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This thread and some of the responses have been pretty revealing.
So, I have expressed my opinion about MDawg's "adventures". I enjoy reading the trip reports and accounts of his Las Vegas visits, seeing pictures of the suits. I have expressed my opinion that he is what would be described as a mini whale or whale jr. And that's what I believe he is. A -EV player, who may have some winning play, but loses in the long-term. Just the kind of player Las Vegas was built on.
With his claims of 40 winning trips in a row, I have given him the benefit of doubt, suggesting he is either exaggerating or experiencing "selective memory", which are pretty common among losing gamblers. It might not even be their intention to deceive...they just remember the good or winning and tend to dismiss and quickly forget the losing. An example would be my grandfather, a life long horse racing guy. Of course he was a huge life time losing player. But when I would ask him how he did over his lifetime, I always got the "about even" reply. My grandfather wasn't out to decisive me. He believed that. His stories were always about the big wins, the trifecta he hit with a 60-1 shot on top....that kind of thing. Because THAT is what he remembers. The losses, quickly vanish from his memory.
AP's focus on the math. We know what is and isn't possible. But every once in a while someone comes along claiming they were able to achieve the impossible, to defy the math. The biggest example on this forum is of course Rob Singer. His claims are not possible by the math. Not to the longterm results that he claims. Rob retorts this by trying to disavow the idea of long-term. He claims in the short term a player can defy expectation and he is right to some degree. But then he claims the player can simply do so again and again and again. This is where he is wrong. (Think roulette. Can you hit black 3 out of 4? Absolutely. Can you hit black 3 out of 4 a thousand times in a row? absolutely not).
So here is the funny part: MDawg comes along, claiming to defy the math on a short term basis (as he has offered no other explanation). So who is the biggest critic, calling him out as a phony? Rob Singer. Apparently Rob can defy the math short-term, but someone else comes along claiming to, can't.
But what it says to me, is that Rob knows how the math works. Most losing, degenerate gamblers do, even if they can't admit it. And because Rob knows, he calls MDawg out as a phony. What is the saying?....takes one to know one.
But what it really says to me is that Rob's whole act is fiction. He thinks he is playing a character, from his anti-math claims right down to his nasty, try to be as dislikeable as possible characteristic. It's fiction and Rob is playing the part of the villain. It's all make believe. How did I do Rob?
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Short answer...yes. There is the possibility that MDawg is engaged in some sort of advanced advantage technique that he isn't telling us about or is leaving out. If he were doing something like that it would be understandable that he might leave that out, but it would still fall under deception. The story is simply NOT how it has been presented.
What are you saying, that while he has been reporting consecutive winning sessions, he has actually been losing...that there have been unreported losing sessions?
Has he been deceptive in his explanation of his playing strategy, or have the recounting of his playing sessions been deceptive?
For instance, when he reported that he was down $15K and bet and won $15K on the next hand to get back to even...do you think that didn't happen, or that he found and exploited some advantage for that big winning hand?
Could he have been down 15k and won 15k on the next hand? sure. That is equivalent to the winning 3 of 4 black analogy. In a small sample size....of course.
I am talking bigger picture. I don't believe 40 or 60 or 80 or whatever number is being thrown around, winning "trips" in a row. Not unless there is some information that we are not being told about.
I haven't read all MDawgs reports. I have read very little at WoV. But near as I can tell, he has been pretty evasive about how he is winning....what he is doing that would give him an advantage that would explain his constant winning. A little bit of mention of progressive wagering, and that is not going to do it. If that is what we are back to.....that progressive wagering can turn -EV play into winning +EV play, then we are right back in RoB's alternative reality. Like I said the only interesting part to that is that Rob eternally argues that he can win by progressive wagering, but someone else comes along claiming so and Rob, argues the opposite. Why? Because he knows his whole deal is fiction.
BUT, honestly, all I know for sure, is that the story as told by MDawg, is incomplete. Something is not being told to us. Either what he is doing that allows him to win (backed by mathematically sound principals) or he is leaving out the losing and only telling us about the winning. But it is not the way it is being presented.
One thing that never changes is when someone claims something that is mathematically improbable, Coach is always there to defend them. Of course BS is going to be called out on these forums because it is. I suggested IF MDawg wants to show us how wrong we are he could post 2019 casino Win/Loss statements, but we all know he won’t.
And Cosmo isn’t giving Wraparounds to long term winners, nor is any other casino. But we all also know that, as he does. He enjoys writing and has nothing to prove to any of us. To me he is a better writer than Dark Oz. So that’s a plus.
As for Coach, his act never changes. He likes to believe, dream and defend the impossible. By the way Coach, you still shilling for that shitty Shorty guy and his band?
You and I both know these wagers never happen because no one can agree on the terms. And for someone like MDawg there is no upside if he is as rich as he claims to be. And I don’t doubt he is that rich.
And he has no incentive to disclose them for any wager between you and I.
But I’ll ask you if think he can show $25,000+ wins from 3 casinos on table games in 2019.
By the way, how’s your pal Shorty doing?
The terms can be worked out once there's a commitment in principle from both parties.
I wouldn't be betting, unless I knew what his W/L statements showed.
But he knows what they show, so betting would be a sure thing for him, and if it's worth his while to bet on chance then he should accept a bet on a sure thing.
So it's just a matter of getting the commitments.
Since your brought up the W/L statements, and seem sure that he lost overall for 2019...how much are you willing to wager?
No I don't think he's been evasive, I'm not sure what's been implied about a possible advantage..edge sorting?
And pressing into a streak like he recounted doesn't seem mysterious, extraordinary or impossible...is it any of those things?
Some of stupidest stuff ever posted by you, in a history of stupidity.
You wouldn’t bet unless you knew what was on them. So obviously you don’t believe it 100% either.
And why would he accept a bet if he knew he couldn’t prove It?
What is there to commit to?
You can’t be this stupid, can you?
If you want to believe this guy found the holy grail of Baccarat, you go right ahead.
And how’s shilling for your buddy Shorty and his dive bar band going?
Of course he wouldn't accept the bet if he knows he can't prove it.
That's the whole point of you offering the bet...to show that he can't prove it.
If you commit to bet him some substantial amount, then he should accept the bet if his W/L statements show an overall table-game win, since it's a sure thing for him.
So what are you waiting for? Throw down...how much are you willing to wager?
If his W/L statements show a win for 2019, then would you accept that as proof that he won overall for 2019?
Why would I make a bet that is a no win situation for me? How stupid are you?
If, and he won’t do it so it’s a non starter, he showed substantial winnings from multiple casinos in 2029, yes I would believe him. Even with knowing W/l statements are not totally accurate.
But he has no incentive to show me or anyone else, he likes to write fictional stories and enjoys it. You seem to be the only one who thinks it’s legit. But you always do, or just like to play the contrarian.
By the way, hows your buddy Shorty and his band doing?
If you are right about him, then you can win.
If you offer to bet him something substantial, and his W/L statements show a win, then he'll do it.
After all, he's betting $15K a hand on baccarat not knowing what will happen. Why wouldn't he bet you $15K on a sure thing?
You're accusing him of lying. If you're so sure that he is, then throw down...what are you waiting for?
Are you really this stupid? How can I win?? Can someone else explain this to Coach or is he just that stupid?
How can I win? If I am right about him he will not take the bet. It’s that simple. Why would he?
Yes he is Lying about his story or writing fiction. I’m not afraid to say it. Some say selective memory but I’m not buying it. When he throws stuff in about winning everytime and being able to read the flow of the cards, you know it’s Bull Shit.
As I said, it’s fiction writing and some enjoy it. Nothing more.
How’s Shorty doing? With your lack of an answer I can assume the bum sold his guitar for a few more spins of the Roulette wheel. And owes you money.
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