed, they were curiously not the most attractive working girls on the strip, but rumor has it there are reasons for that.