Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

I mean really tell me what you want from me Alan? I can spend a couple hours posting some numbers, but I am sure that won't satisfy you.
Kewlj I've always believed that you could make $85,000 or so a year card counting. The problems arise when you provide too many details. In fact it's all the details that draw out the skepticism. It's all the details that sabotage you.

Look at what you've told us and understand how there can be skepticism:

1. You lose $29,000 in a week while you play short hit and run sessions that you describe as a grind. A $29,000 one week grind?

2. You quickly recover the $29,000 and you apparently did it again grinding short hit and run sessions.

3. Your average hit per casino visit is $30 or $50... yet you lost $29,000 in a week and then quickly won it back. That doesn't raise skepticism?

4. You admit to a six month losing streak but recover. Okay, that's doable. But again the recovery comes in grinding short hit and run sessions from 33 casinos at $30 to $50 a pop.

5. You speak of Averages but your average yearly take is under $2500 per casino each year and we have to wonder that you've had huge swings to maintain the averages...

6. And the bottom line is when you have to recover from a weekly loss of $29,000 and when you have to recover from a month or six months of losing, "inquiring minds" must wonder that there's more than $30-$50 casino hits and along with years of doing this you must be known.

7. Heck, they knew my face at Red Rock and Suncoast on my third visits to each casino... but you grind away for 15 years profiting on average $85,000 a year and overcoming $29,000 one week losses and you fly under the radar?

Ya know kewlj, if you just said you make $85,000 a year counting cards there wouldn't be any skepticism. But it's your added detail that sends up the red flares.
You clearly don't know what the word "average" means nor the fact that when doing math, you take positive numbers and subtract away negative numbers. That total, also called a "sum", is then divided by some other number, in KJ's case, 50 (or 52) for the number of weeks. The result of that division process is called a "quotient" which is also the average.

Here's an example: Someone goes up to you and says, "Shalom, my name is Anal m'Endelson. I played at Caesars Palace twice a week for the last 3 years. I hit two royal flushes on $25 denom VP for $100k each. Even though I had big wins, I've already lost $350k there overall. My average loss is a little over $1k per trip or $2k per week, even though I've lost significantly more than that on a single trip."
Putting aside your wise ass anti semitic remark, what you presented as an explanation is far different from playing 33 casinos with short hit snd run sessions with bets that fly under the radar of $500 each, that also recover from six months losing streaks and $29,000 one week losses.

Kewlj brought the skepticism upon himself.

By the way, RS, not only are you an anti semitic pig but the numbers you use in your example are wrong. But it was a nice try sticking up for your AP buddy.

No, the bottom line is the same. Kewlj may have indeed won $85,000 a year betting up to $400 a hand at bkackjack... but the overly dramatic story of hit and runs at 33 different casinos and recovering from big loss swings while flying under the radar for 15 years is just too much for reasonable minds to absorb.