Okay light weight. You think you want some of me? Let's go. You already proved you're chicken to play me. What's your problem now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Yung
= Moses.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
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Okay light weight. You think you want some of me? Let's go. You already proved you're chicken to play me. What's your problem now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Yung= Moses.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Maybe you can answer this bullshit from KJ. It took only a few minutes for it come out, after BadBeet questioned his long-term advantage. We didn't get to even the blackjack stuff. Ha, KJ making one monster bet each time the count is high. Completely against the advice of any blackjack authority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill YungYou still haven't answered what was really my first question to you. How do you justify your words above? You're the mathematical guy too. Right? Well, enlighten us.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
You guys tacitly stick together here, so regale us with some of that math youze always talk about.
To say KJ and I stick together? Well, firstly you are clearly not as bright as you claim. Did you even read the numbers I posted? Or are you gazing at spaceships and theorizing again this morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Yung
I've ridiculed KJ in ways that would make Singer sound like Mary Poppins. As for the math? Fuck the math for about the 100th time. It's a game of people played with cards. You exercise your advantage when the time is right. Not these friggin thresholds that would take 150 years of non stop playing in order to balance. That's for selling books and dreams. I've yet to walk up to some homeless guy and say "gee, what in the world happened"? O I never split my 66vs2 and went broke.
Bill, with all due respect, you're just some anonymous dude with an agenda. KewlJ shouldn't answer any of your questions. There's no point to it. What could he possibly answer that would result in you saying, "Yeah, I was wrong."Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Yung
Be honest, Bill. What could KJ possibly post here that would result in you saying, "I was wrong?"
If you don't have a clear immediate answer, then you're just wasting everybody's time and forum space.
Clock is ticking, Bill.
Like MrV lays into the Wizard. The Wizard couldn't have a better friend. These forums are "deathly" afraid of someone standing up to them.
Btw, still waiting on an answer to my first question to KJ. He tried to deflect by saying that he knows nothing of poker. Lol. Yet, he, himself, made the above claim, with bold letters.
Incessant + delusional + fantasy = KJ, and all the other bigwig gamblers.
KJ is dead here.
Bill, if you don't have some immediate answer for what would convince you of this or that, then you're wasting space on this forum. So I'll ask again, "What could KJ say that would convince you he does what he claims?"
If you don't have an answer, you're just some anonymous preacher. You're wasting forum space.
Being a "bigwig" gambler, as you put it, isn't about how hard you can swat. But how well you can duck IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Yung
Okay Bill. Let me ask you a question. The deck composition is 60% A-9s with at least 2 Aces remaining. 40% 2-7s remaining. The 8 is silent. The 2-4s and 5-7s are each 50% remaining of the 40% remaining. In other words, perfectly split. Now I can play two hands. Double on hard 10,11. Split. Hit or stand. Plus get 3.2 on a blackjack in a deck composition loaded with 10s and Aces. I can insure both hands vs A and I know exactly what has been played and exactly what still remains in the deck.
The dealer can only hit or stand. They must hit up to a soft 17 and stand on a hard 17. Who is in the position of power here? Me or the dealer? And you call THIS gambling.
By deck composition do you mean one deck?
Yes. But I could do it with 2. I wouldn't touch a shoe. They go on my feet. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Good for you. How many decks does Fairytale play against. I thought his fairytales were being examined, not yours.
So did I. But Bill chose to take a shot at me. Let me ask you sir, because I think you're a bright and resourceful guy. Probably make a lot of money in the stock market. No?
Do you consider the deck composition described in 210 to be a fairy tale? Seems like a fairly sound investment to me.
I was visiting with a friend last night that invests in stocks. He does a lot of day trading. He explained a report came out on CNN that caused his stock to plunge and he was leverage to lose his initial investment. A day later CNN reported that was 3 weeks old and they were just reporting it as news. Now the stock soared. How is that NOT gambling?
Your friend sounds like an asshole. Tell him to stay out of the market. Besides only idiots could possibly take CNN serious about any subject especially anything to do with wall street.
That was my thought. Heckuva nice guy. He has a ton of money but keeps working because he doesn't know what he'll do during retirement. He and his wife flew out for the Breeders Cup. They don't have much gambling in Colorado. He loves to golf and lives on a golf course. I'd downsize to a townhouse and buy a townhouse on a golf course in Az. Then he could golf 12 months out of the year instead of 6.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
I'm sitting entirely in bonds right now. But a couple of more downturns and I will start investing in some Sectors of the market.
Thanks. Good to know. My 82 year young friend Lou echo's your sentiments. I never listen to the sound. Too many conflicting reports and theories. "See the numbers - don't listen to the noise" has been my notion.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
How is it that the long-term win-loss rate or graph for poker players is any different from any other game, given each EV? How is it that he simulates his plays when there is no (fantasy) simulator that follows his many different types of (fantasy) plays? How is it possible to "blow through" shoes of heads-up play, and, at the same time, card count one or two more tables? Making one whopper bet when the count is high, and, then, leaving, doesn't attract immediate and fatal attention? The casino can't know what he is doing? That he has any life at the casino seven days a week trying to find some way to improve on his bullshit?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I mean, ask KJ about sticking out at empty tables. He says he plays off the strip (where there are other players.) Ask him about how he plays 100,000 hands a year. He's back to heads-up.
I don't have to know what Moses is doing. Only that he and Mickey gave, in one form or another, full endorsement to KJ.
Say, what happened to KJ's big mouth to answering all of my useless "gotcha" questions?
P.S. The clock is still ticking. No?
I don't know anything about blackjack, but I know the hands per hour rate. To play 100,000 hands in a year with no heads up would take a maximum of five hours per day if things were always slow. A more usual rate would require four hours per day. Mix in some heads up, and it takes three hours per day or less. Unless you play at some casino that hires special olympics dealers, the reported number of hands is not an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill YungHow is it that the long-term win-loss rate or graph for poker players is any different from any other game, given each EV? How is it that he simulates his plays when there is no (fantasy) simulator that follows his many different types of (fantasy) plays? How is it possible to "blow through" shoes of heads-up play, and, at the same time, card count one or two more tables? Making one whopper bet when the count is high, and, then, leaving, doesn't attract immediate and fatal attention? The casino can't know what he is doing? That he has any life at the casino seven days a week trying to find some way to improve on his bullshit?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I mean, ask KJ about sticking out at empty tables. He says he plays off the strip (where there are other players.) Ask him about how he plays 100,000 hands a year. He's back to heads-up.
I don't have to know what Moses is doing. Only that he and Mickey gave, in one form or another, full endorsement to KJ.
Say, what happened to KJ's big mouth to answering all of my useless "gotcha" questions?
P.S. The clock is still ticking. No?
So there goes one of Bill's gotchas. And this is coming from someone, me, who knows zilch about blackjack. It indicates that Bill may know less than zilch. Now I don't know for a fact that kewlJ does anything that he reports here, but the one argument of Bill's that I know a little about is actually a validation of kewlJ's reportage, not a debunking.
Bill, would you agree that you were wrong regarding those particular rate questions, or is what you have a belief system, not a hypothesis? Let's hear it, "I was wrong regarding the rate questions." You can do it, Bill.
It's not good when someone who knows nothing about blackjack can do a gotcha on someone's else's gotcha argument. Let me check my math -- 100,000 hands divided by 60. That would be the same as 10,000 divided by 6. That is 1666. Now 1666 divided by number of days in the year yields 4.56 hours a day. Now if we use the more likely slow rate of 80 hands per hour -- let's try it. We have 100,000 hands divided by 80 equals 1250. The 1250 divided by 365 days yields 3.42 hours per day. Boy, mix in some heads up, and the hours per day is really low.
Wait, maybe I'm wrong. I'm using my dollar store big-ass calculator that I use for punting averages (easy to read). Let me do the math on the computer calculator.
Nope, numbers are the same. Bill, will you do me a favor and say, "I was wrong regarding the rate questions?" It'll be good for your soul. It'll be like Fonzie when he had to say for the first time "I was w-w-wr-wr-wro-wro-wrong" on Happy Days. You'd be doing coolness.
And Bill, head to the Dollar Store sometime. They have lovely calculators.
I seem to recall that a blackjack dealer goes through about three eight-deck shoes an hour, with about 15 hands a shoe for a full table. Be my guest, work it out. Who cares?
In my questions to KJ, I wrote about playing every hand at a table with about four or five players, on average. That requires about 16 shoes a day? It's a better way to play if you want to wait to make a big bet, and, then, leave. You see a bunch more cards without having to bet on all of them.
Btw, you can wait for a particular card count to make your big bet, but it makes a lot more sense to bet along with the count to whichever highs and lows result, as you don't know where the composition of a deck heads.
You've never played BJ? Do you know how long five hours is at a blackjack table to a card counter? You have no f'ing idea what you are talking about. Just the mental fatigue involved. The dealers shift off, every twenty minutes. If you're lucky, they won't throw in a "ringer" to completely wreck your game, if you are actually making any money.
Redietz, take your calculations, and shove those the rest of the way up your ass.
If you don't believe it who gives a fuck?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill YungMrV could no more see into your head than any of the rest of us. What's in there has nothing to do with what you claimed about your heart valve. Btw, why should anyone believe that either.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ