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Originally Posted by Mission146

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Originally Posted by Seedvalue

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Originally Posted by Mission146

Actually, I can add to it…though I’m slightly further from 100% sure…that Seedvalue’s conversation with me wouldn’t have made sense even if he works with WoN or is even on speaking terms with him.

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Bro book it I’m not Toll. If you need anymore confirmation feel free to PM me and I will provide.

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I wouldn’t be concerned about it if you were WoN. As you know, we had a conversation that simply wouldn’t have made any sense in the world coming from him in the context of SeedValue.

That said, I’m not going to say I’m 100% without seeing you in person and watching you log in to VCT. Even then, I’d only say someone who was not WoN logged into Seedvalue’s account on VCT.

Nothing to prove as far as I go and nor do I care. I’m willing to arbitrate it should there be something by which someone else wants it proven to their satisfaction, but I have no reason to be concerned, personally.

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It’s all good I personally don’t really want to dox this fraud. Not my thing but he’s definitely pushing the limits of the code with this toll narrative

How did we get back to even discussing the possibility that Seedvalue is JWT. I thought that was long ago settled when Druff weighted in. I certainly accepted Druffs opinion that they are not one and the same and I suspect it is more than just a casual opinion.

Yes, when Seedvalue showed up here with his craziness, I suggested he was JWT. This was based on conversations with two people privately who thought he was. I don't believe I have ever had interaction with JWT/WoN so I wouldn't really know. So when Druff stated that it was not JWT, one of the two online said if it isn't JWT it is someone associated with him. This is a person who I always respected and usually has good information. Now no one told me to initially post that it was JWT. I made that decision. And that is why I never mentioned who it was. I took the heat from seedvalue for my original post. And I even apologized.

So how did we get back to any discussion that the two are one and the same?

Just because seedvalue is a dick and insecure about his dick, does NOT mean he is Jeff. JWT does not have the monopoly on being crazy scamming lowlifes

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Originally Posted by Seedvalue

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by MisterV

Good plan, KJ.

Money is only one facet of life: if you have enoiugh then the prospect of "more" shouldn't be too compelling.

Besides, these trolls are a desperate, conniving, lying bunch and their word is NOT to be trusted: they only want to hurt you.

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MrV, I have and make enough money to live comfortably by my standards. If it ended today, I am not ready financially to retire, so no I am not set or have enough money.

But it isn't all about money for me either. Never has been. I have always had the ability to play higher stakes and make more money. Lots of guys went that route. And most make more money for a year or two and end up writing books or running 'bootcamps'. I loved the inside the edge documentary that KC did. But it lasted a year and after finishing well below his high he made 600k.

I chose longevity and came up with a plan for longevity making a comfortable amount. I am 14 years in and still going.

But again, I chose what I do and don't do. I am not one of those guys that thinks advantage play means you can do anything, legal or not, ethical or not. I have different standards. I shared one example of this years ago, when I quit hole-carding after several months. I was setting my alarm for 3am, to get to a casino at 4am to play with a dealer that was pretty blatantly exposing his hole card. Absolutely nothing illegal about hole-carding. But it clicked for me, that was not the way I wanted to win or make money. I wanted to play my game, blackjack completely by the rules the casino had established and win, using my brain. THAT is my standard of advantage play.

I don't hold it against any other player that chooses to do things I would not do or not be comfortable doing. This industry cheats and steals every chance they get. So they deserve whatever other players do. I just have my own standards of what I am comfortable with.

So yes, MrV, you are right money isn't everything...at least to me. :cool:

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Bro give me a fucking break !! Now you’re to good for hole carding ? Lmao we all
Know you stole that from Tommy Hyland. My god you’re a fucking fraud just taking bits and pieces from multiple legitimate player’s stories crafting this internet persona. Do you realize how insane you are ?

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This isn't the new thing, he said this sort of thing before, and I too called him out on it. It was another one of those things that made me say hmm and made absolutely no sense.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

How did we get back to even discussing the possibility that Seedvalue is JWT. I thought that was long ago settled when Druff weighted in. I certainly accepted Druffs opinion that they are not one and the same and I suspect it is more than just a casual opinion.

Yes, when Seedvalue showed up here with his craziness, I suggested he was JWT. This was based on conversations with two people privately who thought he was. I don't believe I have ever had interaction with JWT/WoN so I wouldn't really know. So when Druff stated that it was not JWT, one of the two online said if it isn't JWT it is someone associated with him. This is a person who I always respected and usually has good information. Now no one told me to initially post that it was JWT. I made that decision. And that is why I never mentioned who it was. I took the heat from seedvalue for my original post. And I even apologized.

So how did we get back to any discussion that the two are one and the same?

Just because seedvalue is a dick and insecure about his dick, does NOT mean he is Jeff. JWT does not have the monopoly on being crazy scamming lowlifes

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You mentioned it two pages back and implied it might just be Druff’s opinion. I was simply corroborating Druff’s maybe/maybe not opinion with my opinion. My opinion being what it is, I assume, for a different reason than Druff has.

I don’t read here every day. I sometimes go weeks or a month or two without even looking here at all. When I do, I often don’t read back too far…so I had no idea about everything else your post says. Or, if I did see it, I forgot.

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

This isn't the new thing, he said this sort of thing before, and I too called him out on it. It was another one of those things that made me say hmm and made absolutely no sense.

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Then say "hmm". :D I probably am not explaining it great. It isn't necessarily the hole-carding. I encounter dealers showing their hole-card every now and then. And I don't pretend I don't see it. And I adjust my play accordingly, unless it is something so blatant it would be obvious like hitting a hard 18 or 19 vs dealer 10 (because you know it is a 20). :D And I just can't emphasize enough how it isn't illegal.

It was the setting the alarm to go chasing after a weak dealer that just clicked with me. It was the 'what the fuck am I doing' moment for me.

Now here is something that might make you say hummmm (extra m's). I network with several blackjack players. Usually they don't give out anything useful, but occasionally they will give a location and/or dealer that is dealing deeper penetration that normal. Dealing 5.5 out of 6. And I have taken that info and gone running to that game. Now you might ask, what is the difference between taking advantage of a dealer dealing extra deep penetration and taking advantage of a dealer hole-carding and I don't have a great answer for that question. It is just me. It just didn't feel right to me...especially the setting the alarm for 3am and chasing after him like that.

I played the big six wheel or whatever it is called for 6 months using Grosjean's method. I think I was responsible for T.I. going to automated wheels because I was kicking ass against the asian girls clocking their spins. I had a bit of that same feeling, like this isn't right. Not illegal. Just not right for me.

In the end I am a blackjack card counter. No matter what else I do...VP, side bets, plays that someone may teach me, sports betting that I am doing now, I am and always will be a blackjack card counter at heart. THAT is who I am, despite what most people here think of card counting which isn't much.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

How did we get back to even discussing the possibility that Seedvalue is JWT. I thought that was long ago settled when Druff weighted in. I certainly accepted Druffs opinion that they are not one and the same and I suspect it is more than just a casual opinion.

Yes, when Seedvalue showed up here with his craziness, I suggested he was JWT. This was based on conversations with two people privately who thought he was. I don't believe I have ever had interaction with JWT/WoN so I wouldn't really know. So when Druff stated that it was not JWT, one of the two online said if it isn't JWT it is someone associated with him. This is a person who I always respected and usually has good information. Now no one told me to initially post that it was JWT. I made that decision. And that is why I never mentioned who it was. I took the heat from seedvalue for my original post. And I even apologized.

So how did we get back to any discussion that the two are one and the same?

Just because seedvalue is a dick and insecure about his dick, does NOT mean he is Jeff. JWT does not have the monopoly on being crazy scamming lowlifes

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You got my full attention today thongJ as I got pinched on a play. So I’ve had some time to read all your bullshit !!

Here you are again implying that I’m some type of scammer. If you had any fucking clue what I’ve done for others in this game you would punch your own self in the mouth for saying such BS.

I get that you envy all the people you read about, and so desperately want to be like them so you have created this facade. However where you get into trouble is when you challenge or make up shit about legitimate APs. Not the fags on discord or X that jerk each other off over $1 Buffalo plays, or green chipping but real MFs. Guys and teams who push every edge gray, black, white whatever you call to the max.

It’s fucking disrespectful to take their stories and experiences as your own. Eventually people are going to call you out and look into all the shit you post. Again I’ve never scammed anyone in my life. So I would fucking advise you to STFU.

O and another thing it’s pretty dumb for someone in your position to keep challenging Mdawg regardless of what you believe. Someone with the resources and time to plot revenge. You have to be one of the stupidest guys ever to post. Seriously

FraudJ is virtually nauseating.

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

FraudJ is virtually nauseating.

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I assure you the feeling is mutual.

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Originally Posted by Seedvalue

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

How did we get back to even discussing the possibility that Seedvalue is JWT. I thought that was long ago settled when Druff weighted in. I certainly accepted Druffs opinion that they are not one and the same and I suspect it is more than just a casual opinion.

Yes, when Seedvalue showed up here with his craziness, I suggested he was JWT. This was based on conversations with two people privately who thought he was. I don't believe I have ever had interaction with JWT/WoN so I wouldn't really know. So when Druff stated that it was not JWT, one of the two online said if it isn't JWT it is someone associated with him. This is a person who I always respected and usually has good information. Now no one told me to initially post that it was JWT. I made that decision. And that is why I never mentioned who it was. I took the heat from seedvalue for my original post. And I even apologized.

So how did we get back to any discussion that the two are one and the same?

Just because seedvalue is a dick and insecure about his dick, does NOT mean he is Jeff. JWT does not have the monopoly on being crazy scamming lowlifes

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You got my full attention today thongJ as I got pinched on a play. So I’ve had some time to read all your bullshit !!

Here you are again implying that I’m some type of scammer. If you had any fucking clue what I’ve done for others in this game you would punch your own self in the mouth for saying such BS.

I get that you envy all the people you read about, and so desperately want to be like them so you have created this facade. However where you get into trouble is when you challenge or make up shit about legitimate APs. Not the fags on discord or X that jerk each other off over $1 Buffalo plays, or green chipping but real MFs. Guys and teams who push every edge gray, black, white whatever you call to the max.

It’s fucking disrespectful to take their stories and experiences as your own. Eventually people are going to call you out and look into all the shit you post. Again I’ve never scammed anyone in my life. So I would fucking advise you to STFU.

O and another thing it’s pretty dumb for someone in your position to keep challenging Mdawg regardless of what you believe. Someone with the resources and time to plot revenge. You have to be one of the stupidest guys ever to post. Seriously

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I don't doubt that you are a real AP. Too many people vouching for you or at least thinking you are. But you are a sleazebag. The things you made up about me and repeated for a solid year is just ridiculous. Not only a lie, but just juvenile and retarded. Anything you think you know about me probably came from Mdawg and he lies and repeats lies as much as anybody I have ever encountered including Singer.

I am not on discord. I think I was for a day or two about 6-7 years ago when I used to communicate privately with Ryemo. I think he was more normal then, from what I hear these days. And I am not on twitter/X, or at least have never posted or tweeted. I did make an account back when mickeycrimm was going through his heart attack, just to follow him and updates for a brief time.

So tell me, who's story did I steal. Who has a story anywhere close to what my experiences are? tell me because I want to read it. I have read a couple AP's and card counters that had similar starts,, starting out very underfunded and building a decent bankroll. One was on GWAE I believe, maybe using the name "joe". But these guys all started after me, after I had already shared that part of my story. I don't think they copied me, but if there was any copying going on that is how it had to be because of the timing.

Despite similarities in some stories, especially the starting out with a BR of 4-5k, I just think that is how some of us started. And for everyone, still around to talk about it, there were probably 1000, maybe 10,000 that busted out and aren't here talking about it. That is just the way it is.

I don't believe you know a damn thing about me, other than the stuff everyone already knows like my first name. But on the off chance that you are as obsessed and crazy as Mdawg, I do not give permission for you to dox me. If you have the need to dox an AP, you do what you gotta do and accept whatever consequences come with it.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

FraudJ is virtually nauseating.

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I assure you the feeling is mutual.

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Mutual amongst the whole fucking board?

Well duh

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by Seedvalue

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

How did we get back to even discussing the possibility that Seedvalue is JWT. I thought that was long ago settled when Druff weighted in. I certainly accepted Druffs opinion that they are not one and the same and I suspect it is more than just a casual opinion.

Yes, when Seedvalue showed up here with his craziness, I suggested he was JWT. This was based on conversations with two people privately who thought he was. I don't believe I have ever had interaction with JWT/WoN so I wouldn't really know. So when Druff stated that it was not JWT, one of the two online said if it isn't JWT it is someone associated with him. This is a person who I always respected and usually has good information. Now no one told me to initially post that it was JWT. I made that decision. And that is why I never mentioned who it was. I took the heat from seedvalue for my original post. And I even apologized.

So how did we get back to any discussion that the two are one and the same?

Just because seedvalue is a dick and insecure about his dick, does NOT mean he is Jeff. JWT does not have the monopoly on being crazy scamming lowlifes

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You got my full attention today thongJ as I got pinched on a play. So I’ve had some time to read all your bullshit !!

Here you are again implying that I’m some type of scammer. If you had any fucking clue what I’ve done for others in this game you would punch your own self in the mouth for saying such BS.

I get that you envy all the people you read about, and so desperately want to be like them so you have created this facade. However where you get into trouble is when you challenge or make up shit about legitimate APs. Not the fags on discord or X that jerk each other off over $1 Buffalo plays, or green chipping but real MFs. Guys and teams who push every edge gray, black, white whatever you call to the max.

It’s fucking disrespectful to take their stories and experiences as your own. Eventually people are going to call you out and look into all the shit you post. Again I’ve never scammed anyone in my life. So I would fucking advise you to STFU.

O and another thing it’s pretty dumb for someone in your position to keep challenging Mdawg regardless of what you believe. Someone with the resources and time to plot revenge. You have to be one of the stupidest guys ever to post. Seriously

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I don't doubt that you are a real AP. Too many people vouching for you or at least thinking you are. But you are a sleazebag. The things you made up about me and repeated for a solid year is just ridiculous. Not only a lie, but just juvenile and retarded. Anything you think you know about me probably came from Mdawg and he lies and repeats lies as much as anybody I have ever encountered including Singer.

I am not on discord. I think I was for a day or two about 6-7 years ago when I used to communicate privately with Ryemo. I think he was more normal then, from what I hear these days. And I am not on twitter/X, or at least have never posted or tweeted. I did make an account back when mickeycrimm was going through his heart attack, just to follow him and updates for a brief time.

So tell me, who's story did I steal. Who has a story anywhere close to what my experiences are? tell me because I want to read it. I have read a couple AP's and card counters that had similar starts,, starting out very underfunded and building a decent bankroll. One was on GWAE I believe, maybe using the name "joe". But these guys all started after me, after I had already shared that part of my story. I don't think they copied me, but if there was any copying going on that is how it had to be because of the timing.

Despite similarities in some stories, especially the starting out with a BR of 4-5k, I just think that is how some of us started. And for everyone, still around to talk about it, there were probably 1000, maybe 10,000 that busted out and aren't here talking about it. That is just the way it is.

I don't believe you know a damn thing about me, other than the stuff everyone already knows like my first name. But on the off chance that you are as obsessed and crazy as Mdawg, I do not give permission for you to dox me. If you have the need to dox an AP, you do what you gotta do and accept whatever consequences come with it.

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Didn't you say you were leaving for good FraudJ? Here you are again. same old shit. Endless. Couldn't you give us a whole week?

By the way, most of what Mdawg thinks he knows isn't even correct. Much of it is stuff I planted in his brain. perfect example is so many of you guys posting for years that I was 5'8", 150 lbs, blond hair blue eyes. I planted that. Why would I ever tell anyone who I am? Mdawg did get lucky and find and post some info that was half right, but also half wrong. And that half wrong info showed up in a database, and they were able to link it to me which I paid a price for. But for the most part I have stayed ahead of you clowns for a decade. And my goal was to stay 2 steps ahead of casino personnel. I never dreamed it would be people in the forums, especially an AP like you. What the fuck is wrong with you that you would even consider doxing me?

Anyway, whatever. You do what you gotta do, dude.

KJ, spend your time on people that are discredited. Just my unsolicited advice.

Seed isn’t the guy to go after.

We all know is.

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

FraudJ is virtually nauseating.

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That's why I said what I said.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

It's at this point, after the little putz refuses to 'fess up even after lying and changing his lying story multiple times, that he gets his peanuty head shoved into the sidewalk.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

There has to be a fair amount of domestic violence in his household (when he has a household - no wonder his own family kicked him out). Just imagine how annoyed anyone dealing with him would get over his compulsive lying and refusing to back down even in the wake of overwhelming proof against him.

We laugh at him, shake our heads at his stubbornness in refusing to admit when caught in most of his lies, but in person it would be hard to resist (except for the extreme distaste of having to touch the guy) grabbing his peanuty head (he's so wimpy that you'd feel bad about punching him) and shoving him to the floor.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

By the way, most of what Mdawg thinks he knows isn't even correct. Much of it is stuff I planted in his brain. perfect example is so many of you guys posting for years that I was 5'8", 150 lbs, blond hair blue eyes.

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I already know you're a Pacific Islander looking fella, who said you were Caucasian? You are not.

What's the funniest about this clown is that he occasionally tries to make some kind of "statement" about how - he made such and such up, for example, "I am not gay" , "I made up my gay marriage" , "My gay lover never existed" , "I made you believe what I wanted you to believe" , "I lied about such and such to protect myself" etc. etc. and it is when he stands up on his hind legs and tries to make such proclamations, that you know he's lying the hardest.

That he can't see that, and doesn't see that no one buys any of his nonsense, especially when he tries to disavow it, is further proof of that he's the poorest reader in the room, and no way he could survive in any kind of casino floor environment.

Which is why he sticks to low end video poker as a cover for his hustling older more desperate marks.

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Originally Posted by The Boz

KJ, spend your time on people that are discredited. Just my unsolicited advice.

Seed isn’t the guy to go after.

We all know aren’t.

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Boz, I am not, nor ever "went after" seedvalue. I posted something someone told me and it was wrong. Actually, two people suggested that. Both were wrong. And then I apologized.

Seedvalue came after me with his male prostitute and taking advantage of older men bullshit. And kept at it for a year. He is still at it.

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

Didn't you say you were leaving for good FraudJ? Here you are again. same old shit. Endless. Couldn't you give us a whole week?

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I am here because I just love how much it pisses you and a couple others, off that I am. :cool: I just love seeing how much you hate. that shit will eat you up ya know. :rolleyes:

We should have had a wager among ourselves as to how quickly everything I predicted would happen.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

Anyway the way this is going to play out, is as always. UNKewlJ will reappear after this, what is it, about 60th solemn oath to quit the forums or quit interacting with so and so, respond to one question that someone appears to have posed to him, under the guise of, "Because that is a reasonable respectful question, I will respond."

Another version of his return from the grave involves showing up in some innocuous thread and posting as if nothing ever happened.

Then of course someone will laugh at him and point out that he couldn't even stay away more than a matter of hours or days, and he'll get into it with that person and try to qualify that he meant that he was leaving only because "everyone was trolling him" but he reserves the right to respond to legitimate queries, and then next thing you know - he's right back to the usual feuding with everyone, taking up good portions of entire days at a time - the way he likes it!

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Of course, there would have been no takers on the other side. Everyone would have taken the bet that he'll reappear, and reappear soon.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

Psychiatry, clinical psychology. Impulse-control disorder (ICD) is a class of psychiatric disorders characterized by impulsivity – failure to resist a temptation, an urge, or an impulse; or having the inability to not speak on a thought. That's the UNKewl one to a T!
He knows it is in his best interests to abandon these forums and mind his own low level green chip business and yet...he can't help himself!

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Originally Posted by The Boz

KJ, spend your time on people that are discredited. Just my unsolicited advice.

Seed isn’t the guy to go after.

We all know aren’t.

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Boz, I am not, nor ever "went after" seedvalue. I posted something someone told me and it was wrong. Actually, two people suggested that. Both were wrong. And then I apologized.

Seedvalue came after me with his male prostitute and taking advantage of older men bullshit. And kept at it for a year. He is still at it.

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Yea, I don’t agree with his attacks against you, never will.

But as much as it hurts you to say it, he’s on the same team. And YES Seed, KJ is on the same team. NO, not that team.

There are guys out there making a few bucks and others making huge bucks. Not anyone’s concern who is making what unless they interfere with other’s livelihood.

But KJ is guilty of believing he has an obligation to “help” others.

Just shut the fuck up and avoid all the shit. And I’ll never understand why he can’t. Or any of the AP posters can’t.

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

Didn't you say you were leaving for good FraudJ? Here you are again. same old shit. Endless. Couldn't you give us a whole week?

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I am here because I just love how much it pisses you and a couple others, off that I am. :cool: I just love seeing how much you hate. that shit will eat you up ya know. :rolleyes:

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No not really. I don't hate you. You are a source of amusement in some ways but nails on a chalkboard in others.

I guess I can see why you want to think that though. It makes you feel relevant if you feel people hate you.

You are here because you have nothing else to do in your life than live other than this made-up story on the internet. That is it. That is the only reason, FraudJ.

You're so predictable. No one can predict what next area APing you will drop to try and sound relevant but it can be predicted you will do it. Just like people will predict you can never leave for a full week.

Boz is a jealous rat who first spent God knows how much time and effort trying to figure out who MDawg is, then claimed to write letters to casinos over that MDawg was making too much money, hurting their bottom line. He probably went out and bot one share of common stock for each of the casinos so that he could launch shareholder's derivative lawsuits. The guy isn't all there - crazy ideas like that make sense when a person is raving in lunacy, which he is, at times.

UNKewlJ is a jealous rat who doxxed the name that Boz was PM'ing out to anyone he could think of. UnKewlJ's mentally ill at all times not just sometimes like Boz.

Neither one has acted like an AP of substance, for all the shit AWolf throws out there he's never as far as I know crossed the line to taking this to the real world, the way Boz the Loon and UNKewlJ have.

People involved with the real casino world don't write letters to casinos about each other.

Two peas in a pod. ;) They belong to each other.

Boz is not a rat fink. I highly doubt he wrote a letter to the casinos about you. He was just riling you up. His way of telling you that he didn't believe your bullshit story, just as almost every other AP at WoV or that read WoV, has told you.

One thing about people like you (also Rob) is that many of the things they bitch about or say others do, they actually do. That is called "projecting". I read that people don't even recognize when they do this, although it is plain as day to everyone else.

So you accuse Boz of writing a letter to the casinos rating you out. I believe you did that regarding me. When you doxxed me at that forum you promote and repeated some of the information at Gambling forums, there was a peice of information that was incorrect. That same incorrect information showed up in my database entry a short time later. I suppose it is possible that some casino person or database person read the forum you promote. I would put that at 18 y.o's in a row odds. I suppose the odds are a little better that someone from casino or database read Gambling Forums. A little better but not much. That forum doesn't draw anybody. I think you sent that information to a casino and they reported to the database. Cosmo where you used to stay just happens to be a big database contributor.

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But KJ is guilty of believing he has an obligation to “help” others.

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I used to feel that way Boz. Not obligated, but I wanted to give back some. But that really ended for the most part after I left WoV. there is really no helping any new players on the forums I have been on the last 6-7 years. Although occasionally, someone reads something I have written and still contacts me privately asking questions. It has happened twice at a blackjack forum that now has very little traffic and once at GF, where I shared some pretty good stuff about when my brother was starting out not all that long ago. So it doesn't all go to waste. Someone can read something years later and still benefit by it.

BUT for the most part I am just trolling and entertaining myself, just the same as you and everyone else. I get a real kick out of fucking with the people that hate because they are bigots and can't even bring themselves to say or maybe realize that. I can almost see them boiling when I just post, no matter what it is. Now THAT is entertainment! :D

I guess my believing I have an obligation to help newer players (not really an obligation) has been replaced by me believing that I and every other real player have a right to call out complete bullshit.

Like a blackjack player who invented a super duper count and claims it gives him a 5% advantage.

Or a guy that claims he counted cards professionally in Reno of all places.

Or Singer and his way too many to list bullshit claims

Or Mdawg who has turned into the new Singer with such claims as $100-$5000 bet spreads playing double deck for 10 straight hours.

Even Jstat who pops up somewhere every few years claiming card counting and hi-lo doesn't work because there was a tiny non-significant error in Beat the Dealer 60 years ago.

I have that right, as do other real players to call bullshit on this stuff. And T3 aside, (that was the super duper count guy) all the rest go berserk and start attacking and even threatening you when you do call them out. A very dis-proportional response. That seems to be their problem and not mine.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

One thing about people like you (also Rob) is that many of the things they bitch about or say others do, they actually do. That is called "projecting". I read that people don't even recognize when they do this, although it is plain as day to everyone else.

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Wow, see, this is the purest evidence of his sociopathy.

That he doesn't realize that he is talking about himself. Utterly.

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Originally Posted by Punkcity

When are you going to STOP being a hypocrite?

When are you going to STOP running to mummy/daddy at admin with your FARCICAL rants.

The equation is simple

Become a better person.
Become a poster of worth
by NOT trolling,
by NOT lying
by NOT posting your self loathing homophobia vitriol
by NOT reneging on your word
by NOT living and posting from your FICTIONAL world

You posted boygirl hypocrisy to administration is just another HUGE example of your hypocrisy. Your a joke.

We all know it
Admin knows it
And
Yes , YOU know it also , which begs the question

ARE you MENTALLY unstable?

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Originally Posted by Punkcity

Yes you must be so sad as your post is about everything YOU do here this forum.

You must have a mental problem as you just fail to understand how often you contradict yourself, sometimes one post to the very next post you post this forum.

You must have a mental problem as you just fail to understand how often you post hypocritical posts this forum, you condemn the very behaviour you, yourself post about here this forum.

You must have a mental problem as you just fail to understand that you constantly discredit YOUR OWN character yet claim others are discrediting you.

You must have a mental problem because you display homophobic dislike of yourself for being gay. It’s a nasty queer trait of self loathing homosexuals that manifests with ugly queers. We’ve all meet at least one in our lifetime. It’s that trait you display that give all the good gays a bad name.

As stated you’re a slow moving car wreck. I got beer and popcorn, I love watching you unravel.

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It amazes me some of the people you quote. Many are taken out of context. Some have even told you to stop using a particular quote and you still do. And some like this punkcity are just flat out idiots.

Do you read the gambling shit that this guy posts. He plays baccarat and roulette and other -Ev games and claims he wins. Oh wait, I forgot who I am talking to. ;)

Punkcity lives in Australia. That is almost all that needs be said. But one time he was criticizing me about play in Las Vegas when he revealed he has never been to Las Vegas. Never been to the U.S.A. And yet he had an opinion on Las Vegas. He then drew a line on a map from where he lived in Australia to where he thought Las Vegas was. The line ended in the middle of the U.S.A., in like Iowa.

That is the idiot that you so proudly quote. Do you really think that helps your case any?

C'mon, guys. Why do I always have to figure this shit out for you? It's as obvious as the nose on your face. KewlJ is none other than....Jeffrey Warren Toll. No brainer. You can thank me later.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

Boz is a jealous rat who first spent God knows how much time and effort trying to figure out who MDawg is, then claimed to write letters to casinos over that MDawg was making too much money, hurting their bottom line. He probably went out and bot one share of common stock for each of the casinos so that he could launch shareholder's derivative lawsuits. The guy isn't all there - crazy ideas like that make sense when a person is raving in lunacy, which he is, at times.

UNKewlJ is a jealous rat who doxxed the name that Boz was PM'ing out to anyone he could think of. UnKewlJ's mentally ill at all times not just sometimes like Boz.

Neither one has acted like an AP of substance, for all the shit AWolf throws out there he's never as far as I know crossed the line to taking this to the real world, the way Boz the Loon and UNKewlJ have.

People involved with the real casino world don't write letters to casinos about each other.

Two peas in a pod. ;) They belong to each other.

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Are we just throwing out random adjectives? Who is Boz jealous of and why would he be jealous of them? I can't imagine Boz being jealous of much of anyone. As far as I can tell, he's generally happy with his life, is retired from his former primary source of income and does a bunch of AP as it suits him. He's just living his life, man.

Assuming everything else you said in that paragraph is accurate, I cannot claim to know his motivations for doing those things, and nor do I care, but it wasn't jealousy.

If he wants to try the casinos in court, then let him. The casinos have gotten away with plenty over the years. For every lawsuit they've lost in court there are probably twenty potential (or failed) lawsuits that they deserved to lose.

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Originally Posted by monet

Boz, didn't handle his personal business like a man.
He handled it like a little Bitch Ass Punk Pussy.
Showing and Proving that he is no different than his Forum Enemies: the Wizard of Odds, ZenKing and MDawg.
It's the same thing as what QueerJ does when he calls the Interweb Police.
Fuckers can't handle their problems they need Mommy, Daddy and Big Government to scare the Boogey Men away.

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Originally Posted by Mission146

Are we just throwing out random adjectives?

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Well Mdawg is. He has been just throwing out "adjectives", accusations and lies for quite a while now. And not just me, but Axelwolf, Boz, anyone that ever questioned his bullshit story.

It is easy to get caught up responding to all his shit. And he has found a receptive home here as there are others that join him in ganging upon someone, they have decided is not welcome, whether it be me, redietz, ect.

Yesterday, I posted 39 times. Yikes! That is freaking embarrassing. My BF got stuck at work, working extra hours, and Thursday is often a day that I don't have much going on, getting ready for the weekend which is a busier time for me, but 39 times. Super, super embarrassing. In my defense I am responding and countering 3 or 4 members that attack me simultaneously. But still not much defense. 39 times.

Now Mdawg, he posted 44 times. Most about me :D This is a guy who claims to currently be in Las Vegas winning tons of money while the casinos don't care and welcome him and yet he spent the entire day in his room or suite in Las Vegas posting on an internet forum. He also claims to be a working attorney who works remotely and well Thursday is a work/business day last I heard. When did he get any lawyering work done? When did he gamble and make all that money he posts about? :confused:

And does any of this seem even slightly normal to anyone? Does anyone else go away to Las Vegas or any destination for that matter and hole up in their room making 44 posts attacking people on the internet simply because they dared to say they didn't believe you?

Every once in a while I look at the situation and think "this is just crazy". And it is! And I decide I have had enough. And then a few days later a different sentiment comes over me...one in which I say "I am not going to let these trolls drive me away". And I return to even more trolling and attacks, and made up lies....some just flat out stupid and bizarre made up lies. Things a 9 year old would say.

Well guess what....THIS is stupid. You can't fight hate. If people want to hate, they will hate...relentlessly. And that is their problem not mine.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

It amazes me some of the people you quote.

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What is not amazing but makes perfect sense is that EVERYONE has about the same thing to say about this loser. Doesn't matter whom you quote, they all say he's a loser, he's a liar, he's a fraud.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

C'mon, guys. Why do I always have to figure this shit out for you? It's as obvious as the nose on your face. KewlJ is none other than....Jeffrey Warren Toll. No brainer. You can thank me later.

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Makes as much sense as any other theory! given that whenever he accuses someone of some sort of negative behavior he's always guilty to a much greater degree of the same. If UNKewlJ says you did it, that means he did it first, and worse!

So...he accuses seedvalue of being Toll, it jibes that UNKewlJ is in fact Toll himself. Only thing is...Toll doesn't look Pacific Islander. :confused:

KJ, it's good to see you stick around and respond to the shit this gaslighting feces hurling monkey keeps splattering on the board.

Keep attacking the lying sack of bullshit.

Oh, if you ever find out the address of his mansion please PM me and I'll send a fleet of pizza delivery guys to pay him a visit.

Oh, wait a minute ... he doesn't REALLY own a mansion in LV, that was yet another lie to make himself look "bigger" and more virile.

Memo to dawg: try stuffing a sock down the front of your slacks.

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Originally Posted by Mission146

Are we just throwing out random adjectives?

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Well Mdawg is. He has been just throwing out "adjectives", accusations and lies for quite a while now. And not just me, but Axelwolf, Boz, anyone that ever questioned his bullshit story.

It is easy to get caught up responding to all his shit. And he has found a receptive home here as there are others that join him in ganging upon someone, they have decided is not welcome, whether it be me, redietz, ect.

Yesterday, I posted 39 times. Yikes! That is freaking embarrassing. My BF got stuck at work, working extra hours, and Thursday is often a day that I don't have much going on, getting ready for the weekend which is a busier time for me, but 39 times. Super, super embarrassing. In my defense I am responding and countering 3 or 4 members that attack me simultaneously. But still not much defense. 39 times.

Now Mdawg, he posted 44 times. Most about me :D This is a guy who claims to currently be in Las Vegas winning tons of money while the casinos don't care and welcome him and yet he spent the entire day in his room or suite in Las Vegas posting on an internet forum. He also claims to be a working attorney who works remotely and well Thursday is a work/business day last I heard. When did he get any lawyering work done? When did he gamble and make all that money he posts about? :confused:

And does any of this seem even slightly normal to anyone? Does anyone else go away to Las Vegas or any destination for that matter and hole up in their room making 44 posts attacking people on the internet simply because they dared to say they didn't believe you?

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Slightly normal?

Timothy McVeigh would probably consider this forum a little over the top for his liking.

I just chalk it up to you guys finding some entertainment value in all of this. I tend to only participate if someone says something that I consider unfair (like your implication that Druff could potentially defraud you, or MDawg calling Boz jealous) as I see it. I don't really step in on either you or MDawg's behalf on things because either of you could end this, at anytime, by simply not speaking to, or about, the other.

My conclusion is that both of you do this with each other because you both enjoy it, on some level. That's fine. It's not for me to tell people what to enjoy or not enjoy. I just remarked yesterday, about the challenge, because at least that would be interesting. I also wouldn't be opposed to meeting either of you anyway.

We've known each other, in the forum sense, for over a decade. I've come at you hard a few times, but I've always felt justified when I did. You've cracked back at me a few times---and I am perfectly fine with that. At the end of the day, when I come at you, I think you don't mind so much because you know I'm giving my actual opinion...which everyone knows I can always defend...and not doing it just to do it.

As far as MDawg goes, he has great taste in music. That's automatically enough that I'd share a table with him and bullshit about music. Also, if the worst thing he does is tell tall tales on gambling forums (and I am NOT disputing anything he says, I am speaking hypothetically) well, most of our elected representatives do far worse than that, so who gives a fuck?

Anyway, the bank thing would be interesting enough to arbitrate that I wouldn't mind as long as it isn't costing me any money out of pocket. Beyond that, I'd be lying if I said I really cared about your and MDawg's back and forth...or even what MDawg posts at WoV. I hope he wouldn't take offense to this, but I almost never look at his thread anyway...much less obsess over everything he writes. I'm not even sane. I know that. But sometimes, I can be sane, by comparison. JK

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Originally Posted by MisterV

KJ, it's good to see you stick around and respond to the shit this gaslighting feces hurling monkey keeps splattering on the board.

Keep attacking the lying sack of bullshit.

Oh, if you ever find out the address of his mansion please PM me and I'll send a fleet of pizza delivery guys to pay him a visit.

Oh, wait a minute ... he doesn't REALLY own a mansion in LV, that was yet another lie to make himself look "bigger" and more virile.

Memo to dawg: try stuffing a sock down the front of your slacks.

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Fuck you! JK.

I'm a grower, though. I don't have Singer beat, but I'm packing something decent. Ball Park frank, motherfucker, it plumps when you cook it. Well, not YOU. You know what I mean.

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Originally Posted by Mission146

I tend to only participate if someone says something that I consider unfair (like your implication that Druff could potentially defraud you,

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Now hold on a minute. You make it sound like I am accusing Druff of something. Mission you and I once has a somewhat heated discussion about my saying something was "impossible". I don't think it was the 18 y.o. in a row claim but something along those lines. Something that was multiple millions to 1 shot. You objected to me calling that "impossible" when technically it was mathematically possible.

Now a wager (which this wasn't even) involving 2 people, with the 3rd arbitrating and holding the money, is it not possible that one of the parties and the arbitrator collude? You used the word "potential". That is all I am saying. The chances of that no matter how small are enough that I am not risking what I conside substantial money on it. It isn't personal to Druff. It is simply my own risk/reward comfort level.

You are taking offense because some of you know Druff personally and think, maybe even know he wouldn't be involved in something like that. Well I don't know Dan Druff personally. My experience with him is on this forum, and frankly I am not impressed with him allowing some of the shit he has allowed. Just flat out lies, for no other reason to attempt to smear and discredit someone. And not just me. Axelwolf, mickey, redietz, the late Alan Mendelson and others have all been victims of this.

Rob Singer wrote on this very forum that Alan had beaten his girlfriend and she had to get a restraining order against him. And of course accusations of me being a male prostitute and preying on older men. This kind of shit is not funny nor acceptable playful kind of ribbing. Nor are lies about people's dead spouse. So that Dan Druff allows that kind of shit complete lies to be stated on this forum...thinks that is acceptable, well yeah, I am not sure I would trust him with holding my 100k.

Additionally, Dan druff is a professional poker player....a gambler, as many of us are. Gamblers are notorious for being shady and doing some shady crap. Druff's entire other forum is about that kind of stuff.

So no offense to Dan Druff (or Todd) but to me, having never met him, he is a guy that runs a forum I am on, and has allowed all kinds of dishonest shit to be spewed. Nothing more.

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Originally Posted by Mission146

I tend to only participate if someone says something that I consider unfair (like your implication that Druff could potentially defraud you,

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Now hold on a minute. You make it sound like I am accusing Druff of something. Mission you and I once has a somewhat heated discussion about my saying something was "impossible". I don't think it was the 18 y.o. in a row claim but something along those lines. Something that was multiple millions to 1 shot. You objected to me calling that "impossible" when technically it was mathematically possible.

Now a wager (which this wasn't even) involving 2 people, with the 3rd arbitrating and holding the money, is it not possible that one of the parties and the arbitrator collude? You used the word "potential". That is all I am saying. The chances of that no matter how small are enough that I am not risking what I conside substantial money on it. It isn't personal to Druff. It is simply my own risk/reward comfort level.

You are taking offense because some of you know Druff personally and think, maybe even know he wouldn't be involved in something like that. Well I don't know Dan Druff personally. My experience with him is on this forum, and frankly I am not impressed with him allowing some of the shit he has allowed. Just flat out lies, for no other reason to attempt to smear and discredit someone. And not just me. Axelwolf, mickey, redietz, the late Alan Mendelson and others have all been victims of this.

Rob Singer wrote on this very forum that Alan had beaten his girlfriend and she had to get a restraining order against him. And of course accusations of me being a male prostitute and preying on older men. This kind of shit is not funny nor acceptable playful kind of ribbing. Nor are lies about people's dead spouse. So that Dan Druff allows that kind of shit complete lies to be stated on this forum...thinks that is acceptable, well yeah, I am not sure I would trust him with holding my 100k.

Additionally, Dan druff is a professional poker player....a gambler, as many of us are. Gamblers are notorious for being shady and doing some shady crap. Druff's entire other forum is about that kind of stuff.

So no offense to Dan Druff (or Todd) but to me, having never met him, he is a guy that runs a forum I am on, and has allowed all kinds of dishonest shit to be spewed. Nothing more.

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Meh. I just didn't like the verbiage; that was all. Perhaps I simply took it more seriously than it was meant. I just thought it was weird that you would express concerns about your chosen arbiter possibly colluding with the other party. I'd choose a different arbiter if I thought any chance of that.

I don't know Druff personally. I just know what PFA is all about and what Druff is somewhat about from reading many of his posts. My opinion is that Druff is concerned with fairness more than he is with anything else. If someone gets ripped off, then Druff is pissed. If someone willingly enters into a one-sided deal, but knew the terms going in, then Druff probably doesn't care because the person could have understood the terms.

He also cares about this site and PFA. He wouldn't risk his public reputation, or the reputation of his online properties, even for that amount of money.

If nothing else, I would say he is showing some trust in both yourself and MDawg to even be willing to act as an escrow agent for that kind of money. I sure as shit wouldn't do it if either of you directly asked me. I'd just figure, whatever the angle, I'm too stupid to know what the angle is and me holding this money will backfire on me somehow.

If you feel victimized by this forum...not that there has ever been a forum where you DON'T feel victimized...then create your own forum. I hereby declare that I will join your forum and post at least ten times per month for a year to help you out with starting content. You just can't monetize during that year; I may still participate if you do, but I won't necessarily keep my offer because I don't participate on sites that monetarily compete with us. I might read them, but I don't add new content. Social media doesn't count, obviously, as they are not primarily gambling.

Anyway, it's Druff's forum, so he can do whatever the fuck he wants. He can ban me from both of his forums, this second, and I probably wouldn't say much. I might casually mention it like, "Or like Todd, who banned me from his forum, for whatever reason," but I wouldn't shit talk him. He'd probably be doing me a favor. Here I am typing this and do you know how much this post is making me? $0.00.

I can't imagine the dead spouse cared. Being dead, and all.

Well, yeah, that's my point. It's about calling out gamblers who rip off other gamblers.

Mission, I don't distinguish between the scammer guys like on youtube that are selling their phony baloney systems or selling membership into some secret blackjack army, where they will teach you to win at blackjack or bacarát or roulette or any other damn thing and the people on forums just repeatedly spewing voodoo bullshit. It is an attempt to mislead people with bullshit whether it is monetized or not. Rob Singer wrote 2 books, trying to monetize his bullshit. He just wasn't successful.

Mdawg, well if he is anywhere near as wealthy as he claims, which I have doubts about, then it isn't about monetizing anything with him. I think it is simply a narcisstic trying to impress people with him. BUT still, people can be mislead and financially hurt, just the same as if they were scammed into buying some bullshit system. When Mdawg writes that he played a $100-$5000 spread playing double deck at a strip casino winning 60k over 10 straight hours, how many people went out and tried that? Maybe none. But maybe a few.

And some people will say that is on them for being so stupid...and there is some truth to that. But I just think on a forum like WoV, that is supposed to be about helping players become better gamblers (mike's mission statement when he started the forum), That such bullshit should be called out by both Mike and other members.

And that is all this ever was on my part. It is just that Mdawg like singer before him responds with all kind of vicious lies and attacks towards anyone who dares say. You can't win with by "betting into hot streaks" or with "special plays", or because you have a big bankroll like that somehow magically overcomes -EV. Voodoo should be called out as voodoo. thats all.

It is amusing I'll admit Mission146 to see UNKewlJ try to stand on his hind legs and whine about how unfair it is no one believes him. But what's the most amusing is that he pretends that any of what he says makes a difference, while actually with each lie he's invented, the more he tries to defend it, the more obvious it becomes that he's lying. That he keeps whining softly in his shrill voice, not realizing that he's just destroying his story and credibility further with each bizarre twist and turn, is what's the funniest about all this.

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The FOURTEEN most major UNKewl lies I can think of concern (1) his lie about Moses showing up at a condo he claimed he lived at, (2) a condo it turned out that he has no ownership in, (3) his faking his own death, (4) lying about ever having been robbed, (5) the nonsense about MGM execs showing up at his apartment on Halloween to give him player records on someone who isn't even MDawg, (6) the backrooming lawsuit, (7) the lie about being doxxed, or ever having his name placed in any casino database, (8) the rigged shuffler, (9) the impossibility of the Saturday early morning settlement transfer, (9) $50. free play for $100K win on a slot progressive, (10) $50K multi hand VP hit, (11) winning a car, (12) lied about whether or not he was gay, (13) the lie about even having a dead "soul mate" which he recanted.

That rigged shuffler story, besides not making any sense, reaffirmed in my mind that this guy really doesn't play much table games, because I'd expect such nonsense from a recreational player, not a card counter.

And as usual, as he gets hemmed in, he is changing the story on some of these. Even renounced the existence of his "soul mate" claims he lied about him and his gay marriage too!

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It is amusing I'll admit to recognize that the dawg now clearly sees that no one believes him, but he keeps spewing bullshit out of his keyboard. But what's the most amusing is that he pretends that any of what he says makes a difference, while actually with each lie he's invented, the more he tries to defend it, the more obvious it becomes that he's lying. That he keeps attacking his nay-sayers and keeps posting the same ridiculous bullshit over and over cements the belief that this clown is certifiable.

FYP

You must be still stuck in your morning MJ haze, and have me confused with some other sumbitch, because while I might respond to something about me once or twice when initially brought up (and not even always, frequently I just ignore), I don't keep responding to the same queries about ME over and over like you and UNKewlJ.

Which is why you and UNKewlJ frequently find yourselves talking to yourselves when it comes to trying to incite me into your anti MDawg nonsense.

Nor do I when questioned about anything to do with me, respond with UNKewJ's usual go to defensive whining talking points:
If I have anything to say about me, I just say it. About me. I don't segue into the whiny UNKewlJ's "Buuuut he's just trying to make himself look better by making meee look bad."

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Additionally, can you imagine, UNKewlJ sits there pondering and re-writing the same things over and over with almost every post, while I am mostly just copy/pasting. When I already said it once to perfection, why waste time restating it any differently?

So when you see an MDawg post, you may be assured it was whipped up in minutes, while anything UNKewlJ has to say, he has clearly pored over for hours, his lips moving too, as he tries so hard to decide what to say and how.

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It is amusing I'll admit to recognize that the dawg now clearly sees that no one believes him, but he keeps spewing bullshit out of his keyboard. But what's the most amusing is that he pretends that any of what he says makes a difference, while actually with each lie he's invented, the more he tries to defend it, the more obvious it becomes that he's lying. That he keeps attacking his nay-sayers and keeps posting the same ridiculous bullshit over and over cements the belief that this clown is certifiable.

FYP

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Do you have proof that he's lying about anything?

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Mission, I don't distinguish between the scammer guys like on youtube that are selling their phony baloney systems or selling membership into some secret blackjack army, where they will teach you to win at blackjack or bacarát or roulette or any other damn thing and the people on forums just repeatedly spewing voodoo bullshit. It is an attempt to mislead people with bullshit whether it is monetized or not. Rob Singer wrote 2 books, trying to monetize his bullshit. He just wasn't successful.

Mdawg, well if he is anywhere near as wealthy as he claims, which I have doubts about, then it isn't about monetizing anything with him. I think it is simply a narcisstic trying to impress people with him. BUT still, people can be mislead and financially hurt, just the same as if they were scammed into buying some bullshit system. When Mdawg writes that he played a $100-$5000 spread playing double deck at a strip casino winning 60k over 10 straight hours, how many people went out and tried that? Maybe none. But maybe a few.

And some people will say that is on them for being so stupid...and there is some truth to that. But I just think on a forum like WoV, that is supposed to be about helping players become better gamblers (mike's mission statement when he started the forum), That such bullshit should be called out by both Mike and other members.

And that is all this ever was on my part. It is just that Mdawg like singer before him responds with all kind of vicious lies and attacks towards anyone who dares say. You can't win with by "betting into hot streaks" or with "special plays", or because you have a big bankroll like that somehow magically overcomes -EV. Voodoo should be called out as voodoo. thats all.

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This conversation has already been had; you know where I'm at on it.

Funny watching kew cry like a baby over what he says are lies told about him, when all he's ever done with those who've surprised him by having him pegged very early on, is spew lie after lie after lie about them!

Of course in kew's little world of concoctions, it's completely OK for him to lie, because he just HAS to be believed. He spends the vast majority of his meaningless life putting up loooooong drawn-out monotonous posts, over and over again, fighting and arguing with EVERYBODY simply because he can't hack the fact of what I've said about him being a big fat liar and embellishing fraud from the get-go. He's gone to hell and back trying to convince the masses otherwise. All he's accomplished however, is proving hell is his true home.

He is the Joke.

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(Druff) is a guy that runs a forum I am on, and has allowed all kinds of dishonest shit to be spewed.

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Well... yeah... and that's been a good thing for you, don't you think? :rolleyes:

Otherwise you're inferring that you can make whatever unsubstantiated claims you like, but others cannot and should be subject to admin moderation. It's not that members of this forum decided they don't like you, but more that hypocrisy tends to rub people the wrong way. You want rules enforced as long as they don't apply to you.

I have nothing against you KJ. You even come off as a good dude much of the time, but Singer is right... you're creating your own hell here.

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Otherwise you're inferring that you can make whatever unsubstantiated claims you like, but others cannot and should be subject to admin moderation. It's not that members of this forum decided they don't like you, but more that hypocrisy tends to rub people the wrong way. You want rules enforced as long as they don't apply to you.

I have nothing against you KJ. You even come off as a good dude much of the time, but Singer is right... you're creating your own hell here.

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The one that really got me is that Doxxing is totally cool as long as it is not an AP you are Doxxing. LMAO!!!

It's like, "WHAT!?" Would KewlJ create a new tax for people, but exempt only those who are his exact height?

I'm just giving you shit, KewlJ, but that was a funny one.

If someone goes on a message board for something medical, such as:

https://forums.studentdoctor.net/cat...ties-md-do.35/

But, they give information that is inaccurate or, for whatever reason, tell a tall tale...would doctors think that you just Doxx those people now?

Speaking of which, I'd also be shocked if there are any doctors on there bragging about being the best surgeon currently alive.

But, let's be honest; we're mostly kind of fucking nuts. Normal people don't do the sorts of things we do or think the sorts of things we think. Could you imagine a message board for mechanics where one of them talks about how he's the best mechanic to ever live and brags constantly about his shop's hourly labor charge whilst calling all of the other mechanics losers? Hahaha!

It would be shocking to see one mechanic do any such...much less 10-20% of them.

Since this thread is about Kewl I wanted to make a statement and probably just leave him alone for now. I sometimes feel a bit overly mean dissecting his nonsense when it has such obvious importance in his life. There is some line where is becomes bullying and I'm definitely in that area.

However 2 things.

I reached out to him in private. If he would admit that shuffler story was BS (I may have even worded that he could just fess up to part of it being a lie), then I would not tell anyone AND I would stop being mean to him. That is when he told me "it is all true and fuck you!". So ok. That is a reasonable response if his lies were true but clearly they are not. I was just giving him a sincere chance to act like a reasonable human and he decided to not and tell me to fuck off. So when he came back after his promised disappearance that is when I broke down why the full shuffler story is as bad or worse than the backrooming. I had given him a sincere chance. There was no trolling or anything like that.

The other thing is his incessant proving Singer and Mdawg aren't what they claim. He has been relentless on a search for "the truth". Just because Kewl's lies are crafted to be sustainable and Singer/Mdawgs are meant to be fantastic and entertaining doesn't change anything. In fact, I would argue that what Kewl has been doing is more harmful. He is enticing people to get into that life when it is very very questionable whether he does what he says he does. People out there wanted to believe Kewl's fable and he has so desperately craved this attention and respect. Even when the guy is pressed into a corner he falls back on the "but but my life is possible due to the math". No one going to LV to beat UX from hearing Singer. Same with Mdawg. Kewl though tries his best to be believable and persuasive and thus has the largest chance of actually convincing people.

Which is a better posterchild for getting guys to drop it and move to LV to count cards? ZK or Kewl? lol.

Just another thought from the Twilight Zone, but, I wonder that it's really MDawg. He wrote of minions to do his bidding in school days, so, perhaps, he hired someone to write the MDawg parts here and there, and, hence the references to himself mostly by the third person tense. Explains some other things, such as what Boz brought up, about a rich guy spending so much time on gambling forums.

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Since this thread is about Kewl I wanted to make a statement and probably just leave him alone for now. I sometimes feel a bit overly mean dissecting his nonsense when it has such obvious importance in his life. There is some line where is becomes bullying and I'm definitely in that area.

However 2 things.

I reached out to him in private. If he would admit that shuffler story was BS (I may have even worded that he could just fess up to part of it being a lie), then I would not tell anyone AND I would stop being mean to him. That is when he told me "it is all true and fuck you!". So ok. That is a reasonable response if his lies were true but clearly they are not. I was just giving him a sincere chance to act like a reasonable human and he decided to not and tell me to fuck off. So when he came back after his promised disappearance that is when I broke down why the full shuffler story is as bad or worse than the backrooming. I had given him a sincere chance. There was no trolling or anything like that.

The other thing is his incessant proving Singer and Mdawg aren't what they claim. He has been relentless on a search for "the truth". Just because Kewl's lies are crafted to be sustainable and Singer/Mdawgs are meant to be fantastic and entertaining doesn't change anything. In fact, I would argue that what Kewl has been doing is more harmful. He is enticing people to get into that life when it is very very questionable whether he does what he says he does. People out there wanted to believe Kewl's fable and he has so desperately craved this attention and respect. Even when the guy is pressed into a corner he falls back on the "but but my life is possible due to the math". No one going to LV to beat UX from hearing Singer. Same with Mdawg. Kewl though tries his best to be believable and persuasive and thus has the largest chance of actually convincing people.

Which is a better posterchild for getting guys to drop it and move to LV to count cards? ZK or Kewl? lol.

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Basically you are saying that MDawgs stories are insignificant to everyone because they have zero value regardless if they are true or fake, because they affect no one other than the dumb fucks who believe in nonsense -EV and are inspired by all the winning BSstories? His biggest fan (probably himself) was a big fat proven fraud.

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I think this could be true but I think he is harming himself more than anyone and does not see that. If you want to stop abusing him, then just stop. Clearly it's not getting anywhere because he doesn't trust anyone and he's not going to own up to anything. Coming clean has proven to be disastrous to him so far. It only fuels his tormentors further.

It's a cruel world, or so I've heard.

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Otherwise you're inferring that you can make whatever unsubstantiated claims you like, but others cannot and should be subject to admin moderation. It's not that members of this forum decided they don't like you, but more that hypocrisy tends to rub people the wrong way. You want rules enforced as long as they don't apply to you.

I have nothing against you KJ. You even come off as a good dude much of the time, but Singer is right... you're creating your own hell here.

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The one that really got me is that Doxxing is totally cool as long as it is not an AP you are Doxxing. LMAO!!!

It's like, "WHAT!?" Would KewlJ create a new tax for people, but exempt only those who are his exact height?

I'm just giving you shit, KewlJ, but that was a funny one.

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Mission, have you visited and read Dan Druff Poker fraud forum at all? The top thread is a thread now some 750 pages long about youtube scammer Christopher Mitchel. Dan Druff and his membership, lead by Druff himself and his investigations have revealed all kind of things about this Christopher Mitchel person, including addresses, past employment, cars he drives among other things. This is all doxing! Any personal information you reveal about a person that they did not reveal is doxing.

Druff and his co-horts seem to think this is OK because Mitchel is on youtube soliciting money as part of his scam. Well I don't distinguish the soliciting part as much as others do. Scamming and misleading people with false bullshit that will have them lose their money is scamming...period. The solicitation just takes it to a higher level.

Mdawg is scamming people with mis-information that anyone trying what he claims will be hurt financially, and backed off and barred for attempting a 1-50 spread and I could list 100 things.

So if it is OK to dox Mitchel and reveal anything you find that contradicts his bullshit claims, and I believe it is, and Druff himself justifies that, I see no difference in doing so with Mdawg. The information that comes to light will prove he is not who he claims and not winning as he claims. It will prove the Mdawg adventure, nothing more than a scam, not all that different than Christopher mitchel, except Mitchel takes it a step further with the solicitaion of money.

Again, the pertinent question is why does someone like Mdawg not use his real name if he has nothing to hide. He isn't hiding from the casinos like most APs are. He plays rated, making sure they know who he is, to get every ounce of comps due him. So the only people he is hiding from are the members of these different forums who would find out who he really is and what his story really is.

Now there are a lot of people on this forum of late that no longer believe me or anything I say or any part of my claims. Or at least that is what they say, i don't really believe that. So they essentially think I am the same kind of scammer I am accusing Mdawg of being. Ok fine, If anybody can prove that, prove that I am Tom Reilly, living in Albuquerque, working as a night watchman and not who I claim, then they are free to do that. If they can prove that I am Sally Hutton, living in Vegas, but working at the dollar store and not who/what I claim, they should and are free to do that. If they can prove any of the ridiculous claims, male prostitution, to about 100 other things, that would prove my claims false and me a scammer, they should do that. That would be doxxing, but I think that would be fair game because I would have been misleading or scamming people.

But the fact is nobody can or has proven a damn thing like that. All they do is make up silly, silly shit, with no proof, just attempting to discredit or smear me.

In short, I believe doxxing a person misleading, or scamming, myself included is justifiable if it proves they are not who they claim in misleading people. Whether that be a Christopher Mitchel who takes it to the next level with the solicitation, or an Mdawg, who is such an expert manipulator with his picture and shit, or me, if I am not who I say and claim.

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Since this thread is about Kewl I wanted to make a statement and probably just leave him alone for now. I sometimes feel a bit overly mean dissecting his nonsense when it has such obvious importance in his life. There is some line where is becomes bullying and I'm definitely in that area.

However 2 things.

I reached out to him in private. If he would admit that shuffler story was BS (I may have even worded that he could just fess up to part of it being a lie), then I would not tell anyone AND I would stop being mean to him. That is when he told me "it is all true and fuck you!". So ok. That is a reasonable response if his lies were true but clearly they are not. I was just giving him a sincere chance to act like a reasonable human and he decided to not and tell me to fuck off. So when he came back after his promised disappearance that is when I broke down why the full shuffler story is as bad or worse than the backrooming. I had given him a sincere chance. There was no trolling or anything like that.

The other thing is his incessant proving Singer and Mdawg aren't what they claim. He has been relentless on a search for "the truth". Just because Kewl's lies are crafted to be sustainable and Singer/Mdawgs are meant to be fantastic and entertaining doesn't change anything. In fact, I would argue that what Kewl has been doing is more harmful. He is enticing people to get into that life when it is very very questionable whether he does what he says he does. People out there wanted to believe Kewl's fable and he has so desperately craved this attention and respect. Even when the guy is pressed into a corner he falls back on the "but but my life is possible due to the math". No one going to LV to beat UX from hearing Singer. Same with Mdawg. Kewl though tries his best to be believable and persuasive and thus has the largest chance of actually convincing people.

Which is a better posterchild for getting guys to drop it and move to LV to count cards? ZK or Kewl? lol.

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Basically you are saying that MDawgs stories are insignificant to everyone because they have zero value regardless if they are true or fake, because they affect no one other than the dumb fucks who believe in nonsense -EV and are inspired by all the winning BSstories? His biggest fan (probably himself) was a big fat proven fraud.

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Well, yea.. Everything but the second sentence. I still like Mdawg but not really sure what he is about and really don't care.

TBH I like Mdawg because he stirs the shit like Singer and can hold his own. I come across his stuff at times and it is still a head scratcher but I don't care much. I respect his game.

Oh and there is one huge difference between myself and this Mdawg. Everything I claim about what I do with blackjack card counting is backed up by math rather than defying the math. Everything I say in sharing experiences I have encountered is exactly the way Las Vegas works. Everything Mdawg says defies the math and the way Las Vegas works.

You can decide to not believe anyone myself include for any reason you like, but doesn't the really low bar have to be that their claims don't defy the math, and how things actually work?

As for Mitchel I don't know enough about his claims, don't real much of Druffs other forum, only a few minutes here and there and have never even seen a single one of his videos' so I can't speak to whether his claims defy math and the way Vegas or gambling industry in general works. If I had to guess I suspect they do just like Mdawg, Singer and others that I challenge.

The only person I ever challenged, who's claims didn't defy math was the late Kevin Keen, who posted as moses. His claims worked as far as the math. Just not as far as the way things worked when he claimed to be a professional blackjack player playing Reno. Reno is a small sweaty place and just won't allow a player to bet the money or put in the time for that. If he had said he visits Reno as part of his rotation, I would have said fine. I do that, or used to and know other Professional players that will roll into reno for a weekend, but to be based out of and play exclusively Reno as a professional blackjack player, is just not how things work. That is as much BS as spreading $100-$5000 at double deck on the strip for 10 straight hours.

Kewl I'm about done with you but the whole "everything I do is backed by math" doesn't mean much. The way you keep saying it suggests that you crafted this whole thing to abide by "math" as much as anything.

Good luck.

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Otherwise you're inferring that you can make whatever unsubstantiated claims you like, but others cannot and should be subject to admin moderation. It's not that members of this forum decided they don't like you, but more that hypocrisy tends to rub people the wrong way. You want rules enforced as long as they don't apply to you.

I have nothing against you KJ. You even come off as a good dude much of the time, but Singer is right... you're creating your own hell here.

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The one that really got me is that Doxxing is totally cool as long as it is not an AP you are Doxxing. LMAO!!!

It's like, "WHAT!?" Would KewlJ create a new tax for people, but exempt only those who are his exact height?

I'm just giving you shit, KewlJ, but that was a funny one.

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Mission, have you visited and read Dan Druff Poker fraud forum at all? The top thread is a thread now some 750 pages long about youtube scammer Christopher Mitchel. Dan Druff and his membership, lead by Druff himself and his investigations have revealed all kind of things about this Christopher Mitchel person, including addresses, past employment, cars he drives among other things. This is all doxing! Any personal information you reveal about a person that they did not reveal is doxing.

Druff and his co-horts seem to think this is OK because Mitchel is on youtube soliciting money as part of his scam. Well I don't distinguish the soliciting part as much as others do. Scamming and misleading people with false bullshit that will have them lose their money is scamming...period. The solicitation just takes it to a higher level.

Mdawg is scamming people with mis-information that anyone trying what he claims will be hurt financially, and backed off and barred for attempting a 1-50 spread and I could list 100 things.

So if it is OK to dox Mitchel and reveal anything you find that contradicts his bullshit claims, and I believe it is, and Druff himself justifies that, I see no difference in doing so with Mdawg. The information that comes to light will prove he is not who he claims and not winning as he claims. It will prove the Mdawg adventure, nothing more than a scam, not all that different than Christopher mitchel, except Mitchel takes it a step further with the solicitaion of money.

Again, the pertinent question is why does someone like Mdawg not use his real name if he has nothing to hide. He isn't hiding from the casinos like most APs are. He plays rated, making sure they know who he is, to get every ounce of comps due him. So the only people he is hiding from are the members of these different forums who would find out who he really is and what his story really is.

Now there are a lot of people on this forum of late that no longer believe me or anything I say or any part of my claims. Or at least that is what they say, i don't really believe that. So they essentially think I am the same kind of scammer I am accusing Mdawg of being. Ok fine, If anybody can prove that, prove that I am Tom Reilly, living in Albuquerque, working as a night watchman and not who I claim, then they are free to do that. If they can prove that I am Sally Hutton, living in Vegas, but working at the dollar store and not who/what I claim, they should and are free to do that. If they can prove any of the ridiculous claims, male prostitution, to about 100 other things, that would prove my claims false and me a scammer, they should do that. That would be doxxing, but I think that would be fair game because I would have been misleading or scamming people.

But the fact is nobody can or has proven a damn thing like that. All they do is make up silly, silly shit, with no proof, just attempting to discredit or smear me.

In short, I believe doxxing a person misleading, or scamming, myself included is justifiable if it proves they are not who they claim in misleading people. Whether that be a Christopher Mitchel who takes it to the next level with the solicitation, or an Mdawg, who is such an expert manipulator with his picture and shit, or me, if I am not who I say and claim.

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I have to disagree. Christopher Mitchell charges people and scams them directly, there are no ifs ands or buts about that.

I have yet to hear of anyone claiming that of MDawg or anything close. Love him or hate him, he shouldn't be Doxxed. If he does it to you or someone. I wouldn't personally blame them for returning the favor.

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Since this thread is about Kewl I wanted to make a statement and probably just leave him alone for now. I sometimes feel a bit overly mean dissecting his nonsense when it has such obvious importance in his life. There is some line where is becomes bullying and I'm definitely in that area.

However 2 things.

I reached out to him in private. If he would admit that shuffler story was BS (I may have even worded that he could just fess up to part of it being a lie), then I would not tell anyone AND I would stop being mean to him. That is when he told me "it is all true and fuck you!". So ok. That is a reasonable response if his lies were true but clearly they are not. I was just giving him a sincere chance to act like a reasonable human and he decided to not and tell me to fuck off. So when he came back after his promised disappearance that is when I broke down why the full shuffler story is as bad or worse than the backrooming. I had given him a sincere chance. There was no trolling or anything like that.

The other thing is his incessant proving Singer and Mdawg aren't what they claim. He has been relentless on a search for "the truth". Just because Kewl's lies are crafted to be sustainable and Singer/Mdawgs are meant to be fantastic and entertaining doesn't change anything. In fact, I would argue that what Kewl has been doing is more harmful. He is enticing people to get into that life when it is very very questionable whether he does what he says he does. People out there wanted to believe Kewl's fable and he has so desperately craved this attention and respect. Even when the guy is pressed into a corner he falls back on the "but but my life is possible due to the math". No one going to LV to beat UX from hearing Singer. Same with Mdawg. Kewl though tries his best to be believable and persuasive and thus has the largest chance of actually convincing people.

Which is a better posterchild for getting guys to drop it and move to LV to count cards? ZK or Kewl? lol.

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Basically you are saying that MDawgs stories are insignificant to everyone because they have zero value regardless if they are true or fake, because they affect no one other than the dumb fucks who believe in nonsense -EV and are inspired by all the winning BSstories? His biggest fan (probably himself) was a big fat proven fraud.

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Well, yea.. Everything but the second sentence. I still like Mdawg

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We all have some major faults. I won't hold that against you.

PloppyDawg claims he's playing with an advantage. There are multiple posts that clearly suggest the contrary. I just happened to accidentally click on this one since it's at the beginning of one of these threads.

Read this and tell me this guy knows anything about Advantage play.

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No one's trying to make a living at gambling. But at the same time, if I lost money at it I wouldn't continue with it. I just somehow have managed to stay ahead, and the only dent they have made in my progress was when they banned (handicapped) my BJ play. To summarize, they got tired of my wild fluctuations between table min and table max at double deck BJ and that I was winning all of my table max bets including many double downs. Obviously the count alone could not have justified such luck, but after this went on for a number of days on yet another winning trip, the casino I was playing at, owned by Steve Wynn, stepped in and "handicapped" me - to a 3X spread.

"From now on if you bet $25. on a hand, you can't bet more than three times that, $75., on the next. No more $25. $2500. $25. $2500."

The limit at that time was $2500. This wasn't that long ago actually, about twenty or so years ago, but that was the limit at that casino at that time, $2500. This was when I was barely of legal age to gamble, but I had been playing blackjack and other card games since I was about eight years old, for fun, so I may have been relatively new to casinos but not new to playing cards.

After the BJ "ban" (handicap), I stayed away from Vegas entirely for almost two years, came back to the same casino, kept playing the same way, won for a matter of hours only, and got booted again from BJ.

Then I switched to Baccarat, and won even more at it than I had ever won at BJ. Eventually I became friends with the Director of Table Games who had set the handicap on me, who had since transferred to a different Wynn casino on the Strip, and he let me resume BJ play, and even laughed about how I liked to alternate between table min and max. But for whatever reason, I never really went back so hard to BJ, and have stuck with Baccarat. I just feel more comfortable betting big at Bacc.

I still play double deck BJ occasionally, but there is only one casino on the strip where they stand on soft 17 double deck BJ, so I pretty much play BJ at that casino only. There is one other casino, off the strip, where the double deck BJ is not only stand 17 but allows resplit aces and comes to a 0.14 house edge, but I am banned entirely from that casino - they fear me.

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Basically you are saying that MDawgs stories are insignificant to everyone because they have zero value regardless if they are true or fake, because they affect no one other than the dumb fucks who believe in nonsense -EV and are inspired by all the winning BSstories? His biggest fan (probably himself) was a big fat proven fraud.

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Well, yea.. Everything but the second sentence. I still like Mdawg

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We all have some major faults. I won't hold that against you.

PloppyDawg claims he's playing with an advantage. There are multiple posts that clearly suggest the contrary. I just happened to accidentally click on this one since it's at the beginning of one of these threads.

Read this and tell me this guy knows anything about Advantage play.

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No one's trying to make a living at gambling. But at the same time, if I lost money at it I wouldn't continue with it. I just somehow have managed to stay ahead, and the only dent they have made in my progress was when they banned (handicapped) my BJ play. To summarize, they got tired of my wild fluctuations between table min and table max at double deck BJ and that I was winning all of my table max bets including many double downs. Obviously the count alone could not have justified such luck, but after this went on for a number of days on yet another winning trip, the casino I was playing at, owned by Steve Wynn, stepped in and "handicapped" me - to a 3X spread.

"From now on if you bet $25. on a hand, you can't bet more than three times that, $75., on the next. No more $25. $2500. $25. $2500."

The limit at that time was $2500. This wasn't that long ago actually, about twenty or so years ago, but that was the limit at that casino at that time, $2500. This was when I was barely of legal age to gamble, but I had been playing blackjack and other card games since I was about eight years old, for fun, so I may have been relatively new to casinos but not new to playing cards.

After the BJ "ban" (handicap), I stayed away from Vegas entirely for almost two years, came back to the same casino, kept playing the same way, won for a matter of hours only, and got booted again from BJ.

Then I switched to Baccarat, and won even more at it than I had ever won at BJ. Eventually I became friends with the Director of Table Games who had set the handicap on me, who had since transferred to a different Wynn casino on the Strip, and he let me resume BJ play, and even laughed about how I liked to alternate between table min and max. But for whatever reason, I never really went back so hard to BJ, and have stuck with Baccarat. I just feel more comfortable betting big at Bacc.

I still play double deck BJ occasionally, but there is only one casino on the strip where they stand on soft 17 double deck BJ, so I pretty much play BJ at that casino only. There is one other casino, off the strip, where the double deck BJ is not only stand 17 but allows resplit aces and comes to a 0.14 house edge, but I am banned entirely from that casino - they fear me.

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To clarify about Mdawg being his own #1 fan. I just have no clue. It is sorta beyond the realm of actual real gambling so I have no interest. Chip porn is kinda cool.

I really just don't read what the guy says because it doesn't interest me. I also don't read Kewl's stuff about Mdawg. I read Mdawg's anti-Kewl stuff much closer and.. well.. he's relentless. I just read it in awe.

Much like Singer I can never tell where the joke vs the serious starts and stops. Probably far more seriousness with these guys .. I just can't imagine.

Singer brought a good time to this forum with his preposterous tales complete with his weird documentation. Ducking MaxPen and whomever else. Mdawg's basic story though isn't that.

And to sum it up. You're flat out wrong about Mdawg being his #1 fan. He is #2. Kewl is #1. Same with Singer's #1 fan. ha!

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No, it's probably only the most distrustful few on this site that don't believe a single word you say. It's apparent that the those telling the tallest tales here spend a lot of time in a casinos. A good storyteller knows to sprinkle in a lot of truths with their fiction... but just because the things you say don't defy the math doesn't mean we are more likely to believe them. It's been said you've underestimated the membership of this forum and I'd agree.

KJ, of any poster, most espoused the math, but, he posted the least math, if any, but, of course, made excuses for that too, such as working only the simplest of counts. Regardless, I could never figure that anyone read it. Same with Singer, no matter who responded to him. Alan was another dope. Very vapid stuff. I liked the daily interjections by Monet, V, and the others who kept things in the present, presence of mind.

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Otherwise you're inferring that you can make whatever unsubstantiated claims you like, but others cannot and should be subject to admin moderation. It's not that members of this forum decided they don't like you, but more that hypocrisy tends to rub people the wrong way. You want rules enforced as long as they don't apply to you.

I have nothing against you KJ. You even come off as a good dude much of the time, but Singer is right... you're creating your own hell here.

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The one that really got me is that Doxxing is totally cool as long as it is not an AP you are Doxxing. LMAO!!!

It's like, "WHAT!?" Would KewlJ create a new tax for people, but exempt only those who are his exact height?

I'm just giving you shit, KewlJ, but that was a funny one.

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Mission, have you visited and read Dan Druff Poker fraud forum at all? The top thread is a thread now some 750 pages long about youtube scammer Christopher Mitchel. Dan Druff and his membership, lead by Druff himself and his investigations have revealed all kind of things about this Christopher Mitchel person, including addresses, past employment, cars he drives among other things. This is all doxing! Any personal information you reveal about a person that they did not reveal is doxing.

Druff and his co-horts seem to think this is OK because Mitchel is on youtube soliciting money as part of his scam. Well I don't distinguish the soliciting part as much as others do. Scamming and misleading people with false bullshit that will have them lose their money is scamming...period. The solicitation just takes it to a higher level.

Mdawg is scamming people with mis-information that anyone trying what he claims will be hurt financially, and backed off and barred for attempting a 1-50 spread and I could list 100 things.

So if it is OK to dox Mitchel and reveal anything you find that contradicts his bullshit claims, and I believe it is, and Druff himself justifies that, I see no difference in doing so with Mdawg. The information that comes to light will prove he is not who he claims and not winning as he claims. It will prove the Mdawg adventure, nothing more than a scam, not all that different than Christopher mitchel, except Mitchel takes it a step further with the solicitaion of money.

Again, the pertinent question is why does someone like Mdawg not use his real name if he has nothing to hide. He isn't hiding from the casinos like most APs are. He plays rated, making sure they know who he is, to get every ounce of comps due him. So the only people he is hiding from are the members of these different forums who would find out who he really is and what his story really is.

Now there are a lot of people on this forum of late that no longer believe me or anything I say or any part of my claims. Or at least that is what they say, i don't really believe that. So they essentially think I am the same kind of scammer I am accusing Mdawg of being. Ok fine, If anybody can prove that, prove that I am Tom Reilly, living in Albuquerque, working as a night watchman and not who I claim, then they are free to do that. If they can prove that I am Sally Hutton, living in Vegas, but working at the dollar store and not who/what I claim, they should and are free to do that. If they can prove any of the ridiculous claims, male prostitution, to about 100 other things, that would prove my claims false and me a scammer, they should do that. That would be doxxing, but I think that would be fair game because I would have been misleading or scamming people.

But the fact is nobody can or has proven a damn thing like that. All they do is make up silly, silly shit, with no proof, just attempting to discredit or smear me.

In short, I believe doxxing a person misleading, or scamming, myself included is justifiable if it proves they are not who they claim in misleading people. Whether that be a Christopher Mitchel who takes it to the next level with the solicitation, or an Mdawg, who is such an expert manipulator with his picture and shit, or me, if I am not who I say and claim.

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As has already been pointed out, CM is a person who scams people out of money by selling supposedly winning methods and systems. If you want to define the word, 'Scam' in such a way to include things that are non-monetary, decide that all scammers should be Doxxed, determine that MDawg is a scammer pursuant to what you think a scammer is, then subsequently Doxx (or attempt to Doxx him), then that is your prerogative. As you have already figured out, almost nobody agrees with your position on one, or multiple, aspects of that one. You stand all but alone on that, though I don't suppose you mind standing all but alone.

Beyond that, that's something that occurs over on PFA. That's one of the purposes of the site. It wouldn't matter whether CM participates on that site, or not, if he is doing what he does.

In the case of MDawg, you are trying to satisfy a personal vendetta brought about by his participation on the forums. You cannot tolerate that MDawg was tolerated by, and allowed to remain at, WoV. Had MDawg been Nuked from WoV, you would not have taken the action of attempting to Doxx him. I know this because you have not attempted to figure out who that MarcusClark and Doxx him. MarcusClark was demonstrated to have been lying. Where's his info at?

If you want to dress up a personal vendetta as some more noble grander cause in your own mind, then that's fine. If you want to try to sell that narrative to others, that's none of my business; however, I will not be bullshitted on this one.

Even ignoring all of that, I do not run PFA or dictate PFA"s policy. I haven't even said that I support PFA's policy of allowing Doxxing of certain people, but that's what PFA does and I participate on PFA.

Let me put it this way: If I knew Professor Slots' address (which I don't), I wouldn't even share it privately. I have a duty to warn that Professor Slots is selling bullshit slot systems. Actually, I don't even have specific animosity to The Nutty Professor; he was just a good example to use to warn people of that sort of thing, in general.

I certainly wouldn't target Professor Slots personally; he has done nothing to me.

MDawg has already prevailed in one such attempt to do just that. I am willing to arbitrate should terms be agreed to on a second attempt. I forget who I offered it to, but I actually offered to arbitrate on the first one. I consider myself pretty good at figuring out angles, and shit like that, so I think that I would have been more aggressive than Wizard was. That's not to say that I would have found anything because Dawg might substantially be telling the truth. In theory, he could be telling the entire truth. I did have one specific angle that I know wasn't pursued as it was not mentioned. Were MDawg lying, though I'm not saying he was, he'd have never seen my angle coming. He'd not have had a chance to prepare for it.

Once again, your double standard on the need to use one's real name, essentially, if one is not an AP, is patently ridiculous. Almost nobody uses their real names on these forums, which makes sense, because some of these fucking people populating these forums are bananas. If you want to start a forum in which all who participate, except verified and vetted AP's, must use their real names, then do that. I can't imagine anyone would participate there under those rules.

So, MDawg comes around telling stories about his casino adventures and must now make his real name known? Why? Justify that position. You can't; it's ridiculous.

I can't know what to believe or not believe from you anymore, but I am neither richer nor poorer due to my inability to take anything you say at face value. I don't dispute any of your claims, but nor would I defend you and say that your claims are most likely true. I can only say now that the Blackjack play aspect of your story has been very consistent for more than a decade.

Is literally anything else except your Blackjack play true? I'd have to say probably not. I also couldn't go to bat for your Blackjack play other than to say your story vis-a-vis stakes/style/approach has always been consistent.

On the other hand, other aspects of your story were once very consistent---and you have now said those are a lie, so who the hell knows?

Even if you were a 'Scammer,' which is still not a way I would ever use that word, how would one specifically disprove your tales? Also, why should anyone care?

Let's say that everything that you have ever said is a lie, just as a hypothetical. Everything. Every single word. How does that change my life? Why would it matter to me? You don't owe me honesty. How are you indebted to me? You're not.

Believe what you will. What you believe is none of my concern, and as long as your vendetta against MDawg persists, I don't expect to compel you to believe otherwise.

The one thing that would concern me is why you would think, if an MDawg is not to be protected from Doxxing, why people who would not protect MDawg WOULD protect AP's? Why do APs deserve protection if others don't? Their fucking livelihoods? We contribute nothing to society.

No. There's only one reason APs should be protected from Doxxing; it is because everyone should be protected from Doxxing. In the case of Druff, he would say everyone except those doing scamming and causing financial injury to other gamblers.

Garnabby is correct. (OMG did I just write that?) I am not some super math math guy, like many in the AP world. That is probably why I stick to what I stick to. You don't have to be. I would say I am above average of the general population in math ability, but way, way below average of advantage players. I know my place.

BUT Gambling is about Math. Advantage play is about Math. Math is the difference between long-term winning players (AP's) and long-term losing players (ploppies or degen gamblers).

Now some players understand the math, but still choose to play -EV, enjoying that. That would be a MrV. That is fine.

BUT when someone claims to be a long-term winning player, they better have something mathematical that makes it so. Because Math is required. Saying you "play into hot streaks" or "win because you have a large bankroll" or have some kind of even less optimal (by the math) "special plays" just doesn't cut it. That is all voodoo crap, not math.

Gambling is Math. Winning at Gambling is Math. So claims that defy the math, just don't work Granabby. I really don't think that is too much to ask.

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Let me put it this way: If I knew Professor Slots' address (which I don't), I wouldn't even share it privately. I have a duty to warn that Professor Slots is selling bullshit slot systems. Actually, I don't even have specific animosity to The Nutty Professor; he was just a good example to use to warn people of that sort of thing, in general.

I certainly wouldn't target Professor Slots personally; he has done nothing to me.

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I don't know who Professor slots is, but I can use my imagination. So sticking with this example, if you had information about Professor slot, that directly proved his claims were BS, would that be wrong to post so those being scammed could see? I just don't think that is so terrible.

Now you mentioned posting an address. I didn't do that. I wouldn't do that. Yet Mdawg did that to/about me. All I did was post information so people would be able to look into the person if they wanted and see for themselves the claims of all that winning were, just as most suspected, a fabricated fantasy.

And again, if somebody has the kind of information on me, proving that I am an orderly in a hospital, or work at a burger joint, or any of the ridiculous claims people say, they should post it. But nobody has that information so they can't. Instead they just make up stupid shit, like Male prostitue, homeless living in the tunnels.

And what is really bizarre is that both people that have been able to find me, or information about me, The late Moses and Mdawg, actually proved my claims. they both almost immediately regretted that, so they immediately pivoted and just continued making other shit up. They actuall began posting lies and shit that contradict what they doxxed and proved. Only on the fucked up internet forums. :D

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Is there a certifying authority and certification process for this?

How about certified source material for "the way Las Vegas works"?

Ok, I am heading out (to work actually), but while I was in the shower getting ready I thought of a simplier better way to phrase this, so I want to take one more pass at it, although I am sure it won't matter.

If someone is using the anonymity that the internet and internet forums afford them through "handles", for nefarious purposes of no good, whether it be scamming people by solicitation, down to just scamming people with mis-information that can lead to people being harmed who try to emulate, then I don't see anything wrong with providing some information, if you have it in regards to who that person really is, so the people that might be harmed can see for themselves that this person hasn't won this or that or isn't a professional slot player, blackjack player, what have you.

And that is very different that just doxing or revealing information about someone just because you don't like them.

The second I would call doxing, while the first is exposing someone with nefarious intent, for people to see who they really are.

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Regarding this forum, you have no standing to make this determination.

You are a proven and admitted liar, you do not occupy a moral high ground.

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Well, yea.. Everything but the second sentence. I still like Mdawg

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We all have some major faults. I won't hold that against you.

PloppyDawg claims he's playing with an advantage. There are multiple posts that clearly suggest the contrary. I just happened to accidentally click on this one since it's at the beginning of one of these threads.

Read this and tell me this guy knows anything about Advantage play.

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No one's trying to make a living at gambling. But at the same time, if I lost money at it I wouldn't continue with it. I just somehow have managed to stay ahead, and the only dent they have made in my progress was when they banned (handicapped) my BJ play. To summarize, they got tired of my wild fluctuations between table min and table max at double deck BJ and that I was winning all of my table max bets including many double downs. Obviously the count alone could not have justified such luck, but after this went on for a number of days on yet another winning trip, the casino I was playing at, owned by Steve Wynn, stepped in and "handicapped" me - to a 3X spread.

"From now on if you bet $25. on a hand, you can't bet more than three times that, $75., on the next. No more $25. $2500. $25. $2500."

The limit at that time was $2500. This wasn't that long ago actually, about twenty or so years ago, but that was the limit at that casino at that time, $2500. This was when I was barely of legal age to gamble, but I had been playing blackjack and other card games since I was about eight years old, for fun, so I may have been relatively new to casinos but not new to playing cards.

After the BJ "ban" (handicap), I stayed away from Vegas entirely for almost two years, came back to the same casino, kept playing the same way, won for a matter of hours only, and got booted again from BJ.

Then I switched to Baccarat, and won even more at it than I had ever won at BJ. Eventually I became friends with the Director of Table Games who had set the handicap on me, who had since transferred to a different Wynn casino on the Strip, and he let me resume BJ play, and even laughed about how I liked to alternate between table min and max. But for whatever reason, I never really went back so hard to BJ, and have stuck with Baccarat. I just feel more comfortable betting big at Bacc.

I still play double deck BJ occasionally, but there is only one casino on the strip where they stand on soft 17 double deck BJ, so I pretty much play BJ at that casino only. There is one other casino, off the strip, where the double deck BJ is not only stand 17 but allows resplit aces and comes to a 0.14 house edge, but I am banned entirely from that casino - they fear me.

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To clarify about Mdawg being his own #1 fan. I just have no clue. It is sorta beyond the realm of actual real gambling so I have no interest. Chip porn is kinda cool.

I really just don't read what the guy says because it doesn't interest me. I also don't read Kewl's stuff about Mdawg. I read Mdawg's anti-Kewl stuff much closer and.. well.. he's relentless. I just read it in awe.

Much like Singer I can never tell where the joke vs the serious starts and stops. Probably far more seriousness with these guys .. I just can't imagine.

Singer brought a good time to this forum with his preposterous tales complete with his weird documentation. Ducking MaxPen and whomever else. Mdawg's basic story though isn't that.

And to sum it up. You're flat out wrong about Mdawg being his #1 fan. He is #2. Kewl is #1. Same with Singer's #1 fan. ha!

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I think you missed the running joke> Marcus Clark self-proclaimed(I believe they even had it in his signature) number one fan of the Mdawg fan club claimed to have learned a significant amount from MDawg who inspired him to bet big with lots of winning stories( It all stunk to hell from the very beginning).

He made up an entire story about betting big(10k?) and winning on some new table game. Little did he know someone was directly involved with, or had knowledge of that particular table game. It turns out the table limit on this game was even close to that amount. Apparently, he was permanently banned due to this situation.

Don't let your disdain for KJ Cloud your judgment about MD.

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We all have some major faults. I won't hold that against you.

PloppyDawg claims he's playing with an advantage. There are multiple posts that clearly suggest the contrary. I just happened to accidentally click on this one since it's at the beginning of one of these threads.

Read this and tell me this guy knows anything about Advantage play.

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No one's trying to make a living at gambling. But at the same time, if I lost money at it I wouldn't continue with it. I just somehow have managed to stay ahead, and the only dent they have made in my progress was when they banned (handicapped) my BJ play. To summarize, they got tired of my wild fluctuations between table min and table max at double deck BJ and that I was winning all of my table max bets including many double downs. Obviously the count alone could not have justified such luck, but after this went on for a number of days on yet another winning trip, the casino I was playing at, owned by Steve Wynn, stepped in and "handicapped" me - to a 3X spread.

"From now on if you bet $25. on a hand, you can't bet more than three times that, $75., on the next. No more $25. $2500. $25. $2500."

The limit at that time was $2500. This wasn't that long ago actually, about twenty or so years ago, but that was the limit at that casino at that time, $2500. This was when I was barely of legal age to gamble, but I had been playing blackjack and other card games since I was about eight years old, for fun, so I may have been relatively new to casinos but not new to playing cards.

After the BJ "ban" (handicap), I stayed away from Vegas entirely for almost two years, came back to the same casino, kept playing the same way, won for a matter of hours only, and got booted again from BJ.

Then I switched to Baccarat, and won even more at it than I had ever won at BJ. Eventually I became friends with the Director of Table Games who had set the handicap on me, who had since transferred to a different Wynn casino on the Strip, and he let me resume BJ play, and even laughed about how I liked to alternate between table min and max. But for whatever reason, I never really went back so hard to BJ, and have stuck with Baccarat. I just feel more comfortable betting big at Bacc.

I still play double deck BJ occasionally, but there is only one casino on the strip where they stand on soft 17 double deck BJ, so I pretty much play BJ at that casino only. There is one other casino, off the strip, where the double deck BJ is not only stand 17 but allows resplit aces and comes to a 0.14 house edge, but I am banned entirely from that casino - they fear me.

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To clarify about Mdawg being his own #1 fan. I just have no clue. It is sorta beyond the realm of actual real gambling so I have no interest. Chip porn is kinda cool.

I really just don't read what the guy says because it doesn't interest me. I also don't read Kewl's stuff about Mdawg. I read Mdawg's anti-Kewl stuff much closer and.. well.. he's relentless. I just read it in awe.

Much like Singer I can never tell where the joke vs the serious starts and stops. Probably far more seriousness with these guys .. I just can't imagine.

Singer brought a good time to this forum with his preposterous tales complete with his weird documentation. Ducking MaxPen and whomever else. Mdawg's basic story though isn't that.

And to sum it up. You're flat out wrong about Mdawg being his #1 fan. He is #2. Kewl is #1. Same with Singer's #1 fan. ha!

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I think you missed the running joke> Marcus Clark self-proclaimed(I believe they even had it in his signature) number one fan of the Mdawg fan club claimed to have learned a significant amount from MDawg who inspired him to bet big with lots of winning stories( It all stunk to hell from the very beginning).

He made up an entire story about betting big(10k?) and winning on some new table game. Little did he know someone was directly involved with, or had knowledge of that particular table game. It turns out the table limit on this game was even close to that amount. Apparently, he was permanently banned due to this situation.

Don't let your disdain for KJ Cloud your judgment about MD.

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We all have some major faults. I won't hold that against you.

PloppyDawg claims he's playing with an advantage. There are multiple posts that clearly suggest the contrary. I just happened to accidentally click on this one since it's at the beginning of one of these threads.

Read this and tell me this guy knows anything about Advantage play.

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No one's trying to make a living at gambling. But at the same time, if I lost money at it I wouldn't continue with it. I just somehow have managed to stay ahead, and the only dent they have made in my progress was when they banned (handicapped) my BJ play. To summarize, they got tired of my wild fluctuations between table min and table max at double deck BJ and that I was winning all of my table max bets including many double downs. Obviously the count alone could not have justified such luck, but after this went on for a number of days on yet another winning trip, the casino I was playing at, owned by Steve Wynn, stepped in and "handicapped" me - to a 3X spread.

"From now on if you bet $25. on a hand, you can't bet more than three times that, $75., on the next. No more $25. $2500. $25. $2500."

The limit at that time was $2500. This wasn't that long ago actually, about twenty or so years ago, but that was the limit at that casino at that time, $2500. This was when I was barely of legal age to gamble, but I had been playing blackjack and other card games since I was about eight years old, for fun, so I may have been relatively new to casinos but not new to playing cards.

After the BJ "ban" (handicap), I stayed away from Vegas entirely for almost two years, came back to the same casino, kept playing the same way, won for a matter of hours only, and got booted again from BJ.

Then I switched to Baccarat, and won even more at it than I had ever won at BJ. Eventually I became friends with the Director of Table Games who had set the handicap on me, who had since transferred to a different Wynn casino on the Strip, and he let me resume BJ play, and even laughed about how I liked to alternate between table min and max. But for whatever reason, I never really went back so hard to BJ, and have stuck with Baccarat. I just feel more comfortable betting big at Bacc.

I still play double deck BJ occasionally, but there is only one casino on the strip where they stand on soft 17 double deck BJ, so I pretty much play BJ at that casino only. There is one other casino, off the strip, where the double deck BJ is not only stand 17 but allows resplit aces and comes to a 0.14 house edge, but I am banned entirely from that casino - they fear me.

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To clarify about Mdawg being his own #1 fan. I just have no clue. It is sorta beyond the realm of actual real gambling so I have no interest. Chip porn is kinda cool.

I really just don't read what the guy says because it doesn't interest me. I also don't read Kewl's stuff about Mdawg. I read Mdawg's anti-Kewl stuff much closer and.. well.. he's relentless. I just read it in awe.

Much like Singer I can never tell where the joke vs the serious starts and stops. Probably far more seriousness with these guys .. I just can't imagine.

Singer brought a good time to this forum with his preposterous tales complete with his weird documentation. Ducking MaxPen and whomever else. Mdawg's basic story though isn't that.

And to sum it up. You're flat out wrong about Mdawg being his #1 fan. He is #2. Kewl is #1. Same with Singer's #1 fan. ha!

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I think you missed the running joke> Marcus Clark self-proclaimed(I believe they even had it in his signature) number one fan of the Mdawg fan club claimed to have learned a significant amount from MDawg who inspired him to bet big with lots of winning stories( It all stunk to hell from the very beginning).

He made up an entire story about betting big(10k?) and winning on some new table game. Little did he know someone was directly involved with, or had knowledge of that particular table game. It turns out the table limit on this game was even close to that amount. Apparently, he was permanently banned due to this situation.

Don't let your disdain for KJ Cloud your judgment about MD.

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Are you asking if I still don't know exactly what Mdawg is doing?

I only have my theories and those theories don't involve any significant Advantage Play and he is a -EV gambler overall and he is not winning to the tune of what and how he claims and would have us believe.

If he is an actual Advantage Player doing some of the things he claims, then he has been purposely deceiving us and has gone out of his way to talk and act like a -EV player.

Just one statement/post alone that he has made is enough for me and many others to believe he is full of s***.

There have been so many of those, but let's just take a look at this one/.... He claims to have 50 hands of black hands of blackjack in a row. Sure he was able to weasel his way out of that statement with Mike by pointing out he used the the word some after the word 50. But, we all know damn well exactly what he was saying and what he meant. How do we know 50 some didn't mean above 50. I mean was it maybe 45, 46 47 48 49 in a row?

You can go back and look at a post where he claims he can do just about every known table games AP move. Shuffle tracking, Ace sequencing, card steering, Counting, Edge sorting, or whatever the f*** he was claiming. I don't remember how many or exactly what, it's probably just the more well-known AP moves that he read or heard about and claimed it.

I do remember him telling a story about how he was invited back to a casino or some nonsense after being kicked out/backed off. He claimed he made some type of nonsense promise to the manager/host or whomever, that he would no longer engage in any type of +Ev shenanigans or whatever. I don't remember exactly what the deal was that he claimed. I just remember reading it and saying what the f*** is this nonsense b*******. And, if that's the case and he's been lying to us about not engaging in that type of stuff anymore. The dude has basically said that he doesn't need Advantage to play to win he just needs to know how to read shoes and whatnot. I'm not going to go back and search at this point, I know what he said, I know what he meant, I know what he was saying.

UNKewlJ’s crazy ideas about whom it is okay to doxx and whom it is not okay to doxx, are as misguided and inconsistent as most everything he has to say. He’s weak, he’s stupid, and he’s a liar, and there isn’t much more anyone here can do to hurt him more than he hurts himself every day when he expends all his energy in continued desperate attempts to prove that his stories are anything more than lies.

Just the fact that he can’t even stay away from forums that he has declared dozens of times that he must quit, is proof of the torture that goes on inside him daily. :)

Junior psychologist AccountinQuestion continues with the slicing open of the UNKewl one, yes, like a fish!

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I'm not sure what to think of Singer but at the end of the day he laughs most of this shit off. You can't. That's pretty much the sum of this whole situation between you 2.

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Let me put it this way: If I knew Professor Slots' address (which I don't), I wouldn't even share it privately. I have a duty to warn that Professor Slots is selling bullshit slot systems. Actually, I don't even have specific animosity to The Nutty Professor; he was just a good example to use to warn people of that sort of thing, in general.

I certainly wouldn't target Professor Slots personally; he has done nothing to me.

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I don't know who Professor slots is, but I can use my imagination. So sticking with this example, if you had information about Professor slot, that directly proved his claims were BS, would that be wrong to post so those being scammed could see? I just don't think that is so terrible.

Now you mentioned posting an address. I didn't do that. I wouldn't do that. Yet Mdawg did that to/about me. All I did was post information so people would be able to look into the person if they wanted and see for themselves the claims of all that winning were, just as most suspected, a fabricated fantasy.

And again, if somebody has the kind of information on me, proving that I am an orderly in a hospital, or work at a burger joint, or any of the ridiculous claims people say, they should post it. But nobody has that information so they can't. Instead they just make up stupid shit, like Male prostitue, homeless living in the tunnels.

And what is really bizarre is that both people that have been able to find me, or information about me, The late Moses and Mdawg, actually proved my claims. they both almost immediately regretted that, so they immediately pivoted and just continued making other shit up. They actuall began posting lies and shit that contradict what they doxxed and proved. Only on the fucked up internet forums. :D

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Professor Slots is less objectively evil CM; he actually seems like a fairly nice guy. I'm conflicted as to whether or not he actually takes his own snake oil. I'd probably be even more lenient in my opinion if I could be sure he actually believes what he's saying. The fact that he charges money for information obviously increases my skepticism. I've offered advice both publicly and privately, and unless it goes into an article, I make a point NOT to charge for most anything I do.

His claims are mathematically invalid on their face. There's nothing to 'prove wrong,' per se. His claims that don't strictly relate to the math of slot machines are, at best, spurious; they are also often inconsistent with themselves.

An address is just an example. I wouldn't post his real name, or share it privately, even if I knew it as that could lead to someone getting his address. In short, I would not share non-volunteered private information about him, or anyone else, either publicly or privately. He is doing what he does online, so if I am going to counter him at all, my countering will also be restricted to online.

Another key difference between he and CM is that I think Professor Slots has some amount of class. I would sit down and have a discussion with him. I actually offered that at the end of the article:

https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/the-nutty-professor/

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With that, should he happen to read this and consider anything that I have said unfair, then I will accept a one hour Zoom meeting with him (I won’t even charge for my service) where he is free to offer a rebuttal to anything that I have said and we can have a debate as to the merits of his strategies.

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You might concern yourself with that this gives him credibility, or a platform, but if I am going to challenge him, then I must also offer him the opportunity to defend himself against my challenges. That's especially true if I am also going to dictate the terms by which I will allow him to rebut me directly. Naturally, I received no response along these lines.

If you were homeless and living in the tunnels, hypothetically speaking, then I am not sure how someone would go about 'proving' that. One would first need a person who is meant to be KewlJ, then one would have to prove that this physical person is, in fact, KewlJ, then one would have to prove that this physical person lives in the tunnels.

Besides, your account is one of being a mid-level Blackjack card counter; I can't imagine what would ever make that worth going to the effort of disproving, but as mentioned, many of the participants here (myself included) are quite insane; I am just not insane in that way. It's actually more than a little alarming that I should be the adult in any room; I'm really not the best choice for the voice of reason, but I go where I am needed.

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Is there a certifying authority and certification process for this?

How about certified source material for "the way Las Vegas works"?

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Yes. In my hypothetical, the 'Certifying authority and certification process,' would be whatever KewlJ believes is satisfactory, as it would be his forum.

In light of the recent video that Crimm linked to, I would say anyone who has ever argued that there is not substantial money in multicarding would be immediately disqualified.

Did any of that stuff come with a list of countermeasures, illegalities, common knowledge of, and, say, consequences of, as anything to detract from? The reason that the idiotic podcasts in general don't. So much baloney built up into a special sort and degree of bullshit.

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That's the condition we have now, and there are participants.

So why would he need to start another forum?

But hypotheticals aside, is that what you really meant by "vetted"?

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So much baloney built up into a special sort and degree of bullshit.

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Within the first 2 minutes of the podcast, the guest asserts that coin-in creates an illusion of play.

I wonder what constitutes actual play, if coin-in is an illusion.

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That's the condition we have now, and there are participants.

So why would he need to start another forum?

But hypotheticals aside, is that what you really meant by "vetted"?

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How could I put the hypothetical aside when the hypothetical is literally the only context in which I was using, 'Vetted?' If I put the hypothetical aside, then I wouldn't have used the word in that sentence; therefore, I would not have meant anything by it.

For one thing, if KewlJ wishes for there to be a Forum requirement that people who are not AP's post under real name, or in the alternative, that people who he doesn't believe can be Doxxed, then he would have to start a new one. As far as I am aware, there are no gambling forums with those rules.

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So much baloney built up into a special sort and degree of bullshit.

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Within the first 2 minutes of the podcast, the guest asserts that coin-in creates an illusion of play.

I wonder what constitutes actual play, if coin-in is an illusion.

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Which one? The one that Crimm linked to? You can either learn shit or not learn shit. The choice is yours. The information contained in that podcast is both fair and substantially accurate.

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For one thing, if KewlJ wishes for there to be a Forum requirement that people who are not AP's post under real name, or in the alternative, that people who he doesn't believe can be Doxxed, then he would have to start a new one. As far as I am aware, there are no gambling forums with those rules.

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Come on Mission. That is NOT what I said. No 2 tiers. What I am saying is if someone is going to pull this shit where all they do is mislead members with fantasy BS claims, then it is fair game to exposed them and what they are really winning or losing as opposed to these misleading BS claims.

If you are going to use the anonymity of forums to try to hurt people, the you forfeit that anonymity.

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people who he doesn't believe can be Doxxed

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Aren't we participating under those conditions right now?