Big Casino Wins and Jackpots

[Rob.Singer]

This is funny, other than all the pie-in-the-sky talk. Alan constantly posts pictures of $2 and mostly $5 royals, and arci only claims to win some four-figure jackpots on the dollar machines, which he plays along with quarters & 50c. But if you were a newbie reader here you'd be compelled to think that it was arci with the deep pockets. Well, after all, he does need them to cover the new upcoming tax on medical devices....

[Alan Mendelson]

Perhaps if I played at the dollar level then I would have more "staying power" at the machines?? Arc might be playing a more appropriate level for his money than I am playing for my money?

Shelley and I almost went to Rincon tonight to play a little, but it was raining and the roads to Rincon are not the safest in the rain, so we didnt. When she goes with me she usually plays fifty-cent and I play one-dollar (even though she knows I play $5 almost all the time). We play at similar levels so we sit next to each other. (Last time she got a royal at 50-cents and I busted, LOL). But when I play dollars and dont hit I play a lot longer even when I get some moderate hits at $5.

[Rob.Singer]

You already know, Alan, that EVERYTHING arci does is better than what everyone else does, because he's a "tested genius" of course. Everything, that is, except for that fateful temporary move to LV, when he just didn't think far enough in advance with that superior brainpower of his, how his habit would play out down the road. I guess every genius pays.

[Vegas_lover]

You already know, Alan, that EVERYTHING arci does is better than what everyone else does

Than the both of you seem to be more alike than you'd wish since you're saying the exact same thing about yourself.

[Vegas Vic]

Haha....it's either spend time with a wife in a lonely house of pain, or create stupid arguments with unsupportable babble that helps fill in all that seemingly endless time of boredom that seems to never end. I'm glad it only takes a few moments to read about his tortuous life. We're getting ready to go out to the movies, dinner, and then some dancing. See what respecting a spouse nets, in "mathematical terms?!"

Really?? Was this necessary?

[Rob.Singer]

Mathematically, yes. Practically, it was FUN!

[arcimede$]

Really?? Was this necessary?

You have to understand that Singer lives a meaningless existence. He lies about everything and everybody. However, there are a few folks out there that believe his lies so he continues to spew them endlessly. It's all he has.

[JamieV]

Me and my future wife went to Las Vegas Dec. 26th-28th to escape the craziness of our family holidays. I planned on Las Vegas being fairly quiet during this time frame and surprisingly I was right. We stayed at the Flamingo and got upgraded to a mini-suite. My last trip to Flamingo was very unpleasant, so much so that I wrote a nasty letter to them via e-mail. When we arrived I was taken aback by the excellent customer service I received throughout the property. Valet, Diamond Check-In, Cashier, etc. were all prompt and courteous. The room was really nice as well (biggest I have stayed in thus far in Vegas). I had an offer for 300.00 in free play which I gave to the Mrs. and the rest of the bankroll was mine to use for craps. I had a fairly big loss last time in Vegas...roughly 1500.00-1700.00 so I was hesitant to play big this time. Nevertheless I played a few sessions and was up and down the whole time.

My big win came when I decided to try my luck at Margaritaville. Alan will kindly post the pic for verification, but I did leave a 2,000.00+ plus winner off of a 5-point fire I hit. I hit the Fire pretty quick too as two of the 5 numbers were made back to back. For example, set 4, next toss 4.

The trip was positive and it was a nice win before the start of the New Year. I will be back in Vegas for the Sweetheart Ball, First weekend of March, and April for Heavy's seminar. I don't plan on going anytime before those dates or in-between. I am currently saving to buy a house or condo and gambling is not conducive to saving money.



Click on the thumbnail to expand the photo.

[Alan Mendelson]

JamieV congratulations on hitting 5. For those not familiar with craps that's darn hard to do. The average craps shooter has five rolls of the dice per turn. In this case, we know that JamieV had at least ten rolls and that is if he rolled a point and made the point on successive rolls! Of course that would be an incredible performance.

So, how many rolls did it take you to get five different points made, and did you have any come out winners (7 or 11) and did you repeat any points before you hit all 5? And did you estimate the total number of rolls?

Also, when I expanded the photo (click on the thumbnail image) I noticed that the layout actually had a place for the World Bet (also known as Whirl Bet) and I never saw that before on a layout. Usually, the bet is just made with a chip placed at the corner of the any-7 box in the center of the table.

[JamieV]

I would say probably low 20s at the most. There was one other player and there were no stick changes made except during the pay-out and verification process. You can see the other player getting paid out 500 in black because he placed a two dollar Fire Bet. There were no repeaters, and maybe about 3 or 4 naturals (7, 11). I always wish they would let the shooter see the tape of the dice passing, would be pretty neat! Also, I wish they would post up pictures of players who hit 5-6 points of the Fire at the various casinos so players could see that it happens enough to warrant a bet.

[Rob.Singer]

JanieV congratulations for a great trip and I commend you for posting a picture, unlike any AP can or will seemingly do, of your win. I don't really understand the win because I've never played craps but it sounds like you played a negative game. So don't be surprised if some math professor stops by soon and snatches all that cash back

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob since you never played craps a quick primer on the game: Of course craps is a negative game and those of us who play it know that it is a negative game. And that is why "dice influencing" was conceived and why so many practice trying to exert some influence on the two dice. The only way to win at craps is somehow to influence which numbers show and which numbers don't show. There is no betting scheme, there is no math play that will make you a winner at craps. If you can't somehow alter the random results of two dice you are doomed over the long term. But that doesn't mean you will catch a "hot hand" when variance will be on your side.

And that raises the question can anyone alter the randomized results of two thrown dice?

By the way, I just got in from a night at Rincon. I had about $1100 of free play on Thursday, and I arrived there about 8pm to start playing it. Strange night.

I loaded all $1100 on a $2 aces and faces game and played on it for about 4 hours and had a couple quads but for the most part the grind took all $1100. So I hit the ATM for $500 which was my budget for the evening and went to the $5 aces and faces machine that loves me (the one that gave me the royal in December). And here's where I wish I kept to my win goal of $2,000 that I set for the night.

With $500 in the machine I started getting quads, and they came at a good pace and with about $1200 on the machine (started with $500) I got quad aces shortly after midnight (W2G pink slip on the left in the photo). Now I had $3200 and a profit of $2700. I should have left, but I didn't. I kept playing. By 3:35 this morning, I was down to only $350... but I hit quad aces again. So I was back up to $2350 less my original $500 for a net gain of $1850. See what I am getting at? Had I quit after the first quad aces I would have left with a bigger profit.

Click on the thumbnail photo below to enlarge the W2Gs. Im posting the pinks of the W2Gs because I didn't think to take photos of the machines.... quad aces seem mundane these days. (LOL)

Of course I got greedy after the first quad aces -- kept playing to start the year with a royal, but it didn't happen.

[Rob.Singer]

I think I now know your mindset when you play Alan: you may have a goal and if you surpass it you'll play until you hit a royal, you get back down to it, or the wife calls and says come home. Sometimes. Other times you just play for something to do and whatever happens happens.

Now compare that to what an AP says they do--sit for long boring stints not caring if they hit a royal or not because they're there for X amount of hours, and if they win they win, or if they lose they lose and at least they can claim a pile of phantom bucks.

[arcimede$]

And a nice "pile" they are. What's more they spend exactly like every other buck. Think about it, what kind of mind believes money earned via cashback, freeplay or promotions isn't real? Obviously, a mind lacking any real substance. Of course, we already knew that.

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob and Arci: I can understand the strategy or formula of an AP if it is to sit at a positive expectation machine for a set number of hours each day. I can understand that. But isn't there a loss limit? Or do they sit there for XX hours even if it means maxing out every credit card they own? Positive machines don't necessarily give you a winning session. Arc wrote that he has more losing sessions than winning, but the few winning sessions give him enough of a profit to offset the losing sessions. But what if they didnt?

OK so Arc will come back with "you're giving us more what if's Alan!" But Arc, it is all about what if's. We all budget and we all go through life with what if's. What if our company's sales are weak, what if there is a storm and customers don't shop, what if gas prices go up, what if interest rates go up, what if the bank is shut by the government, what if we lose our health benefits, what if, what if, what if.

This is why loss limits should be used over and above a formula or strategy that tells you to play a machine for a certain number of hours.
Now, if you are playing a denomination that is so low that it is immune from the what if's -- for example if I was playing 5-cent video poker -- then having a loss limit wouldn't matter. But what fun or excitement is there playing at a low denomination where winning becomes mundane? (Mundane, I like that word today.)

[Rob.Singer]

Alan, all you'll ever get from arci is theory and how it works spot-on for him. He doesn't play like he says and only wishes it worked book-perfect, just like he wishes his foolhardy move to LV and his dreadful retirement worked out. I've never met any AP, including myself and the Wizard of Odds along with hundreds of others from all over LV, who've said AP worked for them and that they are winners because of it. So obviously, arci's only living a long-term dream that makes him feel good after being shocked that it just doesn't work that way in the real world. And when you understand this along with the challenges he has in his declining years with no hope ahead, you can easily summize why he both makes it all up about himself and tells nothing but lies about me. Look at it as I do--sheer entertainment!

[arcimede$]

Rob and Arci: I can understand the strategy or formula of an AP if it is to sit at a positive expectation machine for a set number of hours each day. I can understand that. But isn't there a loss limit? Or do they sit there for XX hours even if it means maxing out every credit card they own? Positive machines don't necessarily give you a winning session. Arc wrote that he has more losing sessions than winning, but the few winning sessions give him enough of a profit to offset the losing sessions. But what if they didnt?

Another "what if". Good grief, Alan ... are you ever going to start thinking beyond anecdotal silliness?

OK so Arc will come back with "you're giving us more what if's Alan!" But Arc, it is all about what if's. We all budget and we all go through life with what if's. What if our company's sales are weak, what if there is a storm and customers don't shop, what if gas prices go up, what if interest rates go up, what if the bank is shut by the government, what if we lose our health benefits, what if, what if, what if.

Alan, your problem is your "what ifs" are always negative on the things you don't want to believe (what if you lose on a positive machine) and positive on the things you want to believe (what if I always hit my win goals). Therefore, you are constantly reinforcing your beliefs. Unfortunately, your beliefs are wrong and those mind games are keeping your from increasing your knowledge.

This is why loss limits should be used over and above a formula or strategy that tells you to play a machine for a certain number of hours.
Now, if you are playing a denomination that is so low that it is immune from the what if's -- for example if I was playing 5-cent video poker -- then having a loss limit wouldn't matter. But what fun or excitement is there playing at a low denomination where winning becomes mundane? (Mundane, I like that word today.)

I have a loss limit of sorts in that I only bring so much money to the casino. I run out once or twice a year. I also get in most of my planned playing time as well.

Here's a what if for you. The other day I was down $1200 after about 1.5 hours. What if I had a loss limit of $1000? I would have left. Now, that happens to be the day I hit 7 $1000 jackpots and went home ahead $4700. Also, I hit a RF in my last 10 minutes of a session last year. What if I had left? See, those "what ifs" can work both ways.

That's why "what ifs" are silly nonsense. We have mathematics so we don't have to fool with those near infinite "what ifs". If we use that math we can plan our play so that we maximize our opportunity. That is what intelligent gamblers do.

[Alan Mendelson]

Arc, of course what if's can work both ways. But loss limits keep you from throwing good money after bad.

And I am surprised you said "The other day I was down $1200 after about 1.5 hours. What if I have a loss limit of $1000? I would have left. Now, that happens to be the day I hit 7 $1000 jackpots and went home ahead $4700" because don't you believe that video poker is just one continuous session and you would have had the same chance to hit those on another day?

What happened is you got lucky. But what if you didn't? You see Arc, these "what if's" are there to keep you from going over the cliff -- they make you stop and catch your breath. The casinos will still be there tomorrow, and next week.

[arcimede$]

Arc, of course what if's can work both ways. But loss limits keep you from throwing good money after bad.

No, they don't. You're assuming you will continue to lose. But that is not true as my "what if" above demonstrated.

And I am surprised you said "The other day I was down $1200 after about 1.5 hours. What if I have a loss limit of $1000? I would have left. Now, that happens to be the day I hit 7 $1000 jackpots and went home ahead $4700" because don't you believe that video poker is just one continuous session and you would have had the same chance to hit those on another day?

What happened is you got lucky. But what if you didn't? You see Arc, these "what if's" are there to keep you from going over the cliff -- they make you stop and catch your breath. The casinos will still be there tomorrow, and next week.

The point is all hands have the same odds. Going home does not change the odds on your next hand. You seem to have some belief in magical fairies that will change your fortune the next time you play.

Now, I'm not saying leaving will hurt you, it simply will have no effect over time. Your results will approach the ER of your play no matter what you do. So, if you aren't having fun then that is a good reason to leave. However, doing poorly over a recent stretch of hands is meaningless.

[arcimede$]

Alan, all you'll ever get from arci is theory and how it works spot-on for him.

That's 'cause it's true.

He doesn't play like he says and only wishes it worked book-perfect, just like he wishes his foolhardy move to LV and his dreadful retirement worked out.

I play exactly like I say I do, so once again robki lies. My move to LV was great and my retirement has been fantastic. Once again robki lies, lies and then lies some more.

I've never met any AP, including myself and the Wizard of Odds along with hundreds of others from all over LV, who've said AP worked for them and that they are winners because of it.

You may have never met them personally but you have met them online. So, chalk up more lies. Last year I had another 5 figure winning year and I wasn't very lucky overall. Nine straight winning years. That's what happens when a person applies theory intelligently.

So obviously, arci's only living a long-term dream that makes him feel good after being shocked that it just doesn't work that way in the real world. And when you understand this along with the challenges he has in his declining years with no hope ahead, you can easily summize why he both makes it all up about himself and tells nothing but lies about me. Look at it as I do--sheer entertainment!

If it's a dream world then hopefully I won't wake up. For example, my bowling series on Thursday was a 784 (261 average) and then in practice yesterday I had 25 strikes in a row. Looks like my game is coming around just fine. Now robki has something else to envy.