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Oh, I'm sorry, coach. You may have forgotten to post that part. Where is it? Help me out here, buddy. C'mon, man, you're detail-oriented.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Random details?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
You can't martian your way out of this, eddie's post was #468 & yours was #469, so the context is crystal clear.
So what?...you called his daughter a whore.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
This is why I have said that when it comes to trolling on this site KJ and redietz have been just as bad if not worse than Rob. And yes, I've been a bat out of hell troll on this site to. But Rob and I have both admitted our trolling ways. KJ and redietz are still in denial.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
I recall that incident, and I went back and took a look at the thread.
I think you're being too hard on Alan, he mostly supported you regarding the Wynn hit...
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Originally Posted by arcimede$
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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Anyway, reading through the thread, I found an interesting exchange.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
This should put an end to Mr redietz's endless crocodile tears shed over Rob's comments about his late wife.
This is when the gloves came off...apologies are in order...
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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
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Originally Posted by a2a3dseddie
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Originally Posted by redietz
He still did business part time. Not sure what % of his time though. Most of his texts to me were either jackpot pics (which I all believed without claiming photoshopping) or to post his opinions for him here.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJOk, so I have a question about "AndrewG" that I have been wondering about for a couple weeks. Andrew seemed to be on top of the information about the Nevada unemployment situation, in a way that only someone who had filed and was attempting to get benefits would. Andrew told us he looked into it because his neighbors, laid off casino workers were effected. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
So what I am wondering and couldn't ask because I wouldn't have gotten a straight answer....is Alan eligible for unemployment benefits? I mean not under the special rules applying to professional gamblers, but is he officially self employed? or still working or anything like that that anyone knows of?
First, I don't even know how, nor want to contact Alan. Nor do I want to be a part of said inquisition. I can already guess how it will end. Mike will find it inconclusive and probably leave it open based on introduction of new evidence....which will never come.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyThere's no point is asking questions here, we've been on that dizzying carousel for too long.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Best to send your questions/answers/strategies, etc directly to Shack to help him prepare for his inquisition.
Use Alan as your intermediary if Shack won't take your calls.
Imagine that...you and Alan on the same team.
But since you have your "reasonable" shoes on today, posting more reasonable than usual, let me ask you. Do you not find it odd that Rob rushed to destroy any and all evidence that might have supported this claim, a claim so very unusual, it would be one of the most talked things about in the gambling community? I mean Rob has been making claims for decades that no one believed. Is it really believable that he didn't know he would be asked to provide something?
None of your facts here, redietz, takes away from the fact that you attacked Rob's daughter. But you get offended if anyone attacks yours. Troll on, dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzYou realize, of course, that "The Den of Pure Envy" is a "Singer" phrase he had been employing at that time to characterize others, so I lifted it sarcastically?Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
I recall that incident, and I went back and took a look at the thread.
I think you're being too hard on Alan, he mostly supported you regarding the Wynn hit...
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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Anyway, reading through the thread, I found an interesting exchange.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
This should put an end to Mr redietz's endless crocodile tears shed over Rob's comments about his late wife.
This is when the gloves came off...apologies are in order...
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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
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Originally Posted by a2a3dseddie
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Originally Posted by redietz
Now, coach, with all of your gotchas, surely you knew that.
No, you didn't realize that? I accept your apology.
You know, you really should provide some context when you do all of this research. Otherwise some of the fine research is wasted.
And, in case anyone doesn't know it, The Green Door is not a brothel. It's a swinger's club location off Sahara.
So "The Den of Pure Envy" is where "Singer" had been saying various posters lived. And The Green Door" is a swinger's club off Sahara, which I have proudly toured. They do give tours, you know.
He said "probably" ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
That is a joke. I don't know when that conversation took place, probably before my time here, but Redietz comments were out of line. But I mean come on, 1 attack in poor taste doesn't equal hundreds or more.
Were I waiting out the statute of limitations there is no way I would keep any kind of documentation around me that could be used against me in a court of law.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJGood for you Rob. I was just about to write that I think you should do it. You do realize he is going to ask for documentation or anything that can back up your claim(s). Do you have anything at all, that could be considered supporting documentation or supporting evidence?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Forward your questions to WOV, use Axel if Alan doesn't work for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I try to dispose of useless items promptly.
But I don't have any earthshaking claims, and I don't like clutter.
Try phrasing your questions without prefacing with back-handed compliments, it's insincere.
I've already said there is no way, if I were waiting out the statute of limitations, I would keep any kind of ducumentation that could be used against me.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI know Axel made a comment, I believe in the Rob Singer Redux thread at WoV, where Wizard first agreed to look into your claim. Axel said something like "He (meaning Singer) ought to be able to provide some sort of proof".Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
What about documentation from casinos? Look Rob, I am not trying to have a gottch ya moment here, but your answer really doesn't cut it. While the government doesn't require you to keep tax returns, you also are not required to throw them out. So don't give us the "why should I". because I have an answer for that.
You should have kept documentation for this claim, because if your story is how you say, you knew you were going to publicize this claim once the statute of limitations expired. And having been making claims for years, and decades that few believe, you knew it would come up. So you should have kept whatever necessary to prove your claim. Not doing so, just makes no sense, and really weakens your claim, when you could have proven it.
Go back and read the first 5 posts in this thread. It was in private messaging on twitter. Christ, KJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJAfter Alan's meeting with Rob? Did you ask him publicly on this forum? I ask, because that could show what Alan's real intent with all this is (which I think most of us know).Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You would expect that would be obvious but maybe to some it's not. The IRS doesn't keep it either.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmI've already said there is no way, if I were waiting out the statute of limitations, I would keep any kind of ducumentation that could be used against me.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI know Axel made a comment, I believe in the Rob Singer Redux thread at WoV, where Wizard first agreed to look into your claim. Axel said something like "He (meaning Singer) ought to be able to provide some sort of proof".Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
What about documentation from casinos? Look Rob, I am not trying to have a gottch ya moment here, but your answer really doesn't cut it. While the government doesn't require you to keep tax returns, you also are not required to throw them out. So don't give us the "why should I". because I have an answer for that.
You should have kept documentation for this claim, because if your story is how you say, you knew you were going to publicize this claim once the statute of limitations expired. And having been making claims for years, and decades that few believe, you knew it would come up. So you should have kept whatever necessary to prove your claim. Not doing so, just makes no sense, and really weakens your claim, when you could have proven it.
That's not for you to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Wives are a social construct, children are blood...big difference, to us fathers anyway.
You can go to Alan's website, Alanbestbuys and email him from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJFirst, I don't even know how, nor want to contact Alan. Nor do I want to be a part of said inquisition. I can already guess how it will end. Mike will find it inconclusive and probably leave it open based on introduction of new evidence....which will never come.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyThere's no point is asking questions here, we've been on that dizzying carousel for too long.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Best to send your questions/answers/strategies, etc directly to Shack to help him prepare for his inquisition.
Use Alan as your intermediary if Shack won't take your calls.
Imagine that...you and Alan on the same team.
But since you have your "reasonable" shoes on today, posting more reasonable than usual, let me ask you. Do you not find it odd that Rob rushed to destroy any and all evidence that might have supported this claim, a claim so very unusual, it would be one of the most talked things about in the gambling community? I mean Rob has been making claims for decades that no one believed. Is it really believable that he didn't know he would be asked to provide something?
Excuses. Excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJHe said "probably" ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
That is a joke. I don't know when that conversation took place, probably before my time here, but Redietz comments were out of line. But I mean come on, 1 attack in poor taste doesn't equal hundreds or more.
Alan "Platinum Sombrero" Mendelson. Five strikeouts in one lifetime. The 1959 Peugeot is doing a drive by.
What is going on here? I have no desire to influence Mike's investigation. I hope it all comes out well and we get to the bottom of these claims, something I have tried to do for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Hey look, if I wanted to sabotage the whole thing, all I would have to do is some how contact Mike and say I think him looking into this is a good thing. That would put an immediate end to it as he would immediately call it off. ;)
Has Alan really been married 5 times? If so that IS incredible in a weird way.
Some of us have had intimate relationships with more than one woman...not just sexually intimate, but loving commitments without marriage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deech
Most don't consider their lost loves as strike-outs...it's quite the opposite in my experience.
KJ and redietz have both had barrels of fun trolling in this thread. And redietz has been having some fun trolling Rob in the Singer thread at WoV. But I have to take Mr. Dietz to task for some of the things he wrote in that thread. I'll use quotes for his remarks.
"Singer had glommed on to Alan to ramp up his notoriety."
This is red's opinion but he writes it like it is fact. It is just pure speculation on redietz's part.
"Singer decided to go with the double up bug story, which makes halfway sense in explaining some things. If he was involved in that he did not "discover it." He would have been an errand boy, a kind of video poker equivalent of a "runner" in sportsbetting terminology."
This is where redietz really goes off the deep end. I can understand having a runner in sportbetting where the professional is running high volume with not so big an edge and can afford to pay runners. But the double up bug is a play where if you got $100 in your pocket you are good to go. Sure there have been machine pros that have hired people. I have even been asked to go to work for them. I always turned that shit down because there were always low wager/low risk plays available to make money. And on this double up play were I offered a job when I got only $200 in my pocket my answer would have been:
"This play only takes a hundred dollar bill and you are good to go. WTF would I work for you. GTFO!" You have to give Rob some credit somewhere. He's to smart to accept being a runner on a play that just don't take any money to start it.
How would redietz know whether Rob discovered the play or not. Did he have any evidence to draw that conclusion? NO!!! But as we all know redietz likes to frame his opinions as facts.
It's not that incredible or weird, it's just different.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Alan is/was in show business...maybe you didn't know...show people are different.
Have you ever been married to a woman? Or had a serious girlfriend?
Nope!Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Then look at your mother's life...was it weird for her to have been married more than once?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJNope!Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
What the heck is a "runner"? Does that mean red's claiming someone else discovered the play in '04 and I put on my loafers and said "yez boss"? Huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Also, Alan found me and wanted to do a whole lot more than he did.
WTF does glommed mean?
Weird. Just plain weird.
My guess is it means someone that makes bets in the sportsbooks for you. But yes, redeitz is saying you were a flunky on the play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerWhat the heck is a "runner"? Does that mean red's claiming someone else discovered the play in '04 and I put on my loafers and said "yez boss"? Huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Look, I am not judging. relationships are hard to begin with. And people grow apart. Usually no ONE person is to blame and that goes for even if one has cheated on the other. There still is the breakdown that lead to them growing apart and almost always there is enough blame to go around.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyThen look at your mother's life...was it weird for her to have been married more than once?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJNope!Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
So while I wouldn't characterize any marriage or relationship that ends as a failure, I think if 5 marriages end in divorce, I might begin to wonder??? Yikes!
Do these marriages of Alan's last years or days and weeks? I mean is he tricking them into thinking he has money or something and then when they find out the truth....?? what exactly is going on?
And BTW, isn't there support issues with divorce? Alimony and stuff? How can Alan afford all that?
You are judging.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Gay marriage is a relatively new phenomenon,
but how may times have you been in love? Less than 5?
Is it weird that you broke up and found someone else?
Then the fact that he would claim something like that without any knowledge whatsoever goes a long way in explaning many of the things he says.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmMy guess is it means someone that makes bets in the sportsbooks for you. But yes, redeitz is saying you were a flunky on the play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerWhat the heck is a "runner"? Does that mean red's claiming someone else discovered the play in '04 and I put on my loafers and said "yez boss"? Huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I know a little more than you might think I know. Let me put it this way, I guarantee that your story of discovering the glitch on the Best Buys site is complete nonsense. A fabrication.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerThen the fact that he would claim something like that without any knowledge whatsoever goes a long way in explaning many of the things he says.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmMy guess is it means someone that makes bets in the sportsbooks for you. But yes, redeitz is saying you were a flunky on the play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Until you put up the evidence you're just a bald faced liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Well, mickey, I was hoping you'd say that. Interesting thing about the "Singer" origin story on Best Buys. There is no evidence to support it. None.
What is stopping you from posting the information that you have?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Did you base your guarantee that the story is not true on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
In a word, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmDid you base your guarantee that the story is not true on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
But I hope you recognize that, based on your comments, Rob must also be a bald-faced liar since he offered no evidence. That bald-faced lying goes both ways. Or maybe with you it doesn't, eh?
Weird. Just plain weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzIn a word, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmDid you base your guarantee that the story is not true on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
But I hope you recognize that, based on your comments, Rob must also be a bald-faced liar since he offered no evidence. That bald-faced lying goes both ways. Or maybe with you it doesn't, eh?
I finally found out how to get into the WoV forum where all this activity about Alan is happening. And you know what I see? Alan furiously keeps reading this forum to correct dumb mistakes and lies he's feeding those people. There's two GLARING instances, which I'll be happy to point out to them if wizard discusses any of it with me.
First, remember how Alan claims I "duped" him so he just HAD to report it out of some type of duty? Well, he had a long, long time to say something, but as I said earlier, he curiously didn't say a thing until after I scolded him for his antics as "AndrewG" when I posted a win.
Which brings me to his second blooper. In his latest WoV post, he's now claiming "oh, how he struggled mightily for over a year" on how to report what I had told him. Yes that's right....right after I questioned his timing right here. Right after I admitted that I always had firmly believed he was a degenerate gambler, and for what reasons, right here!
The guy is making it up as he goes over there, then he jumpsover here, reads posts, then scrambles back there to fabricate history. CNN wouldn't even hire such a hack.
If the wizard gave two shits about the forum anymore, he would unban Singer, and let him posts again, reviving that forum on life support. They would get triple the daily views, if they unbanned just a few of the old legends including Jerry Logan...wait a minute...Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyHas a banned member ever gotten their own forum thread at WOV before?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Alan thought he needed permission to even type the words Rob Singer.
Rob, earlier you asked what kind of evidence you could provide. When I made suggestions, you had the reasons why you couldn't (threw away all documentation) already loaded and ready to fire. But I offered a second suggestion that you completely ignored. So I will ask again. Can you provide any of those many people that you trained over the 10 year period? And not some sock puppet joining here, but real live flesh and breathing people that could meet with Mike and/or Alan and be videoed. I mean you taught these people a life-changing system. Surely they would be willing to do this for you. :cool:
And if you read what I posted last year you'd have seen where I only know of one person I've trained, out of hundreds, who has the bankroll, aptitude, and desire to play my exact strategy successfully, which he still does. He does not post on forums and when asked he said no. He lives in housing across from SP.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
The vast majority of those I've trained use my lessons in some form of formulating their own strategy, to play more enjoyably and to win or lose less. I didn't keep names and numbers and even if I did and they came on here to support what I did, you'd either say I'm using socks, or I'm paying them to say what they say. Same with that idiot redietz. He's probably claiming they all died of coronavirus.
Kew, do you keep 10-15 years of tax returns? I never have, and I guarantee our forms are much more involved than yours. If you do retain them past the required 3 or 7 years, why?
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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Rob, this just doesn't fly. You made these two quotes just today. Bragging that you had successfully trained people for 10 years to play this magical system. Then when asked to produce even one of these people, suddenly only one had the bankroll and you can't produce him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Rob, you just have zero credibility.
Rob answered my Q about how much he won.
Next - and perhaps this is already posted and out there, but for whatever reason no one seems to be discussing it:
How much exactly did he win over which exact years with his first method (whatever that was), and how much exactly did he win with this second method he calls the "double up," and over which exact years?
If he has mentioned the years and the amounts, has the story always been consistent?
And then now, and this is the first I've heard of this, he mentions some method that is teachable. That doesn't seem to fit either taking advantage of a double up "bug" or the manipulation of "video poker machines to produce wins and payoffs [that] might have been illegal" which Alan mentions. So is this something new, his claim that he has a teachable method that he has in fact taught, or has he been saying this all along?
If I were the Wizard interviewing him I would nail down these facts: How Much, When, and How. That last "interview" of his that the Wiz did was very general.
In any case, if Rob's posted consistently about whatever he's done over the years, that says something. Maybe not everything, but it does say something. If however the story has shifted and changed, that also says something.
As far as its being a long time ago, and he can't remember what exactly happened...that is malarky. I remember like it was yesterday almost every trip I took from before my decade or so hiatus as far as the rough numbers on each trip, and there were dozens and dozens from my play from before that long break, and I certainly remember every trip from the past two years. I've been posting about all these trips for a couple years now, and have never contradicted myself as far as posting something one day and then later posting something entirely different.
As far as these "investigators" like Axel, he's worthless. The one guy he claims that he "unearthed" (SigfriedRoy), Axel can't even remember why he thinks the guy is a fraud.
So I wouldn't base my opinion on Rob on what anyone says, but on what he has himself said. Can he remember exactly when and what he won, and how? And has he posted about this consistently without contradiction over the years?
I have 35 years of tax returns in orange shoe boxes in my basement. The boxes are 9 by 13 inches, hence they do not take up significant room. Yes, my returns are complicated, hence the slight inconvenience of a few athletic cardboard quadrants.
:D:D:D This forum doesn't have an emoji that is laughing hard enough. Consistent, without contradiction. :D:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
What I haven't figured out...is what J's purpose is at this, or any forum? He's a little like the lilies of the field in that he neither toils nor spins, but unlike the lilies of the Bible, he has no glory.
If Rob has an idea that has been presented, consistently, let's hear it.
In any case, there are no contradictions in anything I have posted. If I have said that I won such and such on such date, I haven't ever come back later with a different figure. It's all consistent. If J wishes to point one contradiction out, I'll listen.
Gay Activism and the Green Door... it all makes sense now.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Social Construct huh??Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
It seems to me that something more serious than social construct happens to a husband and wife (man and woman).
It appears they become One Flesh (Blood) according to these verses...
Genesis 2:24
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Matthew 19:5
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mark 10:8
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
Ephesians 5:31
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Euphemism sexy time cream pie. Beast two backs.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetGay Activism and the Green Door... it all makes sense now.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Social Construct huh??Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
It seems to me that something more serious than social construct happens to a husband and wife (man and woman).
It appears they become One Flesh (Blood) according to these verses...
Genesis 2:24
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Matthew 19:5
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mark 10:8
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
Ephesians 5:31
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
The above portion of mickeycrimm's original post got overlooked because of all the Singer drama also contained within.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
But now that Alan has been running around telling several people about how I "took advantage" of Jason, it's time to tell a story I really didn't want to tell. Like the rest of you, I saw their financial and familial problems play out here. I knew they were struggling. I didn't want to kick either of them while they were having more important life issues.
Therefore, I kept my mouth shut about something which made me quite unhappy.
Simply put, no good deed goes unpunished.
Background
I took over technical administration of the forum in 2013. I did this because Alan was having lots of trouble with the forum service he was using, to the point where even outgoing e-mail didn't work, so nobody could be e-mail verified, and the place got overrun by spambots. Alan handed over the technical reins to me, but he made all administrative decisions. I was just the tech monkey keeping it running smoothly (and also a frequent forum poster, as I had been before).
In February 2016, Alan sent me a message telling me to shut down the forum. He said it was a tremendous headache for little return, and that it was causing him some unspecified "legal liability" he didn't want. I tried to talk him out of it, but he was clearly fed up and ready to shut it down. I offered to take it off his hands, and he agreed. His only condition? That I transfer the forum to a different domain name, and rename it to where it's no longer associated with "Alan Best Buys". I agreed, and Vegas Casino Talk was born.
On February 22, 2016, the ownership transfer officially took place.
The License
However, there was still the matter of the forum license. See, this forum uses vBulletin software, which requires a license. The license is a one-time payment, and then you own it in perpetuity. The cost of a license is low -- usually around $125-$200. Fortunately, the forum already had a license. Jason Mendelson, Alan's son, had purchased one when they started the Alan Best Buys forum in 2010. Therefore, since the Alan Best Buys Forum had become Vegas Casino Talk, a new license was not required. That transfers, as well. (Basically vBulletin's license terms require you to have one license per forum, but you don't need to get a new license if you take over an existing licensed forum, as I did.)
For that reason, I didn't worry about the license. The vBulletin license was still in Jason's name, which always bothered me a bit. It was also an easy fix. All I had to do was go to vBulletin and buy a new license for Vegas Casino Talk, and replace the existing one. However, doing so seemed incredibly wasteful since we already had a perfectly good license. I figured I'd just stick with what we had, as it wasn't causing any problems.
Then Jason and Alan had that public and ugly blowout here, over money. Jason admitted in that whole exchange that he was struggling financially, and Alan also claimed the same. I felt bad for both of them. Sometime shortly after that, I thought about the license.
I realized I could help. Instead of sending money to vBulletin for a new license, perhaps I could help Jason out by buying the existing license from him at existing vBulletin pricing. This way, I'd be giving the money to him instead of vBulletin, and I'd finally have the software license under my own name.
Once again, keep in mind that the license itself was worth very little. I could have bought my own. The legal ownership of the forum and its content was already mine (for 3 years) by that point. There was just the matter of the vBulletin license -- worth $125-$200 or so. I just wanted to help out and give that money to Jason instead. There was also zero urgency on my end to do this. I could have done this any time, and Jason hadn't contacted me at any point about this site using the software license in his name. He can't even deny knowing the forum existed, or that I owned it, because he had already posted here about his issues with Alan.
My offer was simple: I would give him the amount of whatever the license was currently worth (meaning the cost of a new one), plus any transfer fees.
I Get the Shaft for my Generosity
Laughably, he came back with $550 -- a number WAY too high. I was being gouged! This wasn't a negotiation session -- he tried to trick me into overpaying! I didn't appreciate this one bit.
I was super close at that point to telling him to stuff it, and that I'd just buy it myself. However, I knew the guy was desperate for money, and instead I simply told him I knew $550 wasn't the license's value (at any point in history). Then he tried to quote me another ridiculous price like $350. The true price of a vBulletin license at the time, as it turns out, was $195. Since the cost of a license transfer was $45, I offered $240, and told him I wouldn't pay a penny more. Why should I? I was doing him a favor in the first place. I could have bought my own license from vBulletin for $195, and saved the $45 transfer fee!
He then complained that it "wasn't my dad's to sell you in the first place", but notice he didn't object to this "sale" for 3 years, because in reality Jason wanted nothing to do with the forum at that point, and hadn't even thought about it in ages. He was only raising the issue because I approached him about the license, which I didn't even need to do!
Then, strangely enough he said he'd sell it for $250 ($10 over the $195 + $45 transfer fee), but I had to "turn on the profantiy filter". What?? Why did he care about that? I refused. I told him I would continue to run it as-is, and would send $240 exactly. He reluctantly agreed.
The fact that Alan is pissed about this is mind-boggling. I was doing Jason a FAVOR because I knew he was having financial problems, and he attempted to overcharge me, hoping I didn't realize the true cost of a license. Then he claimed that the forum was transferred to me without his knowledge, but that's ALAN'S fault if it's really true, so how could Alan be mad at ME about it??
Finally, be aware that Jason never tried to justify the $550 he asked for by saying something like, "Hey, my dad transferred ownership to you 3 years ago without asking me, could you throw in a little extra please?"
I clearly offered to pay the amount the license cost plus the transfer fee, and his response was, "Sure, it's $550. Here's my PayPal." It was definitely an attempt to deceive me.
I look forward to hearing Alan's side of this story. Apparently he's harbored resentment over this for quite some time, which I don't understand at all.
MDawg, I didn't say there were contradictions or inconsistencies in YOUR posts or claims. You asked if Rob's claims were inconsistent and had changed over the years and I responded with my laughing emoji post because Rob's claims have changed a hundred times over the years, Had nothing to do with you or your claims, I was answering about Rob's claims which is what you asked about.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
Your response was that you flew off the handle and started calling me names. I appreciate that you edited and toned it down a bit.
You asked who I am and being that you are fairly new here and maybe haven't gone back and read the archives, I will share a bit of history of myself and this forum.
I am and AP. I play blackjack for a living, supporting myself solely from that for 16 years now since I was 21. I am not wealthy like it appears you are, but I make a comfortable living for me. And as an AP, I believe in the math. For a player to win longterm, over many years he has to be playing a +EV game or doing something that turns the game +EV. Anyone claiming otherwise is full of crap.
I don't call out every person on forums that makes such claims, but I do call out people that take it to a level where they are misleading and influencing other players. I just don't like that. While it is every person's responsibility to figure out for themselves who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking, every once in a while someone like Singer comes along, with not only a claim that can't be but a background story, and alternative math. The whole works. Those people I will challenge. Singer was the second such person I did.
When I got here several years ago Singers claim was that he played Video poker for a living from 2000-2009. Not playing with an advantage as a number of players and members here do, but by using proven voodoo things like progressive wagering and "special plays". His claim was that he made a million dollars over 10 years. Then he started listing amounts for houses and RV and stuff and that claim magically grew to about 1.5 million over 10 years.
So next thing we know about a year ago, Singer claims he played the double-up bug, which was a manipulation of a machine to allow a player to win jackpots he was otherwise not entitled to. The double up bug had been in the news and Now Singer was claiming that for his own. So his new claim was that he played this double up bug from 2004 through 2009 which is when the guys in the news article got busted. After a decade of his original claim, Singers new claim was that he had made 2.8 million playing the double up bug.
Now if you look at the dates, you see the conflict with his initial claim which he had made for years. So at that point he altered his initial claim involving his progressive system from it's original 2000-2009, million dollars, to 2000-2004, and 375k.
So that is the big conflict and contradictions to Singers claim. There are many, many more big and small about all sorts of claims and attacks that including attacks on 3 different members here and how their spouses died Singer claiming suicides and aids and things that are just blatantly false.
Now if you are not aware of Alan's involvement, this site was started and formerly owned by Alan Mendelson. He sold it to Dan Druff sometime before I began participating here. But during my time here, Alan had been Singer's biggest cheerleader and supporter. Whenver someone challenged the mathematics of Singers claims, Alan was there to support Singer. Alan even posted Videos of Singer's so called system and had extensive write-ups on Alan's website. Like I said he was Singer's biggest supporter. Now Alan is claiming that Singer confided in him a year ago and told him that his initial system was all a lie. Alan is claiming he feels he was duped. I mean there was only about 15 people on this forum, including all the AP's that tried for years to get Alan to understand the math. he chose to believe Singer and not the math.
But whatever, apparently Alan now regrets his support of Singer and wants the world to know that Singer "duped' him and that his claim was BS, which most players already know. I am not sure Alan is being truthful for his reasons, but most of what he is saying is true. Now giving Alan credit where credit is due, I want to close with a partial quote from one of Alan's posts tonight at WoV because frankly it is probably the single best thing Alan has ever posted and sums up this whole Singer situation.
What was missing was the proof of his claims but I trusted him and his explanations. The first time I did a video shoot with him at the Hard Rock I saw how he was treated and how he interacted with the manager there. Rob also arranged the logistics of the shoot there. That impressed me and also made me believe and trust him otherwise he wouldn't have been treated the way he was.
This continued for about ten years until his confession. That made me reexamine the big missing link: no proof. Always an explanation but never proof.
Regarding Rob, while the double-up-bug story is interesting to debate, the point is now moot from a legal perspective.
The statute of limitations has run out to prosecute Rob for this, and the statute of limitations for Alan to sue Rob for lying to him (which would be a stretch anyway) has also run out.
This isn't like a murder case. The statute of limitations for nonviolent criminal matters and civil matters tends to be fairly short.
I should also point out that, like my Pokerfraudalert forum, this place runs AT A LOSS.
Notice there are no ads here. Not one. Zero. Zilch.
So clearly I'm not getting rich off of this, and I didn't take advantage of poor Jason so I could greedily expand my lucrative forum empire.
I am running this forum because I got to enjoy it over time, and don't want to see it die. I tried to do Jason a favor by buying a license from him (which was absolutely useless to him at that point), instead of buying a new one for myself. I was even willing to pay $45 more to buy it from him rather than vBulletin, due to the transfer fee. I still wanted to do it because I wanted to help.
Now I'm being portrayed by Alan as a greedy asshole who cheated his son.
What a chump I turned out to be.
I think there is a bigger issue than the statute of limitations. For a decade Rob's existence here was his progressive strategy claim that he claims he played for 10 years to the tune of over a million dollars. All the challenges and name-calling were about that claim. The math guys saying it couldn't be so. You, yourself weighted in several times and while you didn't use the word "impossible" like I have, you indicated from a mathematically viewpoint Rob's claim was very unlikely. Actually I think you used language even a little stronger than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
So now Alan is claiming that Rob confided in him that this initial claim was a lie. That is sort of a big deal isn't it? I mean it isn't your responsibility to check out every person and their claims and stories. But for 10 years Rob turned this forum into a cesspool with all the name calling based on challenges to his claim, that Alan says Rob confided in him that was all made up. That doesn't bother you Dan?
Mr Dan, did Mr Alan pay you a fee to administer the forum for him? What was your monthly charge?
What did you pay Mr Alan for the forum? Nothing, is that correct?
Did Mr Alan tell you he wanted the forum taken down because he was disgusted with the personal attacks on him, his family and others, and didn't want any liability for those attacks?
Mr Dan, did you tell Mr Alan not to take down the forum because you wanted your many articles preserved?
Did you tell Mr Alan when you changed the name to VCT from the Alan Best Buys Forum that you would stop the hate posts that targeted Mr Alan?
When Mr Jason asked you to pay for the license did he tell you he paid for certain upgrades and the investment he made was higher than what you offered?
When Mr Jason asked you to apply the "filter" wasn't it made clear to you that Mr Jason wanted you to stop the attacks on his father, something you had said you would do?
Answer carefully Mr Dan.
Glad your back Mr Andrew, your making things interesting over at WOV, things are heating up.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
Rob's history in the gambling forums goes back to the early 2000's. Probably to 2002 on vpFREE and FREEvpFREE. Also the Las Vegas Adviser Forums and others in the mid to late 2000's. Rob was one formidable troll in all that time. But guess what, in all that time Rob dealt with hundreds who were trolling him. Just one person taking all that flak and dishing it back.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI think there is a bigger issue than the statute of limitations. For a decade Rob's existence here was his progressive strategy claim that he claims he played for 10 years to the tune of over a million dollars. All the challenges and name-calling were about that claim. The math guys saying it couldn't be so. You, yourself weighted in several times and while you didn't use the word "impossible" like I have, you indicated from a mathematically viewpoint Rob's claim was very unlikely. Actually I think you used language even a little stronger than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
So now Alan is claiming that Rob confided in him that this initial claim was a lie. That is sort of a big deal isn't it? I mean it isn't your responsibility to check out every person and their claims and stories. But for 10 years Rob turned this forum into a cesspool with all the name calling based on challenges to his claim, that Alan says Rob confided in him that was all made up. That doesn't bother you Dan?
When guys like KJ and redietz jump on Rob for being a troll I'm thinking to myself geesh they are fricking trolls to. And they have the nerve to say its someone else doing the trolling? GTFO!!
Let's see, we had Rob:
Living in a trailer court
Living in the driveway of his daughter's house
Using electricity and water for his "camper trailer" from his daughter's house.
On welfare and food stamps
Couldn't pay his bills
being evicted from a rental property
living in someone else's house
And this is just the start. So yeah, Rob did a lot of trolling. But in the gambling forums if you ask the question: Who is the most trolled member of the gambling forums? The answer would clearly be Rob Singer.
I don't think anyone ever trolled each other any harder than Rob and I did. We said some pretty viscious things to each other. So if I blame Rob for it then I have to blame myself to because I willingly participated in it. What was all that trolling we did to each other all about? It was about two guys showing each other they can't be outdone. In other words, it was all BULLSHIT!!
Now you notice that KJ and redietz never miss an opportunity to troll Rob. But according to them he's the only one doing the trolling. GTFO!!! They are trolls to but refuse to admit it.
Redietz, your claim is that you have been a professional sports handicapper for 40 years. You have never put up any evidence of it. Should I believe your story without evidence? You tell me.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzIn a word, no. But I hope you recognize that, based on your comments, Rob must also be a bald-faced liar since he offered no evidence. That bald-faced lying goes both ways. Or maybe with you it doesn't, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmDid you base your guarantee that the story is not true on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
That's an incredible amount of knowledge you have about things only Alan Mendelson, his son, and Dan would know about. How did you come across all that knowledge? Alan told me that you two have talked. Did he really go that in depth? Did you really ask that many detailed questions?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
AndrewG, when are you going to join WoV and support your new found "friend," Alan Mendelson? Everyone would love to see you on that site. You could make a tremendous contribution. You have a knack for asking pertinent questons concerning Alan Mendelson. I'm sure he would love to see you join WoV and comment on his situation.
Alan, this is getting sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
Just admit it's you.
I am not going to answer any financial related questions involving my transactions with Alan Mendelson, if they are asked by a supposed third party. When actual "Alan" shows up, then we can discuss those type of topics.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
However, I will answer the other questions:
"Did Mr Alan tell you he wanted the forum taken down because he was disgusted with the personal attacks on him, his family and others, and didn't want any liability for those attacks?"
Alan told me he wanted to take down the forum because of some kind of undisclosed legal liability, and refused to go into details. I wasn't interested in pressing hard to find out the exact reason. Once it became clear that Alan was not interested in running the forum anymore and wanted it deleted, my next thought was to find a way to keep it running.
"Mr Dan, did you tell Mr Alan not to take down the forum because you wanted your many articles preserved?"
I never said that. I don't write "articles" here -- only posts. Much of what I write here becomes obsolete as casinos change things. I wanted the forum itself preserved, because I had participated in it actively for 3 years.
"Did you tell Mr Alan when you changed the name to VCT from the Alan Best Buys Forum that you would stop the hate posts that targeted Mr Alan?"
I didn't use the phrase "hate posts". I said that I would keep any pointless trolling of Alan to a minimum, and I did that. However, I made it clear to Alan that, as he was a frequent and often controversial poster on the forum, I was not going to protect him from negative or insulting responses to his provocative material. I also told him that I wasn't going to delete negative statements about him made by those he intentionally angered with his controversial posting style.
"When Mr Jason asked you to pay for the license did he tell you he paid for certain upgrades and the investment he made was higher than what you offered?"
He didn't give any justification. I said I'd pay for the current value of the license, and he quoted me $550 as if that was the value. Later, he claimed that he paid something like $280 for the license (which isn't true, because a standard vBulletin license has always been cheaper than that, to my knowledge). Even if $280 was correct, it still didn't explain why he was asking for double that, unless he was just trying to gouge me. There were no "upgrades" here when I showed up and took over the tech work in 2013. It was a standard vBulletin forum running on some awful forum service which didn't work right.
"When Mr Jason asked you to apply the 'filter' wasn't it made clear to you that Mr Jason wanted you to stop the attacks on his father, something you had said you would do?"
No, he mentioned nothing about his father. He mentioned only that he wanted the "profanity filter" turned on, and didn't explain why. I can post that e-mail if you want, but again, only once you identify yourself as Alan.
"once you identify yourself as Alan" LMFAO!!!
Ok excellent, somebody at WoV posted a link to one of Rob's Gaming Today articles. Note the date of the article March 5, 2008. Read the article first and then the discussion.
https://www.gamingtoday.com/poker/ar...egy_that_works
So this is Rob's progressive wagering strategy. The strategy that his original claim said he played from 2000 to 2009, winning over a million dollars. And the timing works perfectly with that original claim. The math doesn't work but the timing does. In 2008 Rob was "pushing" this strategy in weekly columns at Gaming Today and pushing his books of the same strategy. THAT was his scam at the time, his troll at the time.
Now according to his new claim of playing the double up bug from 2004-2009 to the tune of 2.8 million, the timing of this article would have been when he was actually playing the double up bug. So why the articles and books pushing the progressive strategy? Rob will tell you it was to throw people off his trail. That it was for "cover". :rolleyes: But guess what if you are trying to lay low, you do so by just being quiet. No books or columns drawing attention.
The fact is these columns and books in 2008 were promoting Rob's progressive system, because THAT WAS HIS SCAM AT THE TIME. He hadn't heard of Nester or Kane or the double up bug. He didn't learn about Nester, Kane and the double up bug until after the WIRED article came out years later. THAT is when Rob's whole story, scam and timeline changed. AND he had to go back and revise his earlier claims.
This idea of publishing books and writing a column week after week to throw someone off the trail is just complete baloney. Anyone falling for this and not seeing how he went back and changed the claim and timeline way, way after the fact really is quite gullible. No wonder Rob has always refused to show any evidence. The evident clearly shows he is lying. ;)
Rob is a con man. Nothing more, nothing less. And like all good conmen, he can be pretty convincing. He can talk his way into and out of almost anything. Alan is now admitting that is what occurred with him. Rob talked a good story. But that's all it was....Talk. Whenever it came time for any kind of proof, Rob would never produce any, but always had answers as to why he couldn't. And that is still his M.O. today.
I'll give him that he is a good con artist and troll for anyone admiring that sort of thing. But that is all he is.
To use his own words: Wake Up people!
It's beyond sad. Your post forced Alan to HAVE to respond, and the only way he could was to make AndrewG do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffAlan, this is getting sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
Just admit it's you.
He reads this forum 24/7.
I wasn't aware of the peanuts involved in all this. It's really extraordinarily embarrassing. The machines, unfortunately, really did a number on them. Alan's moving to LV certainly could not have helped.
A couple responese: kew, ho-hum....you are, guess what?...WRONG AGAIN. The strategy in that GT article on WoV is not the strategy I played from 2000-2004 professionally.
Mdawg, I'll give as quick an explanation as possible because there's a lot to it.
I played my self-developed vp strategy for 4 years, 2000-2004, winning approx. $375k net. In Jan/Feb 2004 after four years of looking for something or anything after playing my weekly sessions, I discovered the double up play, where I netted $2.8million thru mid-2009. No one else knew about it until a drunk stumbled upon it in 2009. He and a friend were arrested, jailed, but were eventually freed when the US Govt closed the case. I kept silent all those years and played it almost weekly. I was a columnist at Gaming Today for 8 years at the time, and when I found the more lucrative play I chose to continue my story of playing my strategy forward, because I wasn't sure if double up was legal or not. I waited ten years to release what I had done. I told and apologized to Gaming Today, who really didn't care since it was in the past with a different owner.
Kew is jealous about all of it and copes by manufacturing lie after lie about me. His gay friend redietz, who solicited me for sports betting picks twice in the past, has chosen to join in on the lies and spins.
It has been all kinds of fun. But right now, if I don't hear from wizard in the next 2 days on how he wants my response over there, my wife, dog and I are departing for an RV trip Friday at 10pm.
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Originally Posted by kewlJ
Why do you say Rob is a conman? If he is, he is the WORST Conman ever. The gambling world is filled with Conmen, as is the real world. And they have one thing in common, they look to benefit by stealing your money.
What did I miss where Rob was screwing people out of their cash for his own financial gain? Only thing I see is some cheap books many years ago. I’m sure those profits from legally sold books changed his life. So much that he kept writing new books annually ever since.
Sounds like you are getting bitter about all the attention he is getting. And even worse he is getting discussion and perhaps an interview at the most important place in the world to you, WoV. As everyone knows how angry and bitter you are over your banning there, this has to be getting to you.
Being a Drama Queen must require you to be the center of the debate, so this isn’t good for you.
Hell ZenKing believes YOU are a Conman. It’s a easy phase to throw around.
I never understood the outrage regarding Singer and his stupid "system".
I've had a ton of complaint messages over the years from angry users who demanded I censor Singer's posts about his system, or ban him. They claimed it was for the public good, because he could potentially trick people into following his advice.
I pointed out that Rob's posts about his system got widespread scorn on this forum, and that anyone reading these threads would come away with the impression that he's full of crap. Furthermore, I never saw any real evidence that Rob was selling his system here or profiting in any way from coaching. I always thought the coaching crap was made up, or if it ever took place, it was many years ago to just 1 or 2 people.
In short, while Singer has been rude, inappropriate, and trollish on many occasions, one concern I never had was his "system" doing any real damage here. That seemed like a lot of stretching from people who didn't like him and wanted to find any excuse to get rid of him.
J, I edited my post because I scanned a few pages of your posts and realized that I had been wrong to say whatever I was originally saying (before edit). So I apologize for that.
And now I realize that I was also wrong to think you were talking about me, inconsistency wise. So I apologize for that too! :cool:
As far as Rob, what he's posting now seems consistent, but you're saying that it has not been consistent at all over the years? One thing I still don't understand is how one may teach taking advantage of a bug or why anyone would do that as it would bring heat onto yourself. Or maybe Rob is talking about teaching the strategy that worked for only a few years? which I am not clear yet on what exactly that strategy was or why it worked.
Rob, I believe the Wizard is waiting for you to contact him to give the green light for the interview. To do this you go to the main page of the WOV and click the Contact link at the very bottom, and then a form appears. Subject would be "Other."
Just as an aside: as far as statute of limitations, if it has anything to do with not disclosing income on a filed tax return, to the point where it is not just an error but willful failure to disclose, there is no statute of limitations for civil fraud in that respect. Not saying that this has any relevance here, but just tossing it out there.
As I said before, next Singer will tell us how he discovered card counting, hole carding, etc. Dunno why any of you bother. Let him keep suckering the clueless that go to casinos. True pros and AP's can see right through his ruse.
Alan should delete those 35 videos of him with Rob from YouTube.
When did we become such a nation of pussies that these social avengers come around making their demands because of the public good. Worrying about the potential of people getting tricked. When most of the time it's just about them being heard not about saving someone from them self.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
The Conman label never made sense to me. While I did show my strategies to hundreds over the years I never took payment, and the one gift I accepted was a $1000 bottle of Scotch from a guy who hit a $40k royal while I sat there advising him at The Resort at Summerlin.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Why do you say Rob is a conman? If he is, he is the WORST Conman ever. The gambling world is filled with Conmen, as is the real world. And they have one thing in common, they look to benefit by stealing your money.
What did I miss where Rob was screwing people out of their cash for his own financial gain? Only thing I see is some cheap books many years ago. I’m sure those profits from legally sold books changed his life. So much that he kept writing new books annually ever since.
Sounds like you are getting bitter about all the attention he is getting. And even worse he is getting discussion and perhaps an interview at the most important place in the world to you, WoV. As everyone knows how angry and bitter you are over your banning there, this has to be getting to you.
Being a Drama Queen must require you to be the center of the debate, so this isn’t good for you.
Hell ZenKing believes YOU are a Conman. It’s a easy phase to throw around.
The other curious part of kew and his attention-seeking is how he keeps harping about needing "proof". Other than the fact that I didn't keep any records and I never took pictures or videos because I'm intelligent enuf not to have, isn't it HIM who continually harps about how nobody should be asked to prove anything about their gambling claims and results on forums?
I see now Alan's added how he's "so unhappy" that he never "made me" supply proof of things before he reported anything. Well, that's pretty strange coming from the guy who sought me out and chased ME down for interviews and videos.
Finally, the only person who's ever been stupid enough to show tax returns on any forum as far as I know was arci, and it backfired on him because he talked the talk of a big winner, but when Alan got his returns it showed maybe a $3k profit. Imagine "Breaking News Alan" with YOUR tax returns in-hand!? And now Alan's lamenting I didn't provide them to him. I told him at our RR breakfast that I never COULD show him them because they showed far higher numbers than I wrote about in my column because I was really on the double up play instead of playing my strategy. That couldn't have been explained back then.
Everyone knew you couldn't stop posting here.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
Welcome Back... Muhahahahhahahahahaha!!
It's all misinformed BS anyway danny. I knew the vast majority of those I trained would only take away ideas on how they might want to change some of the way they play, and the privilege of having met and chatted with me :) instead of walking away with a deep understanding of a very complex strategy that they'd never use. Most of those I met with were visitors, and most of those I met with a second time were locals. But I did get thousands of phone calls from them, and they loved talking to me about the game. It was good and for the better good all the way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyjWhen did we become such a nation of pussies that these social avengers come around making their demands because of the public good. Worrying about the potential of people getting tricked. When most of the time it's just about them being heard not about saving someone from them self.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Questioning statements of this nature has gotten me called silly names many times, but here we go again....Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
What was the scam? Explain how you think his scam worked.
I just sent a follow-up message the wizard's way.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
I never taught the double up play--kept it totally to myself. That's how things survive.
I understand the tax liability issue. The one thing I always did during those tax years was file properly. We had a standard audit then but there was no findings.
Coach I suspect kew's coming apart at the seams at this point. I'd LOVE to hear about this "scam" also.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyQuestioning statements of this nature has gotten me called silly names many times, but here we go again....Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
What was the scam? Explain how you think his scam worked.
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Originally Posted by coach belly
I can't comment on what's appearing to you, but perhaps the meaning of the term One Flesh is not what you think it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
It seems to me that the passages you quoted were written in an effort to keep the men in that tribe from fighting over the women.
What a TARDfest. Dan should just nuke this idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
This is pathetic.
Anyone that buys Singer's double up story probably believes AndrewG is not MendleBread.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Singer Derangement SyndromeQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Most or all of this stuff is really irrelevant today, except to Alan, who would put together a story on his mother's rape if it would garner enuf attention.
Whether or not anyone believes my short-term play strategy won and whether or not people are capable of understanding all the pieces of evidence from my history that reasonably show a trail that leads to the fact that I did in fact exploit the double up play for 5.5 years, doesn't really matter. I didn't release the info because I craved getting believed. It was done to get a heavy weight off my shoulders after 10 long years and 15+ overall. And none of this will affect our retirement life in any way.
I get that Alan has made a very tough life for himself because of gambling, and he's a walking, talking Breaking News carnivora. This stuff is important to him because what else does he have? So it'll all just pass in due time.
People can vent their anger and hate and envy with lies about me, my strategy, and anything else that helps them get things off their chest, and I'll be happy to discuss it all with Shack if he wants to. But if not, we're on the road Friday night.
Maybe its time to show some proof for a change. That's what everyone is clamoring for.
Rob claimed to make 2.8 million on the double up bug. He should put up the proof.
I claimed never having a losing year in 24 years of gambling. I should put up the proof.
Redietz claims to having been a professional sports handicapper for 40 years. Where is his proof.
Kj says he makes an average of 80K per year playing blackjack. Show us the proof.
JBJB claims to beat blackjack by hole carding. Where's the proof?
SO LET'S ALL GET BUSY AND PUT UP THE PROOF. We'll show Singer, by golly. It's easy to put up proof, right guys. You all have it, right, the proof? KJ? Redietz? You guys got proof, right? Let's put the proof up just to show Singer how it's done. Who wants to go first?
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Originally Posted by The Boz
Fair questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
I think Rob's scam was mostly about self promotion. Building himself up to be something that he is not. He was obviously also promoting his goofy book nd I say goofy because they were completely lacking of any kind of mathematic principals that would lead to a player being a long-term winner. Any person promoting anything as a short-term winner, should just call there system "a different way to lose in the longrun".
Do I think Rob saw riches coming from his book sales that he was promoting? No I don't. Again I think it was mostly about building himself and his ego into something that he was not, a longterm winner. I think the single most honest thing Rob ever shared was the fact that he failed as an advantage player for a number of years. Kudos to Rob for that brief moment of honesty. But Rob so desperately wanted to be a winning player, to one up Dancer, that he created this BS story and claim. And now he has added to and amended the original claim over the years.
Let me share a story. On the blackjack forum I used to be on there was a player, not the first guy I called out with his "super duper" count, but another player, we will call "The Flash" after the comic book guy. So the Flash billed himself as a 20 year professional blackjack player. He really was not. He was technically a doctor but had a long career teaching at a university. When he retired early, like in his 50's, he took up blackjack card counting. Good for him. That is a perfect application of card counting today. So the point is that while he made some money in those 20 years, he never lived off that money. He had a wife still working and was supplementing retirement. And there is nothing wrong with that either.
Over the years on the forum, The Flash did reveal some disturbing issues that he had been a life-long -EV losing gambler, fancying horse-racing, craps, roulette and blackjack. Ok nothing wrong with that either. I don't begrudge anyone being a losing player, enjoying themselves with recreational gambling as long as they are able to do so responsibly. There were hints that the Flash was a little more than recreational -EV gambling, but that is not for me to say.
So this was all good. The Flasher had built himself up into something that he really wasn't. No big deal. So here is were I started to have a problem. He begins making claims that the only way to win was to use his system and "mentoring" (as he called it) new players. Starts out doing so face to face over the computer and eventually they always met up in person. He revealed that there was a small fee paid for his mentoring services saying it might be a meal or the annual membership fee at the blackjack forum. Just a token amount. Ok...whatever. Not that big of a concern.
So eventually, the story circulated through the blackjack community as these things do that he was involved in a robbery at the casino. Our good guy, mentorer THE Flash had met several of those new players that he was mentoring, gotten them to combine bankrolls so they could play higher stakes and guess what, the Flash was Robbed of that combined bankroll. People that know the situation claim that money went to paying craps losses. This story isn't speculation. It is known throughout the BJ community and the sources are actually people that knew The Flash pretty well.
Now do I think Rob Singer was ever up to something as dastardly as that? No I don't. I honestly think Singer is just about building himself up into something he is not, because he couldn't and cant handle the fact that he could not succeed as a true advantage player.
Now I am going to tell you another story that those in the blackjack circle know. I promise it wont be as long. the first guy that I called out on Norm's blackjack forum, T3, promoting his "super duper" blackjack count. It wasn't exactly clear to me what his motivation was either. yeah he talked about that he intended to write a book someday, but I don't think that was it. This guy was a low limit recreational player know for decades on several forums. All of the sudden at Norm's forum, he announced ahead of time that he was going fulltime and was going to be known as one of the blackjack greats. Next thing you know he is promoting this "super duper" count making mathematical impossible claims of 5% advantage from card counting. And he had all the phony math and formula's in the world to back it up. Every math guy in the community said what he was claiming couldn't be done, and he would just repeat and repeat his claims and phony math until he muddied the waters so much, you could see some of the newer players start to follow him.
THAT is much more what I think Singer is about. Almost immediately upon encountering Singer I saw the similarities. Singer just uses his attacks and name calling to deflect and muddy the waters, when he is called out by the math guys.
So THAT is what I believe the scam is coach belly, building himself up to be something that he isn't simply because he couldn'thandle the fact that he failed as a traditional AP, which he so desperately wanted. Now Boz, the conman comment, refers to that these guys are really good at this. They are smooth and can talk you into believing them That's what conmen do. THAT is their talent. And that is what I really believe Singer is. I don't think he is out to con players out of their money or anything like that, although who knows if there was "fee" he charged those that he claims to have taught his system (that he can't produce). I really think his "con" was and continues to be just to build himself up into something he is not for the attention and because he can't handle that he failed as a traditional AP.
I want to once again reference this quote by Alan Mendelson at WoV, because this reveals the whole 20 years of the Singer con. This continued for about ten years until his confession. That made me reexamine the big missing link: no proof. Always an explanation but never proof.[/QUOTE]