A Request For Axel

[coach belly]

Coach messed up by not realizing that all firearms have serial numbers, so provenance can be easily established without receipts

Provenance has not been established, with or without receipts.

Nobody knows when or where or if you bought a shotgun, or can understand why you would bring up a shotgun in the first place just to lie about it.

What has been established is that you claimed that you "got" your shotgun at the Bass Pro Shop Silverton, and got caught in a lie.

Here's the quote...

Silverton has...a good Bass Pro Shop (which is where I got my $1700 shotgun)

You and tewlj have both been caught lying in this thread, and should consider the sentiments written by a recently discharged mental patient in post #118...

Don't answer any questions if you have trouble telling the truth...because the truth will emerge and you'll be exposed as a liar and a fraud.

[mickeycrimm]

the two of you have wild sex

You are imagining 2 men having sex...do you realize what that means wormm?

You and your band of misfit followers sure do love these homoerotic scenarios.

When you are finished, get your hand out of your pants and wipe down your keyboard...you freak.

So you are now admitting that you and Argentino are lovers. That's good, pork belly. The truth will set you free.

[coach belly]

The truth will set you free.

The truth is that you often fantasize and write about homosexuality.

What is inspiring you?...your feelings for tewlj?...is he your muse?

[kewlJ]

You and tewlj have both been caught lying in this thread,

How have I lied? I said I received several emails from Singer. When questioned I went back and looked and found 1. This surprised me because I thought it was 2 or 3, but it was a couple years. Later YOU were kind enough to point out that one may have been sent under rob.argentino.com. So I went back and looked and found the second. Thank you for pointing that out. So there were two. I said several. That is that a lie?

More importantly to me is two things. 1.) that Argentino / Singer sent hate emails! I mean this isn't nasty comments on a forum that allows and encourages that kind of talk. This is contacting someone through email, unsolicited, which is covered by many of the same laws and regulations as the US. mail. And sending unsolicited hate mail and emails can fall under harassment. So this guy, Argentino /Singer who of late has been trying to tell us that his persona here on the internet isn't real, it's an act, that in real life, he is a nice guy, sent hate email not once but twice.

And do you know why he used a second account the second day, because yahoo mail which he used the first day, blocked his emails from coming through, so he circumvented that by using a second email account. And you defend this behavior and continue to enable this person. What is wrong with you?

Second thing is like I said yesterday, you are quick to demand proof from anyone on the AP side who makes any claim. Now understand, that no one is on trial, no one is required to prove or back up anything they say. It is a freaking internet forum. And yet you immediately demand this of any AP who makes any claim. BUT AGAIN, when Robert Argentino, posting as Rob Singer makes any sort of claim, not a peep out of you.

So you tell me why anyone should even acknowledge you anymore.

[mcap]

If anybody still answers this asshole's Coach Belly's stupid questions he/she is and even bigger moron than he is. Fuck him, the little prick!

Kewlj. You agreed and then keep doing exactly what smelly troll wants you to. Wise up.

[coach belly]

How have I lied? I said I received several emails from Singer. So there were two. I said several. That is that a lie?

Yes...that is a lie. There weren't several emails.

You wrote

About a year ago I received several extremely nasty, possibly illegal, emails from this very email address. rob.singer1111@yahoo.com

You haven't shared any emails from rob.singer1111@yahoo.com, but you managed to share another email from a different address that could be from Singer.

But the email you shared wasn't extremely nasty...so that was a lie.

Even if you ever do share the email from rob.singer1111@yahoo.com and it's extremely nasty (you said that you would), it's one email, not several.

So that was a lie (or 2 lies since you haven't shared any email from rob.singer1111@yahoo.com).

You wrote

when I received this email I mentioned it publicly and Singer responded that the Rob.singer1111@yahoo.com account was not his account and that it must be someone else who made an account using his handle.

In the second email (which you shared), the writer acknowledges the first email, and encourages you to post it on the forum.

It's right here...

here ya go coach belly

So when did Singer deny that it came from him?

Singer was banned from the forum during the period that these emails were received.

I'm not saying that he didn't deny it, just asking when did he deny it?

[kewlJ]

So when did Singer deny that it came from him?

Singer was banned from the forum during the period that these emails were received.

I'm not saying that he didn't deny it, just asking when did he deny it?

Yes, the emails occurred while Singer was banned. The discussion about it occurred later, after he was re-instated.

You know it is funny coach belly, you comb through posts, probably taking hours to find what you want to find, some sort of coach belly "gottcha ya" moment. But when it is something you don't want to see, magically you, the great detective can't find it. I said "funny" but that's not really what it is. What it really is, is dishonest. And you continue to prove THAT is who and what you are.

It took me all of 4 minutes to find where Singer denied the email was from him and gave the weak excuse that he has no idea what my email address is, when I had carelessly posted a screenshot that had my email in it, not long before I received his emails

Your pathetic coach belly. I am really tired of your game playing and dishonesty.

[MaxPen]

Yes, the emails occurred while Singer was banned. The discussion about it occurred later, after he was re-instated.

You know it is funny coach belly, you comb through posts, probably taking hours to find what you want to find, some sort of coach belly "gottcha ya" moment. But when it is something you don't want to see, magically you, the great detective can't find it. I said "funny" but that's not really what it is. What it really is, is dishonest. And you continue to prove THAT is who and what you are.

It took me all of 4 minutes to find where Singer denied the email was from him and gave the weak excuse that he has no idea what my email address is, when I had carelessly posted a screenshot that had my email in it, not long before I received his emails

Your pathetic coach belly. I am really tired of your game playing and dishonesty.

I don't know why you waste your time going back and forth with the troll?

[coach belly]

I'm not saying that he didn't deny it, just asking when did he deny it?

The discussion about it occurred later, after he was re-instated.

Why not post the date when he denied that it was from him?

That's what I meant when I asked "when", I expected you to post a date...or better yet post the quote.

After all, you posted the date that you received the email, then it took me only minutes to establish that you lied about it...not hours.

So who is the one really playing games here?

[RS__]

There is literally nothing, and I mean LITERALLY NOTHING, that will change the minds of Singer, belly, Alan, slingshit, etc. If, for some reason, you were dumb enough to sit down next to them and explain to them exactly what you do, as well as bring them to the casino and show them what you do, it still wouldn't change one iota. They're always going to disagree with us, no matter what the subject matter is. They love to play these games where they misunderstand what's being written, twist it around, then pretend like they're right. Belly will ask a million damn questions, wait until there's something he doesn't understand, then pretend there's some sorta "gotcha! moment". Just ignore Rob and his many aliases.......it's a complete waste of time.

See if Singer responds to my post -- you know he won't, because I don't respond to his.

[slingshot]

There is literally nothing, and I mean LITERALLY NOTHING, that will change the minds of Singer, belly, Alan, slingshit, etc. If, for some reason, you were dumb enough to sit down next to them and explain to them exactly what you do, as well as bring them to the casino and show them what you do, it still wouldn't change one iota. They're always going to disagree with us, no matter what the subject matter is. They love to play these games where they misunderstand what's being written, twist it around, then pretend like they're right. Belly will ask a million damn questions, wait until there's something he doesn't understand, then pretend there's some sorta "gotcha! moment". Just ignore Rob and his many aliases.......it's a complete waste of time.


See if Singer responds to my post -- you know he won't, because I don't respond to his.

Good post. I mean, Rob was dumb enough to invite to a casino to sit with a player, explain his play, show them what to do, and look how many here responded to the offer!

[kewlJ]

There is literally nothing, and I mean LITERALLY NOTHING, that will change the minds of Singer, belly, Alan, slingshit, etc. If, for some reason, you were dumb enough to sit down next to them and explain to them exactly what you do, as well as bring them to the casino and show them what you do, it still wouldn't change one iota. They're always going to disagree with us, no matter what the subject matter is. They love to play these games where they misunderstand what's being written, twist it around, then pretend like they're right. Belly will ask a million damn questions, wait until there's something he doesn't understand, then pretend there's some sorta "gotcha! moment". Just ignore Rob and his many aliases.......it's a complete waste of time.


See if Singer responds to my post -- you know he won't, because I don't respond to his.

Good post. I mean, Rob was dumb enough to invite to a casino to sit with a player, explain his play, show them what to do, and look how many here responded to the offer!

What are you talking about slingshot? We don't know the facts on any of this yet. Still seems like a setup of something completely unrelated to me. But no need discussing it further as Axel and Rob are likely speaking privately now, which was what should have occurred all along. If this was a legit offer, no need to make it public until after the fact.

Now what RS_ is talking about is that that both sides, the AP's and anti-AP's have lost the ability to be objective in any discussion. A prime example is coach belly. He is calling someone (me) a liar because I posted "several emails", when I had received 2 emails. By definition several is more than two. I didn't know that until I looked it up. But when I made the statement I also didn't remember exactly how many emails I had received as it was several years ago. Was it 2 or 3? I honestly didn't remember. Saying "several" while maybe technically was inaccurate, was not intentionally meant to be as most things here are. Harping on that is Nit-picking and disingenuous!

YET this is the same guy (coach belly) who says nothing about Singers claims, most of which are mathematically impossible. Never issues his standard "prove it". I mean is THAT being objective? of course not.

About the closest thing we have to objective is Dan Druff, when he feels like doing his job. Occasionally, not often but occasionally, he will chime in with a short rebuttal of singers claims, something like "you know what you claim is impossible right?" That is it, that is the closest thing we get to objective on this forum.

[MaxPen]

Many people wrongly believe a few is 3 or more by definition. I'm pretty sure you could probably use some when talking about possibly 2 or 3. I definitely know that this Belly guy is a troll.

[coach belly]

Saying "several" while maybe technically was inaccurate, was not intentionally meant to be as most things here are. Harping on that is Nit-picking and disingenuous!

You posted lies about me on this forum, so you're already a proven liar.

Saying that you'll post an email, but never doing it is disingenuous...

I'll tell ya what. I will post the damn Rob.singer1111@yahoo email.

Saying that you found a quote, but refusing to post it is disingenuous...

It took me all of 4 minutes to find where Singer denied the email was from him

But claiming that you received "several extremely nasty, possibly illegal, emails from this very email address" (rob.singer1111@yahoo.com) when it was only one (if any) is a lie...it's an intentional fabrication of the truth.

Your intention was to prove Singer a liar over these emails.

There was no need to embellish or lie about them, just post the proof.

You may very well have the proof, what reason do you have to be dragging this out for so long?

[Rob.Singer]

To me this is all nonsense and I can see why kew is being dodgey and max is getting nervous. I never sent the idiot any emails and he knows it. Besides, it's stupid when I can have all sorts of fun embarrassing the clown here publicly.

[kewlJ]

Yes Sir.

I would LOVE to see these. But it's obvious kew is just concocting another one of his internet forum lies.

Since it is so obvious that I am concocting another internet forum lie, I propose a wager.

No money. It has been proven that you will not pay up and change the terms of the wager. So we will have these terms iron-clad and approved by Dan Druff.

If I am telling the truth and have the emails that you sent, you will be forever done here. Dan will ban Rob Singer and all sockpuppets current and future that use shared IP addresses.

And if I am lying and don't have the emails that you sent, I Will be done here under the same terms...permanently.

The proof and deciding factor will be the posting of emails. No grey area. Iron clad. What say you big mouth?

And this will include accounts that you create or have created using different masking IP services. Dan claims to be pretty good at detecting this. I am going to hold him to it. It will be like Buzz over at WoV when he was being banned every other day. Except the buzz situation was sort of humorous. Here it will be the proven liar and disgraced Robert Harry Argentino / Rob Singer pathetically banned again trying to post at VCT to impress his last 2 remaining supporters.

To me this is all nonsense and I can see why kew is being dodgey and max is getting nervous. I never sent the idiot any emails and he knows it. Besides, it's stupid when I can have all sorts of fun embarrassing the clown here publicly.

Are you accepting the terms of the wager then?? or just talking?

[kewlJ]

So this is now TWICE that this Rob Singer person has challenged that he didn't send me emails. Twice I have offered a wager based on me producing them. And after each time, no response from Rob Singer. And while it has only been an hour, he was logged on most of that hour. No response. What a piece of work this troll is. He is a 70 year old man (in a few days). How freaking embarrassing to be him.

[Rob.Singer]

If you had true, verifiable emails from me you'd have posted them by now. But you're a proven liar with wires already crossed upstairs, creating other underlying challenges.

Wise up.

[kewlJ]

If you had true, verifiable emails from me you'd have posted them by now. But you're a proven liar with wires already crossed upstairs, creating other underlying challenges.

Wise up.

And yet, STILL no acceptance of the terms. Just more of the Singer trollish tap dance.

[coach belly]

And yet, STILL no acceptance of the terms.

The first condition from your original challenge was this...

we will have these terms iron-clad and approved by Dan Druff.

Has that been accomplished?

If not, then what's stopping you from pursuing that?

There's no way for you to post or forward any email that can't be edited to show anything that you want it to show.

But quotes of old posts from other members can't be edited.

So...just post the quote where Singer denies the email address (rob.singer1111@yahoo.com) is his.

Your point would be made, your claim would be proven,
and this exercise would be over.

Why haven't you done that?